yes you can. If everyone is away except you then you steal all the chips and win. If there are 3 players on your table away, then you should be able to at least take one stack and therefore double up through stealing. how can you complain that they sit out??? I just dont get it. How do you play against really tight players? Think of players sitting out as super tight players lol.
Posted by BlackFish3
what do i know about poker.....ive only been playing 8 years.....
Winning an mtt is survival and steady progression. I don't think I've ever seen an early or mid-section CL win a tournament. The winner invariably come from the middle ground. So what Dan says is true. 6 seat stts are different and if I make a 4k stack I become cautious and try to preserve. Some sit out and that is their prerogative.
At the end of the day it's each to their own. Their money their choice.
someone could play an hour a year for 8 years and say they have been playing poker for 8 years... ive probably played more hands than you making me more experienced... anyway if you wont listen to me because im young listen to dan whos a little bit older and one of the 'big guns'. If you was that experienced you would know that away players is a good thing.
Hogan im affraid your completely wrong on this thread. Playing 8years or not, you should know that experienced mtt specialists only play small ball poker! Of course you can win a tournament by just stealing blinds!! The main thing is, you cant be knocked out a tournament through stealing blinds, and as long as you are in the tournament, you can win it! MTTs are all about preserving your life, not winning huge pots. Give me 5 away players any day of the week as opposed to 5 maniac loosey gooseys! I hope you take this post as just my opinion, and not personally. Each to their own in poker, thats why its so good. Posted by dantb10
Hogan im affraid your completely wrong on this thread. Playing 8years or not, you should know that experienced mtt specialists only play small ball poker! Of course you can win a tournament by just stealing blinds!! The main thing is, you cant be knocked out a tournament through stealing blinds, and as long as you are in the tournament, you can win it! MTTs are all about preserving your life, not winning huge pots. Give me 5 away players any day of the week as opposed to 5 maniac loosey gooseys! I hope you take this post as just my opinion, and not personally. Each to their own in poker, thats why its so good. Posted by dantb10
you wouldnt say that if you were playing a scary format!
someone could play an hour a year for 8 years and say they have been playing poker for 8 years... ive probably played more hands than you making me more experienced... anyway if you wont listen to me because im young listen to dan whos a little bit older and one of the 'big guns'. If you was that experienced you would know that away players is a good thing. Posted by BlackFish3
ive probably played all different formats, averaging out over the last 8 years at something like at least 3 hrs a day.....you're a student , do the maths! and as far as anyone elses opinions on mtt play i would rather have the opportunity to play a pot any day of the week than i would exist on blind stealing till i get moved. but your opinions are your welcome additions to a post.
Firstly as others have said there is nothing wrong with any player sitting out at any stage of a tournament, that is their perogative.
I do disagree that players on Sky are able to sit back in, if they are quick enough to after seeing their hole cards, as I don't beleive that this happens on others sites nor in live play (I stand to be correct tho on this).
However I can also understand Hogan's view especially with regards to MTT's, it can be darn annoying to be sat at a table of players who are all away.
As an example, you are playing a deep stack slow blind structure tourny, you have three times the average stack in chips, and the other 5 players at your table are away. By the time those players are beginning to be knocked out, your stack is now a quarter of the average stack count. In addition those active players who are then moved to your table have vastly increased chip stacks in comparison to yourself, thus you find yourself moving from what was a comfortable position, to be put under pressure , where you may then be forced to go all in with a non premium hand, through no fault of your own.
You've not been blinded away as such, you've not had a run in with a bigger hand, nor been outdrawn in a larger pot, but you find yourself a massive short stack in comparision to the remainder of the players , only due to the fact of the inactivity at your table.
It happened to me, and it was frustrating. I got a top 20 cash place, and thus I was happy enough, as I am only an average player, however if anyone asked me what I learnt from that game, then I would say nothing. If there had been action at my table I may have gone out a lot earlier and not made any cash, but I would have a history of hands from which I could learn from.
However I also have to say that this situation is a rare thing on Sky, especially if its a fee paying tourny, and I would say the problem in relation to MTT's is mainly restricted to freerolls, where people have registered and then just forgot to play. It is also usually only a problem early on in a tourny, so whilst on occasions it can be very annoying for someone who classes himself as only an average player, who wants to play poker and not just rely upon shoving shortstacked (which has occured outside of the players control) in the hope of being lucky and moving up the money ladder, I can at least be thankful in saying its not a situation that has happened often enough for me to get on my high horse.
As fro STT/DYM's if peopel want to sit out then that is up to then, I just don't want them to be able to sit back in and play the current hand if they wish to, I'd prefer that once cards are dealt any players sat out, cannot become active until that hand has finished.
There you go, Ive been offline for a while due to Christmas, so I need to make up for my absence with extra long posts
Firstly as others have said there is nothing wrong with any player sitting out at any stage of a tournament, that is their perogative. I do disagree that players on Sky are able to sit back in, if they are quick enough to after seeing their hole cards, as I don't beleive that this happens on others sites nor in live play (I stand to be correct tho on this). However I can also understand Hogan's view especially with regards to MTT's, it can be darn annoying to be sat at a table of players who are all away. As an example, you are playing a deep stack slow blind structure tourny, you have three times the average stack in chips, and the other 5 players at your table are away. By the time those players are beginning to be knocked out, your stack is now a quarter of the average stack count. In addition those active players who are then moved to your table have vastly increased chip stacks in comparison to yourself, thus you find yourself moving from what was a comfortable position, to be put under pressure , where you may then be forced to go all in with a non premium hand, through no fault of your own. You've not been blinded away as such, you've not had a run in with a bigger hand, nor been outdrawn in a larger pot, but you find yourself a massive short stack in comparision to the remainder of the players , only due to the fact of the inactivity at your table. It happened to me, and it was frustrating. I got a top 20 cash place, and thus I was happy enough, as I am only an average player, however if anyone asked me what I learnt from that game, then I would say nothing. If there had been action at my table I may have gone out a lot earlier and not made any cash, but I would have a history of hands from which I could learn from. However I also have to say that this situation is a rare thing on Sky, especially if its a fee paying tourny, and I would say the problem in relation to MTT's is mainly restricted to freerolls, where people have registered and then just forgot to play. It is also usually only a problem early on in a tourny, so whilst on occasions it can be very annoying for someone who classes himself as only an average player, who wants to play poker and not just rely upon shoving shortstacked (which has occured outside of the players control) in the hope of being lucky and moving up the money ladder, I can at least be thankful in saying its not a situation that has happened often enough for me to get on my high horse. As fro STT/DYM's if peopel want to sit out then that is up to then, I just don't want them to be able to sit back in and play the current hand if they wish to, I'd prefer that once cards are dealt any players sat out, cannot become active until that hand has finished. There you go, Ive been offline for a while due to Christmas, so I need to make up for my absence with extra long posts Aski (col) Posted by Aski
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Playing 8years or not, you should know that experienced mtt specialists only play small ball poker!
Of course you can win a tournament by just stealing blinds!!
The main thing is, you cant be knocked out a tournament through stealing blinds, and as long as you are in the tournament, you can win it!
MTTs are all about preserving your life, not winning huge pots.
Give me 5 away players any day of the week as opposed to 5 maniac loosey gooseys!
I hope you take this post as just my opinion, and not personally.
Each to their own in poker, thats why its so good.
If you was that experienced you would know that away players is a good thing.
and as far as anyone elses opinions on mtt play i would rather have the opportunity to play a pot any day of the week than i would exist on blind stealing till i get moved. but your opinions are your welcome additions to a post.
I do disagree that players on Sky are able to sit back in, if they are quick enough to after seeing their hole cards, as I don't beleive that this happens on others sites nor in live play (I stand to be correct tho on this).
However I can also understand Hogan's view especially with regards to MTT's, it can be darn annoying to be sat at a table of players who are all away.
As an example, you are playing a deep stack slow blind structure tourny, you have three times the average stack in chips, and the other 5 players at your table are away. By the time those players are beginning to be knocked out, your stack is now a quarter of the average stack count. In addition those active players who are then moved to your table have vastly increased chip stacks in comparison to yourself, thus you find yourself moving from what was a comfortable position, to be put under pressure , where you may then be forced to go all in with a non premium hand, through no fault of your own.
You've not been blinded away as such, you've not had a run in with a bigger hand, nor been outdrawn in a larger pot, but you find yourself a massive short stack in comparision to the remainder of the players , only due to the fact of the inactivity at your table.
It happened to me, and it was frustrating. I got a top 20 cash place, and thus I was happy enough, as I am only an average player, however if anyone asked me what I learnt from that game, then I would say nothing. If there had been action at my table I may have gone out a lot earlier and not made any cash, but I would have a history of hands from which I could learn from.
However I also have to say that this situation is a rare thing on Sky, especially if its a fee paying tourny, and I would say the problem in relation to MTT's is mainly restricted to freerolls, where people have registered and then just forgot to play. It is also usually only a problem early on in a tourny, so whilst on occasions it can be very annoying for someone who classes himself as only an average player, who wants to play poker and not just rely upon shoving shortstacked (which has occured outside of the players control) in the hope of being lucky and moving up the money ladder, I can at least be thankful in saying its not a situation that has happened often enough for me to get on my high horse.
As fro STT/DYM's if peopel want to sit out then that is up to then, I just don't want them to be able to sit back in and play the current hand if they wish to, I'd prefer that once cards are dealt any players sat out, cannot become active until that hand has finished.
There you go, Ive been offline for a while due to Christmas, so I need to make up for my absence with extra long posts
Aski (col)
welcome back aski
Im impressed you only disagree with one sentence though, I find I normally disagree with most things I write
Aski (col)
Ps was it the sentence whereby I said I was an average player, was I building myself up too much by chance