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cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!!

duriedurie Member Posts: 30
edited December 2014 in Brags, Beats and Variance

a got £3.33 in account am short of 30p for£3.60 statalite so a go in to cash game 4p/8p .frist hand..a join next hand 8p..guy raise to 24p..a call.flop comes a hit ..we end up both all in after river..we chop it.....now the pot £6.94..a get £3.21 back and the guy gets £3.20 back and skypoker gets 53p......so lose 12p.......so can some one from skypoker please tell this is fair......hand number is 848168902.....

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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited December 2014
    Yes, it's called rake, just be happy you got a penny more than the other guy.
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  • duriedurie Member Posts: 30
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!!:
    Yes, it's called rake, just be happy you got a penny more than the other guy.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    eh its called robbing....will be taking this futher ..theres not a court in the land that would agree with this trust me.....
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  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,458
    edited December 2014

    https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby/getting-started/understanding-poker-rake?dcmp=p_started_rake
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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited December 2014
    from pokerdictionary

    http://www.pokerdictionary.net/poker-info/online-poker-faq-answers-to-questions-about-playing-poker-online/

    12. How do poker sites make money?

    Poker sites make money primarily through rake and tournament fees. Online poker rooms do not bet against players so there is no fear that the poker room is doing something illegal for their own benefit. They do charge players a small fee to use the poker server. Such fees include rake collected from the pot after each ring game hand. Also, they collect a small portion of a tournament entry fee. The rake distribution is different from one poker site to the next. Each poker room has its own rake schedule to determine how much rake is removed from the pot. Some sites will not collect a rake if everyone folds before the flop takes place. Also, most sites reduce the rake when games are short-handed (i.e. 2 players playing head-to-head). Tournament entry fees typically cap at 10%.

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  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,458
    edited December 2014
    How was Ladbrokes?

    hate the new software update

    posted at 9/10/2013 3:33 PM BST on SkyPoker.com
    		 
    Posts: 20
    First: 23/7/2013
    Last: 11/12/2014

    don't like  the new software..hope yous don't bring this to the tournaments..a left williamhill for the same reasons..a don't play cash games anymore...al be leaving this site..probs go back to Ladbrokes.....a no quiet a few peeps on hear don't like it....so sky get your act together or your going to lose a few players.....

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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited December 2014
    Durie, I hope you take your 'case' to court, and win satisfactory damages for the loss you incurred playing cash poker.

    Can't imagine the amount of sleepless nights you're gonna have over the AWOL 12p.

    Shame on you Sky.
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  • ShaunyTShaunyT Member Posts: 619
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!!:
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!! : eh its called robbing....will be taking this futher ..theres not a court in the land that would agree with this trust me.....
    Posted by durie
    You've never heard of rake? It's a fundamental aspect of poker. Either live or online. You agreed to sky poker terms and conditions when you signed up, so good luck in court.


    P.s. if you find a poker site without rake pm me won't you :)
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited December 2014
    This has to be a level. How does a guy who's been to at least 2 SPT's (ie not a total noob) not know about rake in cash games?
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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited December 2014
    he's heard that to win the next UKOPS "player of the festival prize" of a UKPC entry you might need to be a forum multi-poster
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  • duriedurie Member Posts: 30
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!!:
    from pokerdictionary http://www.pokerdictionary.net/poker-info/online-poker-faq-answers-to-questions-about-playing-poker-online/ 12. How do poker sites make money? Poker sites make money primarily through rake and tournament fees. Online poker rooms do not bet against players so there is no fear that the poker room is doing something illegal for their own benefit. They do charge players a small fee to use the poker server. Such fees include rake collected from the pot after each ring game hand. Also, they collect a small portion of a tournament entry fee. The rake distribution is different from one poker site to the next. Each poker room has its own rake schedule to determine how much rake is removed from the pot. Some sites will not collect a rake if everyone folds before the flop takes place. Also, most sites reduce the rake when games are short-handed (i.e. 2 players playing head-to-head). Tournament entry fees typically cap at 10%.
    Posted by GELDY
     a don't need to told what rake back is m8......am saying this is WRONG and if we all just sit back and say oh these are skypoker rules let all agree with it then so be it....well am soz but this is totally wrong that skypoker get 51p in winnings and the two players lose......like a say will be looking in to this.. rules are there to be challaged. and changed...the wee man can some thimes win you you....not meaning to diss you guys that have posted about rakeback......
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!!:
    he's heard that to win the poker of the festival prize you might need to be a forum multi-poster
    Posted by GELDY
    Ah it's falling into place now, all makes sense.

    Awaits the 'can't believe Sky charge 10% to play a tournament' thread.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!!:
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!! :  a don't need to told what rake back is m8......am saying this is WRONG and if we all just sit back and say oh these are skypoker rules let all agree with it then so be it....well am soz but this is totally wrong that skypoker get 51p in winnings and the two players lose......like a say will be looking in to this.. rules are there to be challaged. and changed...the wee man can some thimes win you you....not meaning to diss you guys that have posted about rakeback......
    Posted by durie
    What has rakeback got to do with anything?

    Please please pleasssssssssse let me know how you get on with the legal action.












    Please.
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  • duriedurie Member Posts: 30
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!!:
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!! : Ah it's falling into place now, all makes sense. Awaits the 'can't believe Sky charge 10% to play a tournament' thread.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    whos talking about tournaments ya clown....don't be a smart as_....
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  • alex1229alex1229 Member Posts: 680
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!!:
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!! :  a don't need to told what rake back is m8......am saying this is WRONG and if we all just sit back and say oh these are skypoker rules let all agree with it then so be it....well am soz but this is totally wrong that skypoker get 51p in winnings and the two players lose......like a say will be looking in to this.. rules are there to be challaged. and changed...the wee man can some thimes win you you....not meaning to diss you guys that have posted about rakeback......
    Posted by durie
    You shouldnt have gone all in!!! then you wouldnt have been raked so much - If you just folded you wouldnt have lost!!!
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited December 2014

    Threatening to take Sky to court over 12p......God I love the forum sometimes.

    Just need someone to start a thread complaining their rewards widget is 35p out and its a full house.

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  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,458
    edited December 2014
    I tried suing the HOT o METER once :-(
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!!:
    I tried suing the HOT o METER once :-(
    Posted by VespaPX
    Assume you got burnt?
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  • duriedurie Member Posts: 30
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!!:
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!! : You shouldnt have gone all in!!! then you wouldnt have been raked so much - If you just folded you wouldnt have lost!!!
    Posted by alex1229

    your missing the point m8.......two players win a hand and lose...and sky wins..
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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!!:
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!! : your missing the point m8.......two players win a hand and lose...and sky wins..
    Posted by durie
    but sky always wins because of rake 
    you just don't notice so much when you win a pot because you are still in profit. When you split a pot you will always lose unless a third player puts enough into it and loses.
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  • duriedurie Member Posts: 30
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!!:
    In Response to Re: cash game..how can a win a hand... but still lose???...this is not right.!!! : but sky always wins because of rake  you just don't notice so much when you win a pot because you are still in profit. When you split a pot you will always lose unless a third player puts enough into it and loses.
    Posted by GELDY
    a no that gledy...am ex shop steward every job a worked and will fight for injustices and it don't matter is its 12p or 12k..its not right and its about time some one challaged it......so a don't want any more smart as posts watch this post and see what happens...might take for ever but al not stop trying to change things for the better..
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