I think there's an arguement for pretty much any option, apart from probably folding imo. I'd be happy to mr/fold, limp or jam depending on the villian. Fwiw, stacks are really shallow deep in the MBI so you can go a bit lower than 'normal' before panicking... 12bb around the bubble is usually a pretty solid stack in that.
Think my default if I didn't know the BB would be to limp/fold to a jam (and limp/call if they do something silly like minraise).
I'd be more inclined to just jam against players like Bates, Bearly, Melt etc, cos the jam is still +EV and if we limp or minraise those are the kind of players that are more likely to not pay too much attention to their cards and just punish us by jamming cos they know we have to have a super tight calling range.
Minraise/fold I'd reserve for the people that are just gonna play vv face up and and vv nitty cos theyll fold probably 90% of the time, and when they don't fold we'll know it's gg our hand ever being good.
Chin up Lee. You had that nice live score so just deposit some of those winnings and go again. You have hardly lost anything if you factor in that win.
In the meantime I'd take a day or two off. It's only money and you have a great trip to Vegas coming up. You got me on facey if you want to chat.
In Response to Re: RLT's diary: tilted off ym roll like a complete moron! chasing loses like a stupid moron : Iv done it 100's of times and never learned, I have however learnt the art of withdrawing - You will get it back its not a major issue. The mental block is the hardest because of the amount of time spent gaining to buy ins Posted by Itsover4u
Having a selection of different poker site accounts sometimes helps me. Rather than spread my time equally amoungst them all i'll dedicate myself to one perticular site and use the rest every now and then. I had a really awful run on sky cash back in april meaning I've dedicated most my game towards poker stars and just did the odd sat or DYMs alongside the freerolls. Now things are looking ugly on poker stars meaning it's time I switched back onto sky because I know from my freerolling that i've put hat bad period to one side.
I echo the sentiments of what people have said. We've all done it and felt stupid. Sometime last year i was tilted with poker and punted my £500 roll on roulette and was so angry with myself. All you can do is learn from it and not do it again.
I feel like the best way at least for me is to start fresh in your head from £0 , put a small deposit down and challenge yourself to try and grind it back up and don't think about the money you lost. In any case its only a small % of the vegas package you've won, just pretend you payed what you lost for a good value for money vegas holiday :-)
I found the mental game of poker can be useful with helping tilt related issues. Other than that GL on the tables and enjoy vegas
Going back to that KTs hand for a bit of maths on the situation.
If they only have a really tight calling range (say top 7% of hands) then you gain on average 1.39bb every time you shove (compared with folding) which seems a significant amount. If they call a bit wider - say 20% of hands, then we gain 0.86bb on average.
However, limping this hand probably has a decent expectation post-flop. When we limp, lets assume villain shoves 20% and we have to fold. So we lose 1bb 20% of the time (0.2bb) When we limp and see a flop, lets assume we win ~ 1bb on average (seems reasonable) - that means when we limp and he checks back we will win 0.8bb on avg. Making a total profit of 0.6bb on avg when we limp. (this is ofc just a complete guestimate, but it's certainly going to be a plausible amount)
Which makes limping 0.26bb worse than jamming against someone that has a decently wide calling range. I think that amount is small enough that we prefer limping due to ICM considerations against most villains. If they are calling really tight though such that the difference between limping and checking is 0.8bb then I don't think we should pass up that much chip +ev and should prefer jamming. Alternatively, if they are shoving really wide over limps but still calling a normal amount then jamming again is preferable.
m-r (or some other amount raise) and folding I dislike against almost all villains. They would have to be shoving a range very tight and similar to their calling range for this to be the best option. A 7.1% calling range for reference is AQo+, KQo+, 88+, ATs+, KTs+ - I think most villains with this calling range will end up jamming some suited Ax down to A8 at least, non-suited up to AT, QJs and 55+ facing a m-r. Which I think doesn't make it the best option, but not got time to do any maths on that right now.
Summary: You played it fine, but limping is probably better against a lot of villains.
To those talking about the KT hand in the tourney, he's on the FT bubble not the pay bubble (5 paid) so that would probably lead me to shove vs anyone who I know is decent and won't call light (thinking about their own ICM) and limp vs those I think would call a shove light, and minraise vs a tight player
About tilting off your roll, it happens, eventually you'll get past it i'm sure, the bigger your bankroll is the less taxing a bad run is so I would suggest when you do build it back up not to withdraw until you're well over-rolled!
To those talking about the KT hand in the tourney, he's on the FT bubble not the pay bubble (5 paid) so that would probably lead me to shove vs anyone who I know is decent and won't call light (thinking about their own ICM) and limp vs those I think would call a shove light, and minraise vs a tight player About tilting off your roll, it happens, eventually you'll get past it i'm sure, the bigger your bankroll is the less taxing a bad run is so I would suggest when you do build it back up not to withdraw until you're well over-rolled! Posted by chiggypig
nah chiggy 6 got paid it was both the Ft and the pay bubble
What happened? I can't see any posts/results about what went wrong. Sorry if it's poor form to ask. My curiosity always beats me. Good Luck wi the recovery. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
previous page has it on, basically donked off 900 ish playing high stakes HU
morning session over, and a very good one, but i need to grind away like mental later if im going to remake prio and get that monthly bonus which would be a massive help to the br.
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Minraise/fold I'd reserve for the people that are just gonna play vv face up and and vv nitty cos theyll fold probably 90% of the time, and when they don't fold we'll know it's gg our hand ever being good.
A day off to reset, consider if there is anything you can take from it, put it completely out of your mind and come again stronger than ever!
Going back to that KTs hand for a bit of maths on the situation.
If they only have a really tight calling range (say top 7% of hands) then you gain on average 1.39bb every time you shove (compared with folding) which seems a significant amount. If they call a bit wider - say 20% of hands, then we gain 0.86bb on average.
However, limping this hand probably has a decent expectation post-flop. When we limp, lets assume villain shoves 20% and we have to fold. So we lose 1bb 20% of the time (0.2bb) When we limp and see a flop, lets assume we win ~ 1bb on average (seems reasonable) - that means when we limp and he checks back we will win 0.8bb on avg. Making a total profit of 0.6bb on avg when we limp. (this is ofc just a complete guestimate, but it's certainly going to be a plausible amount)
Which makes limping 0.26bb worse than jamming against someone that has a decently wide calling range. I think that amount is small enough that we prefer limping due to ICM considerations against most villains. If they are calling really tight though such that the difference between limping and checking is 0.8bb then I don't think we should pass up that much chip +ev and should prefer jamming. Alternatively, if they are shoving really wide over limps but still calling a normal amount then jamming again is preferable.
m-r (or some other amount raise) and folding I dislike against almost all villains. They would have to be shoving a range very tight and similar to their calling range for this to be the best option. A 7.1% calling range for reference is AQo+, KQo+, 88+, ATs+, KTs+ - I think most villains with this calling range will end up jamming some suited Ax down to A8 at least, non-suited up to AT, QJs and 55+ facing a m-r. Which I think doesn't make it the best option, but not got time to do any maths on that right now.
Summary: You played it fine, but limping is probably better against a lot of villains.