poker players / communities tend to be very laisse faire with regards to integrity. rheems of stories of established names ripping each other and the community off with little consequence or payback. casinos offer games and their edge is the 'fee' you pay to play them. if you dont like the edge then dont play. what you cant do is cheat your way out of paying that fee. Posted by TeddyBloat
In Response to Re: Ivey in Court : +1 what gets me in so many of these comments is the concept that it is the player vs the casino. NO IT ISN´T!!!!!! it´s the player vs madame luck. stating the casino is playing is like claiming Sky´s RNG is looking for river cards. the casino isn´t playing the game - the punter is, and it´s his skill vs madame luck in a game of cards. the casino is just facilitating the game, and paying out when the player is on the right side of variance. and making a return to pay for the business in the long term (otherwise, surprise, surprise, no casinos will exist). when i play a poker mtt i know my reg fee is going to the casino for facilitating the game, but i´m not expecting them to pop up at the tables to make their money against us poker players. the casino only starts to be involved when someone starts to cheat, because you cannot defraud a pack of cards, but you can steal from a business, and that is what has happened here. i guess it wouldn´t be good business for a casino to sue a high-roller, but that is exactly what should have happened to Ivey. under cover of playing a game of cards, he did his best to steal money from the casino. disgusting. and if this was allowed to occur then higher rake is exactly what it would mean. the business will only exist if it can make it´s return on capital targets. the more it has to pay out on fraud, the more it will have to charge others. and if it can´t then it goes out of business. Posted by GELDY
cmon Casinos run on the whole negative expectation games, yes not cheating but same same
In Response to Re: Ivey in Court : Are you sure? Ivey is well known to be a compulsive craps gambler, some of his losses with the dice are phenomenal Posted by FCHD
I had heard of insane prop bets with his own circle - not running up big losses on house edge casino games.
Assuming you are right it doesn't change the fact that the floor manager is lucky that the lawyers and the judge saved the casino the money that it should have been their job to protect.
Maybe hindsight is a wonderful thing here - but too many issues were not spotted
Fair enough that they get their money back, he cheated. I see it as a bigger problem that the defected cards are getting used in a casino at all. Just makes me think "Have these cards used in games I've played? Are there other defected cards used in casinos?" I think they need better checks for defected cards, and this should not be acceptable in a casino. Posted by Clyde420
Hi Clyde,
The cards were not, per se, "defective", they were asymmetrical.
So, turned one way, some of them are slightly different in appearance.
Mr Ivey's accomplice specifically requested that the cards be presented a certain way round, rather than "random", so that they could spot the difference & wager accordingly.
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Is that like a blonde dog?
the instresting thing is - will all the casinos in the world ban him cause he cheated
I would say no, I bet the casino he got caught at wouldn't even ban him
Assuming you are right it doesn't change the fact that the floor manager is lucky that the lawyers and the judge saved the casino the money that it should have been their job to protect.
Maybe hindsight is a wonderful thing here - but too many issues were not spotted
The cards were not, per se, "defective", they were asymmetrical.
So, turned one way, some of them are slightly different in appearance.
Mr Ivey's accomplice specifically requested that the cards be presented a certain way round, rather than "random", so that they could spot the difference & wager accordingly.