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How many bad beats to bad players can you take.

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  • cenachavcenachav Member Posts: 2,682
    edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take.:
    Interesting you should write this blog as it has been the same for me for many months. I win then i get a run of bad beats that are impossible in both number and likelihood in any confirguration of pure randomness. SO....i stumbled accross a group of statisticians at a university and IT specialists that are currently investigating the claims of certain on line poker sites as to their validity of claims to be totally random and fair. It seems the so called random genarator for SKY is anything but, there is a very real pattern and logarythm thathas a direct link to monies deposited to monies won and bad beats delivered. Also, there is a more than average suspicion of the software that selectively produces the RIVER CARD with a pause and deliberation that inevitably delivers the 1 in a million out to win the hand. Not only does it do this once it repeats this process in succession over a period of time until you have lost and re-deposited at least 40% again of what you originally won. Interestingly enough, the Aldernay Gaming license that SKY holds is several years old and their IT systems have not been interrogated for some time. Now the press and certain groups are becoming more interested in the data produced and its a case of watch the press etc. In the meantime i will continue to play and keep losing etc in order to maintain a live source of data at the time that the story goes to official press. In Response to How many bad beats to bad players can you take. :
    Posted by Si_Pies
    Welcome back Kadz.  Still spouting more bull then a Texas rodeo I see.  If you believe the sky RNG is not random then sue for fraud otherwise, to quote Chris Jerico, would you please shut the **** up
  • iatehorseiatehorse Member Posts: 50
    edited September 2014
    I suggest that what ever sw you use to monitor the algorithm is knackered so to speak si ..as I can see a flaw without looking at your data,
    1million to one outer just seems slightly wrong to me somehow,
    may I suggest that instead of loosing all your gold at the tables you use some of your money improving whatever sw you are using and show the evidence to Santa or the Easter bunny,
    Gl in your quest
    Iah
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take.:
    Interesting you should write this blog as it has been the same for me for many months. I win then i get a run of bad beats that are impossible in both number and likelihood in any confirguration of pure randomness. SO....i stumbled accross a group of statisticians at a university and IT specialists that are currently investigating the claims of certain on line poker sites as to their validity of claims to be totally random and fair. It seems the so called random genarator for SKY is anything but, there is a very real pattern and logarythm thathas a direct link to monies deposited to monies won and bad beats delivered. Also, there is a more than average suspicion of the software that selectively produces the RIVER CARD with a pause and deliberation that inevitably delivers the 1 in a million out to win the hand. Not only does it do this once it repeats this process in succession over a period of time until you have lost and re-deposited at least 40% again of what you originally won. Interestingly enough, the Aldernay Gaming license that SKY holds is several years old and their IT systems have not been interrogated for some time. Now the press and certain groups are becoming more interested in the data produced and its a case of watch the press etc. In the meantime i will continue to play and keep losing etc in order to maintain a live source of data at the time that the story goes to official press. In Response to How many bad beats to bad players can you take. :
    Posted by Si_Pies
    You're playing with too many decks of cards buddy. One deck will suffice.
  • K8LOUK8LOU Member Posts: 630
    edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take.:
    Steve, I've just had a thought. Why not watch the Ch 861 Show tonight? (repeated tomorrow). The Guest is Matt Bates. He gets the same cards as you & me, but he plays them better than we do. This is his record on 2014. 5 main event wins (the most on the site this year) 13 main event final tables this year. 4 mini wins, 9 final tables Won The Super Roller on 7 th Sep for £4,741 Won £500 on the Jackpot 5 th & 1 st in the main and mini events on 16 th Jan Just watch him for an hour, on the Show tonight, & you'll end up a better player.
    Posted by Tikay10

    Tikay I dont think using the biggest luckbox in the history of online poker is appropriate here! he can only teach you how to bink a 1 outer surely?? although he may have some run good juice he will sell to you @ a knockdown price???

  • somersomer Member Posts: 91
    edited September 2014
    The site operates a system which it claims is fair, random and unpredictable

    It would appear that this claim is based solely on an audit performed in 2009.
    Frankly, I would have thought it unlikely that the auditors of 2009 would be prepared to state 5 years on that the results are still valid - unless of course they offer a lifetime guarantee on a system they have no control over. 

    The site is licensed and regulated by AGCC so that should inspire some confidence. 
    However, it seems that there is no requirement made by the commission for the site to audit its RNG regularly - its all a little disingenuous.

  • cenachavcenachav Member Posts: 2,682
    edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take.:
    The site operates a system which it claims is fair, random and unpredictable It would appear that this claim is based solely on an audit performed in 2009. Frankly, I would have thought it unlikely that the auditors of 2009 would be prepared to state 5 years on that the results are still valid - unless of course they offer a lifetime guarantee on a system they have no control over.  The site is licensed and regulated by AGCC so that should inspire some confidence.  However, it seems that there is no requirement made by the commission for the site to audit its RNG regularly - its all a little disingenuous.
    Posted by somer
    If you think the RNG is dodgy then sue.  Otherwise I refer you to my previous post in this thread
  • GoetheGoethe Member Posts: 370
    edited September 2014
    Just remember, "bad" is the new good. "Bad" players are really good ones, very good ones in fact that are very good at making opponents think they're bad - or very bad. It all goes with the premise of bluff and double bluff - bad players bluffing to make everyone think they're good, good ones trying to get everyone into the mindset that they're bad, bad ones that are bad, good ones that are not so good, good ones that are actually very bad, and bad ones that aren't only bad but bad and lucky. Then there are the good ones who are also lucky, and by being so look bad.

    The list goes on. Just play . . . .
  • GoetheGoethe Member Posts: 370
    edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take.:
    . . .   The site is licensed and regulated by AGCC so that should inspire some confidence.
    Posted by somer
    It doesn't. Read the summary at the bottom of the page at the end of this link, which I think sums up the integrity of online casino licensing and what goes on (or doesn't) to ensure those who choose to partake receive a fair game.

    http://www.hundredpercentgambling.com/newsArticle.php?id=61

    This relates to a case that was discussed at length online at the end of last year, and relates to an instance where a well known household name, bookie's online casino, which is based and licensed in Gibralter, was found to be using gaffed software that didn't return the randomness of an equivalent live game. If you read through the reams of stuff that was published online relating to the incident, you might well end up feeling less than impressed with the behaviour and intervention (or lack of it) of the regulator. If so, you'd be in good company.

    Personally, I don't think any of these licenses are worth the (electronic) paper they're written on.




  • somersomer Member Posts: 91
    edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take.:
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take. : It doesn't. Read the summary at the bottom of the page at the end of this link, which I think sums up the integrity of online casino licensing and what goes on (or doesn't) to ensure those who choose to partake receive a fair game. http://www.hundredpercentgambling.com/newsArticle.php?id=61 This relates to a case that was discussed at length online at the end of last year, and relates to an instance where a well known household name, bookie's online casino, which is based and licensed in Gibralter, was found to be using gaffed software that didn't return the randomness of an equivalent live game. If you read through the reams of stuff that was published online relating to the incident, you might well end up feeling less than impressed with the behaviour and intervention (or lack of it) of the regulator. If so, you'd be in good company. Personally, I don't think any of these licenses are worth the (electronic) paper they're written on.
    Posted by Goethe
    My comment regarding AGCC was tongue in cheek. 
    I agree completely with your views on the so called licensing authorities.

  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take.:
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take. : My comment regarding AGCC was tongue in cheek.  I agree completely with your views on the so called licensing authorities.
    Posted by somer
    You are a special breed.

    So special.
  • GoetheGoethe Member Posts: 370
    edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take.:
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take. : My comment regarding AGCC was tongue in cheek.  I agree completely with your views on the so called licensing authorities.
    Posted by somer
    Sorry for being a bit thick - I didn't recognise the sarcasm between the lines . . . .
  • fliddyfishfliddyfish Member Posts: 153
    edited October 2014
    yes I agree you too good a player to experience bad beats ,what a shame that there is a downside to gambling
  • jillydjillyd Member Posts: 23
    edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take.:
    In Response to How many bad beats to bad players can you take. : Really sorry you have had a bad run Steve, though from your previous posts, it appears it is not the first time.   I'm not having sport with you, but how exactly can the site (Sky Poker) stop these happening? Post some hands, ideally 8 or 10. & I guarantee you that a whole shed load of help & advice will come your way. You could also read the "WAR ON TILT" thread on the Community, or the latest Blog on Sky Poker, which is essentially an abstract from "The Mental Game of Poker".  Do all those things, & I guarantee you will be a better player, & see these things differently. Hope your luck turns soon.   The reply by D7H may seem a little harsh, but I'll tell you one thing for certain. In poker, in the long-term, the better players ALWAYS win the most, & the lesser players always lose the most. Thats not luck.   Together, we can help you be a better player, & understand these bad beats. You even think they happen "EVERY TIME", but thats not true, is it? You mean "sometimes", "quite often", "too often". But nobody is going to take you seriously if you claim it is EVERY TIME. That's just selective memory. Come on, post some hands & we'll get started. Have a great weekend, too. We are doing something wrong if, when we log on to our favourite poker site each time, be it Sky Poker or any other site, if we are not as excited as a kid on Xmas Eve. Poker should be fun, but you don't seem to be enjoying it much right now. But you could enjoy it....
    Posted by Tikay10
    spoken like a true sky apologist did not expect anything else really
  • jillydjillyd Member Posts: 23
    edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take.:
    In Response to How many bad beats to bad players can you take. : Really sorry you have had a bad run Steve, though from your previous posts, it appears it is not the first time.   I'm not having sport with you, but how exactly can the site (Sky Poker) stop these happening? Post some hands, ideally 8 or 10. & I guarantee you that a whole shed load of help & advice will come your way. You could also read the "WAR ON TILT" thread on the Community, or the latest Blog on Sky Poker, which is essentially an abstract from "The Mental Game of Poker".  Do all those things, & I guarantee you will be a better player, & see these things differently. Hope your luck turns soon.   The reply by D7H may seem a little harsh, but I'll tell you one thing for certain. In poker, in the long-term, the better players ALWAYS win the most, & the lesser players always lose the most. Thats not luck.   Together, we can help you be a better player, & understand these bad beats. You even think they happen "EVERY TIME", but thats not true, is it? You mean "sometimes", "quite often", "too often". But nobody is going to take you seriously if you claim it is EVERY TIME. That's just selective memory. Come on, post some hands & we'll get started. Have a great weekend, too. We are doing something wrong if, when we log on to our favourite poker site each time, be it Sky Poker or any other site, if we are not as excited as a kid on Xmas Eve. Poker should be fun, but you don't seem to be enjoying it much right now. But you could enjoy it....
    Posted by Tikay10
    spoken like a true sky apologist did not expect anything else really
  • cenachavcenachav Member Posts: 2,682
    edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take.:
    In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take. : spoken like a true sky apologist did not expect anything else really
    Posted by jillyd
    Spoken like a person who has no clue about poker and variance.  Wouldn't expect any less from you given your previous posts.  Quick question for you.  If this site is rigged in favour of some people  as you suggest, why do the same players who crush here also crush on other sites and live?
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