Jordz is talking about shoving pre not postflop. It's partly down to how much people understand about ICM/DYMs but if you shove pre they should deffo fold JJ, pretty sure they should fold QQ, and AA/KK are about the only hands they 'should' call with... obviously most people don't play like you 'should' so gotta take that into consideration.
Fwiw, I make a ton of mistakes every single day, almost every single player in the world does, professional or not.
yeah, realised that after i posted but no worries just one more mistake to add to my collection, ha ha.
i appreciate your posts, truly as i do from everyone else
sorry if i came across as being a bit funny with you earlier, your post obviously pointed out things i dodn't know, also the bleedin obvious too, so sorry again for that.
i'm obviously still learning as i go, like most of us i guess & sometimes i can/do take things to heart, which i know i shouldn't, but i can't change the way i am made, or how i'm feeling at any particular time, so apologies to you Paul & everyone else for that.
i'm loving the £5 game challenge right now & if i get any more interesting hands to post, i will.
cheers again for everyone's help...it really is very much appreciated.
In Response to Re: played badly...but is this an insta call? : surely it gets through far more often in a dym?? i dont play 1000's of dyms a month but i think adding a 1/4 of a stack to yours by making a shove that gets through 90% of the time is great value especially with the ace blocker, getting above average stacks is important in dyms as you want to be able to put pressure on people and you dont wanna get to the point where you are having to get shoves through to stay in, id much rather take a slight risk with sub 20bbs than i would take big risks when i get down to sub 10,... with 2.5/3k chips its so much easier to play than it is with under starting stack. Posted by jordz16
Just dont see the point in taking any risk whatsoever at this current blind level given stack sizes (5 handed, 4 players w/ 1.6-1.9k start of hand). Each to their own obviously but think tight is definitely right in these spots. It will get through here way more than in an MTT but again i'd rather minimise the risk in a DYM spot. Obviously all depends if you have reads or not, some people are not going to understand ICM.
Hi Dev I think a shove pre is ok 80% to 90% everyone folds. But i think most of the time i just bin it, in a dym i feel it doesnt play too great 4 handed. I would rather be calling with a PP trying to set mine. Playing A10d any Ace on the board i think we would get into trouble, one of the other 3 may have a better kicker. Also we have loads of chips behind if we fold there will be a much better spot. Posted by stuarty117
You would prefer to peel a small/mid pair here? Id say thats a pretty big leak in ur game if ur set mining with 18bbs esp in a dym when chip presevation is crucial, a10s flops pretty good and we can check ship on some good flops and make better hands fold, 6 months ago i would of said ship pre but I think a peel is ok here for reasons stated above, flop lots of good draws etc. Deffo check calling flop and re avaluating on the turn, lead on flop just opens u up to getting pwned.
In Response to Re: played badly...but is this an insta call? : You would prefer to peel a small/mid pair here? Id say thats a pretty big leak in ur game if ur set mining with 18bbs esp in a dym when chip presevation is crucial, a10s flops pretty good and we can check ship on some good flops and make better hands fold, 6 months ago i would of said ship pre but I think a peel is ok here for reasons stated above, flop lots of good draws etc. Deffo check calling flop and re avaluating on the turn, lead on flop just opens u up to getting pwned. Posted by K8LOU
Hi K8LOU
Yes i said i would rather play a PP, but didnt actually say i would play it. I would fold this hand pre and fold most PPs at this stage of a DYM. A10 really we are hoping to hit a straight or a flush.
Other stages are better to play PPs.
In my experience if you shove at this stage with 4 in the pot someone will call. e.g. Someone with 66 for example and that means its a flip. I think its too early to flip.
Dev says the player was very loose so i think he would have called a shove. In my experience its a fold pre.
In Response to Re: played badly...but is this an insta call? : Hi K8LOU Yes i said i would rather play a PP, but didnt actually say i would play it. I would fold this hand pre and fold most PPs at this stage of a DYM. A10 really we are hoping to hit a straight or a flush. Other stages are better to play PPs. In my experience if you shove at this stage with 4 in the pot someone will call. e.g. Someone with 66 for example and that means its a flip. I think its too early to flip. Dev says the player was very loose so i think he would have called a shove. In my experience its a fold pre. Posted by stuarty117
Hey mate, I have just read my post and it seems like I have come across as being really rude to you, this was not my intention mate, was just stating my opinion.
In Response to Re: played badly...but is this an insta call? : Hey mate, I have just read my post and it seems like I have come across as being really rude to you, this was not my intention mate, was just stating my opinion. Posted by K8LOU
No not all all mate i love talking about dyms if it makes me better.
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Fwiw, I make a ton of mistakes every single day, almost every single player in the world does, professional or not.