In Response to Re: Is this a call or fold with the 88? : I would guess 66 is probably right at the bottom of the calling range....maybe 55, maybe... But I don't play DYM's much so what do I know? Posted by hhyftrftdr
running numbers and trying to solve situations helps me in my games so any chance i get think about poker i take it, so posting here benefits me as much as anything else.
take any chance you get to improve edge dev, even if it comes from a non-specialist. i may suck at dyms but range v range esp PUSH/FOLD ranges and how they match up is my bread and butter. the numbers really do matter imo.
general DYM strat of course im not going to be able to offer advice on, but if you ever want help running numbers when facing shoves, or deciding when to shove let me know. you can get a lot of edge in these situations as most recs will have terrible ranges that you can exploit if you know how.
mtt peeps will have lots of experience of bubble play and 4 handed table dynamics, esp from sattellites. harry will be well used to balancing up payouts v equity when deciding to call a shove - indeed he intuitively arrived at the correct ICM border lines that i had to use a powerful ICM-tool to calculate.
these clinics are great for having people with different specialities share ideas / concepts. sure some advice wont be transferable, but myabe be a little more open-minded and less defensive and you can increase your own ROI
no worries dev, running numbers and trying to solve situations helps me in my games so any chance i get think about poker i take it, so posting here benefits me as much as anything else. take any chance you get to improve edge dev, even if it comes from a non-specialist. i may suck at dyms but range v range esp PUSH/FOLD ranges and how they match up is my bread and butter. the numbers really do matter imo. general DYM strat of course im not going to be able to offer advice on, but if you ever want help running numbers when facing shoves, or deciding when to shove let me know. you can get a lot of edge in these situations as most recs will have terrible ranges that you can exploit if you know how. mtt peeps will have lots of experience of bubble play and 4 handed table dynamics, esp from sattellites. harry will be well used to balancing up payouts v equity when deciding to call a shove - indeed he intuitively arrived at the correct ICM border lines that i had to use a powerful ICM-tool to calculate. these clinics are great for having people with different specialities share ideas / concepts. sure some advice wont be transferable, but myabe be a little more open-minded and less defensive and you can increase your own ROI gl, squire Posted by TeddyBloat
Sigh, not as often as I'd like!
Dev, just don't get so defensive. Of course you should share your views, but there is no need to be so smug about everything. Keep your mind open and you might even win a few more quid, as Teddy says.
But you have to realise that when you say something as inaccurate as 88 and 22 play the same, people are rightly gonna pick you up on it.
thanks Teddy for your accurate & interesting statistics, I'm sure it took you time & effort to do, & it will be of help to many.
I only know the basics ie; a pair v 2 overs is a race, each card is worth 2%, KK gets you in to trouble, etc etc
maybe as/if I move up the levels it might become necessary for me to get deeper in to this part of the game, & many thanks for the offer of helping me there, I might take you up on that one day.
As to my roi, I have no idea what that figure might be, I'm sure ss have a number somewhere, but I've no real interest in that anyway.
I know how much I have won to within £100 & am happy with that number for the levels I play/have played.
it's around 3.5k right now for anyone interested...despite what ss might say.
of course I want to improve my roi & I'm sure I will in time.
I find coming to the poker clinic & now the sit & go strategy sections useful from time to time when I do make the effort,
but most of my points of view are contested/challenged/dismissed/ridiculed/etc/etc, not sure of the one correct word
I then get drawn in t discussions about my play & feel I have to justify my actions to you all, which then sometimes gets out of hand, as here I think in places.
I don't want to come here to do that, I was simply trying to give waller 02 my take on the situation.
it doesn't matter if I am right or wrong, it is only my point of view.
yes the 88 v 22 thing I can see is the main focus here & as said I apologise if I have mislead anyone or given wrong information.
I thought that 88 & 22 played the same v 2 overs, which they don't as I've now learnt but imo in this situation they are close enough in percentage terms to make the call if as I said we are putting opponent on 2 overs, which again imo I think they would/could be holding enough of the time to make the call.
anyway, what has been said can't be changed now so let's all move on.
HHY,
I don't want to keep on going over old ground but you & I are obviously going to disagree just for the fun to disagree I think lol
Yes I do get defensive at times when I am being attacked, which you seem to enjoy doing at every chance you get, whether it be my tactics of booking the win, how many tables I choose to play, or how I play a hand.
I can't remember the last good thing you ever said to me... oh, you haven't.
If I come across as smug as you put it, I apologise for that, it's not done intentionally.
I just think that as a winning player I have earnt the right to give my opinion, even if it isn't always 100% accurate, or to your liking.
Maybe if you put in a little more thought as to how you reply to my posts in future & visa versa, we might be able to tolerate each others views a little better, & make life hear a little bit more pleasurable, for everyone.
anyway, I'm done here,
watching the darts tonight where Taylor hopefully grinds out the win & makes me another £115 to add to my b/r.
OK, let's bring this to a close... thanks Teddy for your accurate & interesting statistics, I'm sure it took you time & effort to do, & it will be of help to many. I only know the basics ie; a pair v 2 overs is a race, each card is worth 2%, KK gets you in to trouble, etc etc maybe as/if I move up the levels it might become necessary for me to get deeper in to this part of the game, & many thanks for the offer of helping me there, I might take you up on that one day. As to my roi, I have no idea what that figure might be, I'm sure ss have a number somewhere, but I've no real interest in that anyway. I know how much I have won to within £100 & am happy with that number for the levels I play/have played. it's around 3.5k right now for anyone interested...despite what ss might say. of course I want to improve my roi & I'm sure I will in time. I find coming to the poker clinic & now the sit & go strategy sections useful from time to time when I do make the effort, but most of my points of view are contested/challenged/dismissed/ridiculed/etc/etc, not sure of the one correct word I then get drawn in t discussions about my play & feel I have to justify my actions to you all, which then sometimes gets out of hand, as here I think in places. I don't want to come here to do that, I was simply trying to give waller 02 my take on the situation. it doesn't matter if I am right or wrong, it is only my point of view. yes the 88 v 22 thing I can see is the main focus here & as said I apologise if I have mislead anyone or given wrong information. I thought that 88 & 22 played the same v 2 overs, which they don't as I've now learnt but imo in this situation they are close enough in percentage terms to make the call if as I said we are putting opponent on 2 overs, which again imo I think they would/could be holding enough of the time to make the call. anyway, what has been said can't be changed now so let's all move on. HHY, I don't want to keep on going over old ground but you & I are obviously going to disagree just for the fun to disagree I think lol Yes I do get defensive at times when I am being attacked, which you seem to enjoy doing at every chance you get, whether it be my tactics of booking the win, how many tables I choose to play, or how I play a hand. I can't remember the last good thing you ever said to me... oh, you haven't. If I come across as smug as you put it, I apologise for that, it's not done intentionally. I just think that as a winning player I have earnt the right to give my opinion, even if it isn't always 100% accurate, or to your liking. Maybe if you put in a little more thought as to how you reply to my posts in future & visa versa, we might be able to tolerate each others views a little better, & make life hear a little bit more pleasurable, for everyone. anyway, I'm done here, watching the darts tonight where Taylor hopefully grinds out the win & makes me another £115 to add to my b/r. dev. Posted by devonfish5
Fair play dev...........although I fancy Anderson tonight, should be a great game though!
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running numbers and trying to solve situations helps me in my games so any chance i get think about poker i take it, so posting here benefits me as much as anything else.
take any chance you get to improve edge dev, even if it comes from a non-specialist. i may suck at dyms but range v range esp PUSH/FOLD ranges and how they match up is my bread and butter. the numbers really do matter imo.
general DYM strat of course im not going to be able to offer advice on, but if you ever want help running numbers when facing shoves, or deciding when to shove let me know. you can get a lot of edge in these situations as most recs will have terrible ranges that you can exploit if you know how.
mtt peeps will have lots of experience of bubble play and 4 handed table dynamics, esp from sattellites. harry will be well used to balancing up payouts v equity when deciding to call a shove - indeed he intuitively arrived at the correct ICM border lines that i had to use a powerful ICM-tool to calculate.
these clinics are great for having people with different specialities share ideas / concepts. sure some advice wont be transferable, but myabe be a little more open-minded and less defensive and you can increase your own ROI
gl, squire
Dev, just don't get so defensive. Of course you should share your views, but there is no need to be so smug about everything. Keep your mind open and you might even win a few more quid, as Teddy says.
But you have to realise that when you say something as inaccurate as 88 and 22 play the same, people are rightly gonna pick you up on it.