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The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do??

ShaunyTShaunyT Member Posts: 619
edited March 2015 in The Poker Clinic
Literally the first hand, I get AQoff UTG. I 3x raise to 60, guy in the cut off ships it, everybody else folds. 

What is the correct play? Pros are if you win the hand you get a bounty (about a third of the BI) and basically start the tournament with a double stack so the potential to take further bounties early on. Conns are, most of the time you will be flipping or dominated, occasionally it might be AJ or worse.

I've seen people make this move in low stakes BHs a fair few times and wondered what the right play is.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited March 2015
    If it's an £11BH or lower I'd fold AQo, probably call something like TT+ and AK
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  • ShaunyTShaunyT Member Posts: 619
    edited March 2015
    Was the 2.5k bh £11 bi, last night. Normally I would fold I think, I called last night, villain showed 10s, Q on the flop, A on the river. Happy days. It does give you a lot of leverage having double the stack. I played it quite aggressive and got another bounty a few hands later. I have noticed some players seem to open shove very early, I don't know if it's a " double or quits" attitude. If it is a genuine tactic I don't know how profitable it would be, although even at £11 bi people call off 50bb shoves with kj, a10 etc. 
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,494
    edited March 2015
    In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do??:
    Was the 2.5k bh £11 bi, last night. Normally I would fold I think, I called last night, villain showed 10s, Q on the flop, A on the river. Happy days. It does give you a lot of leverage having double the stack. I played it quite aggressive and got another bounty a few hands later. I have noticed some players seem to open shove very early, I don't know if it's a " double or quits" attitude. If it is a genuine tactic I don't know how profitable it would be, although even at £11 bi people call off 50bb shoves with kj, a10 etc. 
    Posted by ShaunyT
    I would just fold.

    We only have 60 chips invested.

    It's amazing the amount of times I have seen people do this with QQ plus.

    Most often we are totally dominated here.

    Very good argument for also folding AK.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited March 2015
    Snap AKs and QQ+, think about JJ....probably fold AQ. Though vs a complete random, and if you're in a punting mood, might sometimes call with as low as AJs, as you do see some funky shoves early doors.
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  • ShaunyTShaunyT Member Posts: 619
    edited March 2015
    Geez. What a bunch of nits lol



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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited March 2015
    lol shows how bad an MTT player I am, I'd snap call this in a low stakes BH and expect to see all sorts of rags.

    If they've levelled me into a call and they have KK/AA then VWP them.

    Perhaps I've just been sat against big gamblers too frequently in early stages of MTTs... its skewed my thinking by the amount of times I've seen middling suited connectors/any 2 face cards/any ace in spots like these... or even just shoving every hand in a sort of 'double or quits' start to a game.
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  • mrsduckmrsduck Member Posts: 1,901
    edited March 2015
    What terrible grammar Shauny!
    :)
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  • ShaunyTShaunyT Member Posts: 619
    edited March 2015
    +1 shakin.

    Sorry Mrs duck. My excuse is posting from my phone at work, coupled with the fact I'm busy lol.

    Must try harder......
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  • mrsduckmrsduck Member Posts: 1,901
    edited March 2015
    In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do??:
    +1 shakin. Sorry Mrs duck. My excuse is posting from my phone at work, coupled with the fact I'm busy lol. Must try harder......
    Posted by ShaunyT
    No worries!
    Ps ~ Fold :)
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  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,611
    edited March 2015
    In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do??:
    What terrible grammar Shauny! :)
    Posted by mrsduck
    That is my job, Ducky ;)

    PS - I'm happy with a fold or a call really. AQ is a horrid hand at the best of times...
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  • CraigSG1CraigSG1 Member Posts: 1,826
    edited March 2015
    I'm with shakinaces. Not sure it's a 'snap' call but I agree we are ahead or crushing a lot more than the opposite. Call or fold fine, arguments for both. What it isn't is a mistake to do either. 
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  • mrsduckmrsduck Member Posts: 1,901
    edited March 2015
    In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do??:
    In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do?? : That is my job, Ducky ;) PS - I'm happy with a fold or a call really. AQ is a horrid hand at the best of times...
    Posted by Slipwater
    I think you'll find its actually my job!
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  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,611
    edited March 2015
    In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do??:
    In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do?? : I think you'll find its actually my job!
    Posted by mrsduck
    In that case, I reckon you were hired on a bet ;)
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  • mrsduckmrsduck Member Posts: 1,901
    edited March 2015
    In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do??:
    In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do?? : In that case, I reckon you were hired on a bet ;)
    Posted by Slipwater
    Whaddya mean?

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  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,611
    edited March 2015
    In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do??:
    In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do?? : Whaddya mean?
    Posted by mrsduck
    *What do you mean... you mean.

    :)
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  • Matt237Matt237 Member Posts: 1,785
    edited March 2015
    Its pretty much always a pair, Would be folding.
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  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    edited March 2015

    Where possible we want to be avoiding flips in MTTs and winning uncontested chips, here we are taking one first hand.

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  • BenchmarkBenchmark Member Posts: 297
    edited March 2015
    If you ship all-in on the very first hand, you either have the cards, too much money or don't have the time.
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  • natry20111natry20111 Member Posts: 120
    edited March 2015
    easy fold
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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited March 2015
    So if the fella who shoves first hand then repeats the move for the first 2, 3, 4+ hands of a game (as happens from time to time in games I play)... how many hands do we give it before we consider calling with less than QQ+?

    And when (if?) we do consider calling, how wide do we open our calling range?
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