In Response to Re: FAO Sky - Satellite Breaks : Maybe i should put a toilet in the living room in my house then i can also move the sink and kettle into the living room so i can make a cup of tea in there aswell. When the company whos doing it asks me why im putting the toilet and sink in the living room il let them know so i can play satelites on sky poker im sure they will understand. Posted by bearlyther
I wouldnt go that far, i just use an empter water bottle to pee in while i play sats, just do that??
In Response to Re: FAO Sky - Satellite Breaks : I wouldnt go that far, i just use an empter water bottle to pee in while i play sats, just do that?? Posted by alex1229
How would i wash my hands tho? Thats your justification for no breaks use the bottle instead really?
In Response to Re: FAO Sky - Satellite Breaks : How would i wash my hands tho? Thats your justification for no breaks use the bottle instead really? Posted by bearlyther
Apart from everything the lads have already said Tony, its majorly tilting not to have a break. As an old friend promise me you'll ask them to sort it out.
I don't want this to sound like a big moan thread, it's not meant to be, it's just a polite request but I don't see why people are so against it.
I mean, lets just get rid of all breaks in all MTTs then? Cos we can all pop off for 4-5 hands and go the toilet, get a drink etc. Would everyone be happy with that? and there is no difference really, satellites are still multi-table tournaments and are still found in the same section of the lobby (because that's what they are). Surely it shouldn't be a case of justifying why we should have breaks in them, it should be justifying why we don't have them.
Fwiw, it has been justified in some cases, like when a satellite starts at 7:30pm for a comp that starts at 8pm, obviously the more delays/breaks they have, the later the winners will get entered into the target event, that makes perfect sense, but it's the minority of satellites where this is the case... I know this cos I often play them for the money and if the tourney kicked off before the satellite ended I wouldn't be able to.
I am more than happy to go and sit out for 4-5 hands in ya average MTT where I might be sat 50xBB deep at a full table, and do this occasionally, but satellites at the sharp end are nearly always vv shallow and naturally there aren't many people left so they're usually short handed. Sitting out for 4-5 hands 50xBB 6max? no big deal. Sitting out for 4-5 hands when you're 3 or 4 handed and stacks are between 5 and 10xBB has a HUGE impact, it literally can be the difference between getting a seat or not very often. If it didn't have a huge impact, I'd happily leave the table and sit out for a few mins, but it does, so I don't.
I don't want this to sound like a big moan thread, it's not meant to be, it's just a polite request but I don't see why people are so against it. I mean, lets just get rid of all breaks in all MTTs then? Cos we can all pop off for 4-5 hands and go the toilet, get a drink etc. Would everyone be happy with that? and there is no difference really, satellites are still multi-table tournaments and are still found in the same section of the lobby (because that's what they are). Surely it shouldn't be a case of justifying why we should have breaks in them, it should be justifying why we don't have them . Fwiw, it has been justified in some cases, like when a satellite starts at 7:30pm for a comp that starts at 8pm, obviously the more delays/breaks they have, the later the winners will get entered into the target event, that makes perfect sense, but it's the minority of satellites where this is the case... I know this cos I often play them for the money and if the tourney kicked off before the satellite ended I wouldn't be able to. I am more than happy to go and sit out for 4-5 hands in ya average MTT where I might be sat 50xBB deep at a full table, and do this occasionally, but satellites at the sharp end are nearly always vv shallow and naturally there aren't many people left so they're usually short handed. Sitting out for 4-5 hands 50xBB 6max? no big deal. Sitting out for 4-5 hands when you're 3 or 4 handed and stacks are between 5 and 10xBB has a HUGE impact, it literally can be the difference between getting a seat or not very often. If it didn't have a huge impact, I'd happily leave the table and sit out for a few mins, but it does, so I don't. Posted by Lambert180
This! satellites are nulti table tournaments what would people be saying if sky got rid of the breaks for all mtts on the site. It doesnt make sense to have breaks in mtts but yet not in satelites. Also agree with this i dont think theres a need to justify why we should have breaks as its very obvious and is easier for everyone. The question is justifying why there is no breaks which i dont understand.
I had a look at the satelite schedule on sunday for the super roller. Out of the 16 sats throughout the day only 1 of them included a break. Seems strange to include a break for 1 but yet not for the rest?
Given the amount of UKOPS sats that will be going on it would be good to get this sorted. At the moment I cant see the logic behind whether sats have breaks or not. We are hopefully about to get an influx of additional players onto the site for UKOPS so it will be interesting to get their take on sats as I can see a lot of players being put off that there not being breaks.
As mentioned, I sent the thread Upstairs & asked for some comment & feedback.
The reply, in essence, is that, at present, there are no plans to change the existing arrangements.
It is understood that, for a minority, it is a little inconvenient, but there are far more players, overall, who "one-table" them, & who have no wish or need for a sync break, or mind just missing a few hands if they so desire. It's quite hard to satisfy both ends of the spectrum here. The "one-table" players are, by far, the vast majority.
Many of the Sats have a fast structure, too, often less than a 5 min clock, & they don;t have much duration to them.
It's especially frustrating to many, judging by the volume of complaints received, to have a Sync Break at 55 past, when the Sat only starts at 40 minutes past, or later.
As with all matters, of course, they will keep it under review.
The issue is there doesn't appear to be any rules for whether or not a sat has breaks, if there are can you set them out here please. The setting up of tournaments seems to be a very manual process which has led to problems in the past (however I will note this has improved a lot since previous UKOPS, eg the "3 max" incident). Given the number of sats it has always been an issue with wording etc in lobby descriptions and it doesn't seem to be clear whether or not sats have breaks. Can it either be clear in the lobby for each sat whether or not there is a break or can you show us the rules/logic here. At the moment there is often sats played that have no breaks and people have no idea if it shouldn't have had breaks or if a mistake has been made setting up the tournament. If it is decided that there are no breaks for ALL sats then that's fine, people can vote with their feet but at the moment there is just a whole lot of confusion.
The issue is there doesn't appear to be any rules for whether or not a sat has breaks, if there are can you set them out here please. The setting up of tournaments seems to be a very manual process which has led to problems in the past (however I will note this has improved a lot since previous UKOPS, eg the "3 max" incident). Given the number of sats it has always been an issue with wording etc in lobby descriptions and it doesn't seem to be clear whether or not sats have breaks. Can it either be clear in the lobby for each sat whether or not there is a break or can you show us the rules/logic here. At the moment there is often sats played that have no breaks and people have no idea if it shouldn't have had breaks or if a mistake has been made setting up the tournament. If it is decided that there are no breaks for ALL sats then that's fine, people can vote with their feet but at the moment there is just a whole lot of confusion. Best Regards The Christmas Elf! Posted by MattBates
Thanks Big Man. Ish.
I actually think that is a very fair point, personally, I think "consistency" is good, too.
I'll ask the question you make so eloquently & let you know.
Apologies for the delayed reply. As mentioned, I sent the thread Upstairs & asked for some comment & feedback. The reply, in essence, is that, at present, there are no plans to change the existing arrangements. It is understood that, for a minority, it is a little inconvenient, but there are far more players, overall, who "one-table" them, & who have no wish or need for a sync break, or mind just missing a few hands if they so desire. It's quite hard to satisfy both ends of the spectrum here. The "one-table" players are, by far, the vast majority. Many of the Sats have a fast structure, too, often less than a 5 min clock, & they don;t have much duration to them. It's especially frustrating to many, judging by the volume of complaints received, to have a Sync Break at 55 past, when the Sat only starts at 40 minutes past, or later. As with all matters, of course, they will keep it under review. Posted by Tikay10
Was thinking about this and am really surprised by this statement. Obviously you guys have the raw data to back this up so it must be right but I thought more of the players in sats would multi table, even if it was just 2 or 3 tabling. I guess one could argue that having breaks in sats would get them used to the format of the target tournament which will have the 5 minute break.
As a kind of semi related point has any thought been made to having SnG sats as these could be set up with no breaks, would not have overlay and could be starting on a regular basis and be in the SnG lobby then the MTT lobby could include MTT style sats which would have a format similar to all the rest of the MTT schedule and have the 5minute break.
The thing is if we dont have breaks in these sats then we might aswell cancel breaks entirely for all mtts. I think the breaks should either be for everything or not have breaks at all. Also agree with matt that it would be good to know why some sats have breaks and others do not and it doesnt seem clear which do and do not have breaks.
I think i would struggle to look in the lobby of a satelite then go to find a player and find that person only 1 tabling i dont think i could find many to be honest.
In Response to Re: FAO Sky - Satellite Breaks : Was thinking about this and am really surprised by this statement. Obviously you guys have the raw data to back this up so it must be right but I thought more of the players in sats would multi table, even if it was just 2 or 3 tabling. I guess one could argue that having breaks in sats would get them used to the format of the target tournament which will have the 5 minute break. As a kind of semi related point has any thought been made to having SnG sats as these could be set up with no breaks, would not have overlay and could be starting on a regular basis and be in the SnG lobby then the MTT lobby could include MTT style sats which would have a format similar to all the rest of the MTT schedule and have the 5minute break. Posted by MattBates
In Response to Re: FAO Sky - Satellite Breaks : Was thinking about this and am really surprised by this statement. Obviously you guys have the raw data to back this up so it must be right but I thought more of the players in sats would multi table, even if it was just 2 or 3 tabling. I guess one could argue that having breaks in sats would get them used to the format of the target tournament which will have the 5 minute break. As a kind of semi related point has any thought been made to having SnG sats as these could be set up with no breaks, would not have overlay and could be starting on a regular basis and be in the SnG lobby then the MTT lobby could include MTT style sats which would have a format similar to all the rest of the MTT schedule and have the 5minute break. Posted by MattBates
I think this is the main point that a few of us are trying to get across here with the consistency thing. The last 2 nights i played the satelite for the ukops main. This satelite starts at 9.45pm each night and has breaks. The 2 lobbys shown in the picture here is the lobbys for both nights of this. So after this tournaments starts 10 minutes it has a break but the others do not. Like matt said people have the choice to play sats or not but it would be good just to know why the majority of sats dont include a break but yet all of the 9.45pm sats include a break. It just feels a bit random which 1s do include a break and which 1s dont.
I think this is the main point that a few of us are trying to get across here with the consistency thing. The last 2 nights i played the satelite for the ukops main. This satelite starts at 9.45pm each night and has breaks. The 2 lobbys shown in the picture here is the lobbys for both nights of this. So after this tournaments starts 10 minutes it has a break but the others do not. Like matt said people have the choice to play sats or not but it would be good just to know why the majority of sats dont include a break but yet all of the 9.45pm sats include a break. It just feels a bit random which 1s do include a break and which 1s dont. Posted by bearlyther
I honestly don't know why that is, there may (or may not) be good reason, & I'll try again to find out.
It's my personal view that there should be consistency, but more than that, each & every Satellite really should say, in the Lobby, whether it has a break or not.
I'm not sure it is a matter which would exercise me greatly one way or another in the greater scheme of things, but I do think MTT's & Satellites should say on the tin what they do.
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I mean, lets just get rid of all breaks in all MTTs then? Cos we can all pop off for 4-5 hands and go the toilet, get a drink etc. Would everyone be happy with that? and there is no difference really, satellites are still multi-table tournaments and are still found in the same section of the lobby (because that's what they are). Surely it shouldn't be a case of justifying why we should have breaks in them, it should be justifying why we don't have them.
Fwiw, it has been justified in some cases, like when a satellite starts at 7:30pm for a comp that starts at 8pm, obviously the more delays/breaks they have, the later the winners will get entered into the target event, that makes perfect sense, but it's the minority of satellites where this is the case... I know this cos I often play them for the money and if the tourney kicked off before the satellite ended I wouldn't be able to.
I am more than happy to go and sit out for 4-5 hands in ya average MTT where I might be sat 50xBB deep at a full table, and do this occasionally, but satellites at the sharp end are nearly always vv shallow and naturally there aren't many people left so they're usually short handed. Sitting out for 4-5 hands 50xBB 6max? no big deal. Sitting out for 4-5 hands when you're 3 or 4 handed and stacks are between 5 and 10xBB has a HUGE impact, it literally can be the difference between getting a seat or not very often. If it didn't have a huge impact, I'd happily leave the table and sit out for a few mins, but it does, so I don't.
I sent this upstairs, it was discussed, & I'll reply accordingly shortly, either this afternoon or some time tomorrow, all being well.
Apologies for the delayed reply.
As mentioned, I sent the thread Upstairs & asked for some comment & feedback.
The reply, in essence, is that, at present, there are no plans to change the existing arrangements.
It is understood that, for a minority, it is a little inconvenient, but there are far more players, overall, who "one-table" them, & who have no wish or need for a sync break, or mind just missing a few hands if they so desire. It's quite hard to satisfy both ends of the spectrum here. The "one-table" players are, by far, the vast majority.
Many of the Sats have a fast structure, too, often less than a 5 min clock, & they don;t have much duration to them.
It's especially frustrating to many, judging by the volume of complaints received, to have a Sync Break at 55 past, when the Sat only starts at 40 minutes past, or later.
As with all matters, of course, they will keep it under review.
Best Regards
The Christmas Elf!
I actually think that is a very fair point, personally, I think "consistency" is good, too.
I'll ask the question you make so eloquently & let you know.
As a kind of semi related point has any thought been made to having SnG sats as these could be set up with no breaks, would not have overlay and could be starting on a regular basis and be in the SnG lobby then the MTT lobby could include MTT style sats which would have a format similar to all the rest of the MTT schedule and have the 5minute break.
It's my personal view that there should be consistency, but more than that, each & every Satellite really should say, in the Lobby, whether it has a break or not.
I'm not sure it is a matter which would exercise me greatly one way or another in the greater scheme of things, but I do think MTT's & Satellites should say on the tin what they do.
Have a good Xmas, while I think of it.