bad beat of the day? week? year? ever?

rivermunky

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceharrypumpSmall blind 150.00150.007135.00rickgsy06Big blind 300.00450.004760.00 Your hole cards88   Herbie536Fold    tillpollCall 300.00750.003825.00rivermunkyRaise 600.001350.004760.00EKCCall 600.001950.002245.00harrypumpFold    rickgsy06Call 300.002250.004460.00tillpollFold    Flop  448   rickgsy06Check    rivermunkyCheck    EKCAll-in 2245.004495.000.00rickgsy06Fold    rivermunkyCall 2245.006740.002515.00rivermunkyShow88   EKCShow77   Turn  7   River  7   EKCWinFour 7s6740.00 6740.00

Tikay10

I hardly think pocket 8's losing to pocket 7's is the "bad beat of the year" Mr Munky!

Yeah, he needed runner runner perfect perfect, but if we analyse it properly, it is just an overpair being beaten, & happens to all of us, every day. HOW it happened is of no consequence, & cannot aiud iour leaqrning. We got it in good, we lost, next case.

Come play some PLO or PLO8, we'll show you some proper bad beats. The players rarely moan though, it's the nature of the game.  

JingleMa

Slightly disingenuous reply from Tikay there.

How and what we take from this is what seperates the wheat from the chaff, I'm sure, but being outdrawn by a 0.1% chance is as bad as it gets in Texas NLH.

I understand what Tikay means by not aiding our learing, but Munky's posted this in BBV, not the clinic.

pokerdonk

Laughable response from Tikay.

Runner runner perfect perfect (can only win with 2 exact cards) is as bad an outdraw you can get in NLHE

Matt237

In Response to Re: bad beat of the day? week? year? ever?:

I hardly think pocket 8's losing to pocket 7's is the "bad beat of the year" Mr Munky! Yeah, he needed runner runner perfect perfect, but if we analyse it properly, it is just an overpair being beaten, & happens to all of us, every day. HOW it happened is of no consequence, & cannot aiud iour leaqrning. We got it in good, we lost, next case. Come play some PLO or PLO8, we'll show you some proper bad beats. The players rarely moan though, it's the nature of the game.  
Posted by Tikay10

Think if it goes in pre flop then fair enough but after the money goes in on the flop and we get outdrawn this is a proper proper bad beat.

mrsduck

My best (worst!) bad beat I dished out on someone was very similar

Heads up all-in
Me 2 2 (quack!!) vs A K
Cards came down A A K 2 2

TeddyBloat

best way to look at it is you lost a 50/50 flip.

if you had 77 on this run out, and he 88 it would have still gotten in on the flop.

this time you had 88, unlucky.

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incidently you will save yourself mucho anguish if you learn to view these coolers as flips.

AQ v AJ 12bb deep. its going in no matter who has the AQ. if the J spikes, ce la vie. you are 50/50 to have either hand anyway.

run KK into AA on the bubble, soooo unfair. but you were equally as  likely to have the AA as KK.

dont worry about what happens after the money goes in.

see coolers as flips

you will enjoy the game much more.

rivermunky

In Response to Re: bad beat of the day? week? year? ever?:

best way to look at it is you lost a 50/50 flip. if you had 77 on this run out, and he 88 it would have still gotten in on the flop. this time you had 88, unlucky. ---- incidently you will save yourself mucho anguish if you learn to view these coolers as flips. AQ v AJ 12bb deep. its going in no matter who has the AQ. if the J spikes, ce la vie. you are 50/50 to have either hand anyway. run KK into AA on the bubble, soooo unfair. but you were equally as  likely to have the AA as KK. dont worry about what happens after the money goes in. see coolers as flips you will enjoy the game much more.
Posted by TeddyBloat

I cant realy say this is a flip when after the money goes in he is 0.1% on flop and 2.7% on turn ! it didnt cause me anguish and i do enjoy the game teddy ! i fully undersatnd flips etc etc but this is clearly not one ! just had to share it been playing for a long time and its the 1st time its happened to me to obviously a rare thing and wanted to share it!

TeddyBloat

just see it as a flip.

if you had 77 you would have GII on this flop.

THIS time you had the 88 and was on the wrong side of the coin.

other times you will hold the AJ that beats AQ 12bb deep

or hold the AA that beats KK 20bb deep, noone did anything wrong, the action was inevitable and THIS time you happened to be dealt the losing hand of the cooler.

you post a LOT of bad beats. we all have them you will enjoy playing much more if you let them go and not fixate on them. 99% of bad beat stories are REALLY unintersting and involve completely standard actions.

your results will likely improve too if you focus on the quality of decisions rather than the luck of outcomes

good luck

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: bad beat of the day? week? year? ever?:

just see it as a flip. if you had 77 you would have GII on this flop. THIS time you had the 88 and was on the wrong side of the coin. other times you will hold the AJ that beats AQ 12bb deep or hold the AA that beats KK 20bb deep, noone did anything wrong, the action was inevitable and THIS time you happened to be dealt the losing hand of the cooler. you post a LOT of bad beats. we all have them you will enjoy playing much more if you let them go and not fixate on them. 99% of bad beat stories are REALLY unintersting and involve completely standard actions. your results will likely improve too if you focus on the quality of decisions rather than the luck of outcomes good luck
Posted by TeddyBloat

Hadn't noticed.

BorinLoner

If you had posted this in the clinic, you'd be told it's terrible not to shove pre-flop.

It might be a bad beat... but even thinking about that is going to disguise your error.

Lambert180

+1 to Teddy/BL/TK.

Luck comes in all shapes and sizes and isn't relative to 1 street. It's like when people call a 4bet with 47o against AA, get it in on K47r and then complain when a king turn makes them lose the hand like they were realy unlucky, ignoring the fact they were about 50to1 to outflop AA in the first place. As Teddy said, if it's a situation where all the money is going in regardless then you'll be on both ends of it. Getting KK v AA late in an MTT is pretty brutal... so is getting AA v KK, just not for you.

If it goes in pre like it should then you lose an 80/20. Fwiw, if you aint jamming I even prefer limping along to minraising here, I think minraising after the limp from these stacks is the worst possible play

JingleMa

I'm sorry Lambert, but you've made the same mistake as Teddy/BL/TK, by confusing this for the clinic.

Regardless of how someone 'should' analyse this hand, it's a stone cold bad beat (otherwise no hand in NLH could be classed as one) and this is the section of the forum where you can post them, which is what Munky has rightly done.

DOHHHHHHH

You know you must run golden when even the worst possible bad beat in nlhe isn't enough to get you some sympathy! haha. 

Looks like it's only earlyish in a micro mtt though, no damage done. You're going to bust before the money almost everytime anyway. Just laugh at how ridiculously stooooooopid tourny poker is :P

ul munky. 

rivermunky

you keep saying a flip teddy hoe can flopping the nut house and losing to runna runna quads be a flip ??

TeddyBloat

one person is dealt 77, one is dealt 88.

flop is 338.

money goes in.

you were just as likely to be mr 88 as mr 77.

dont worry about it.

treat it as a flip.

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coolers are flips. the money is going in no matter what.

the board runs out in favour of one player or another.

it doesnt matter which player you are, you are not outplaying nor being outplayed.

you will be dealt the winning hand in coolers as often as the losing one.

dont worry about it

treat it as a flip

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you've posted that many beats that even 'perfect perfect' is positively prosaic

let them go.

they shouldnt be interesting to you, let alone others.

TeddyBloat

as an aside and maybe a insight into the mindset of people who think beats are interesting.

i was victim to perferct perfect on the bubble of a sat on here [KK v 33, xxK33 runout]

the lad who put that beat on me was, less than a week later, whining that his KK was cracked.

whining.

coolers are flips. treat them that way and you will not get fixated on run-outs and dumb luck.

repeat: beats shouldnt be interesting to you, let alone others.

rivermunky

In Response to Re: bad beat of the day? week? year? ever?:

as an aside and maybe a insight into the mindset of people who think beats are interesting. i was victim to perferct perfect on the bubble of a sat on here [KK v 33, xxK33 runout] the lad who put that beat on me was, less than a week later, whining that his KK was cracked. whining. coolers are flips. treat them that way and you will not get fixated on run-outs and dumb luck. repeat: beats shouldnt be interesting to you, let alone others.
Posted by TeddyBloat

strange reply ! you keep saying coolers are flips !! a flip is pretty much 50/50 usualy 52/48 when someone is .1% to win i still do not understand how you keep saying it is a flip ! im not fixated on runouts and dumb luck !and as far as i know i find some of these hands intresting and so do many other players that use thees forums ! if you are not intrested in bad beats and variances what are you doing reading the posts in this thread in the first place ?

TeddyBloat

*whooooshhh*

Lambert180

Whoosh indeed.

Munky he is not saying its a flip, he is saying you should THINK of it like a flip.

AK v QQ is a flip, you win 50/50 give or take. So long term its not very plus or minus EV

likewise when you cooler someone or vice versa, its gonna happen in equal proportions both ways. You will GII with 55 v 99 just as often as 99 v 55 on a 59Khh flop so its effectively a flip because long-term you both just lose rake.

You don't win at poker from coolers (like this hand) cos they even out and you'll be in the wrong end just as often. Your winnings come from spots where there is room fir error and you make less mistakes than they do.

So in summary, coolers are like flips cos they are neutral EV essentially

seanallen

I'ts not exactly that much of a cooler. Sevens only really a bluff catcher if some one else shoves and beating next to nothing if someone check calls.

The fact he also had running fours for a chop means your outpipped for bad beat of all time though.