8pm, 9pm and 10.30pm - Bounty Hunter Chip Stack and Late Registration Changes

SkyPeter

Hi Everybody,

Starting tonight onwards we shall be amending the starting stacks and late registration periods of our £10,000 Bounty Hunter 8pm Main Events that run on Monday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday in addition to the daily 9.00pm £2,500/£3,000 Bounty Hunters and 10.30pm Speed Bounty Hunters.

£10,000 8pm Bounty Hunter Main Events - Monday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday

Starting stack has been boosted from 2,000 to 5,000 chips with late registration now continuing for 2 more level now until  the end of level 8.

£2,500/£3,000 Daily Bounty Hunters at 9.00pm

Starting stack has been raised to 5,000 chips with late registration now until the end of level 8.

£1,500 Daily Speed Bounty Hunter at 10.30pm

Starting stack has been increased from 4,000 chips to 5,000 chips.

These changes can be found in the lobby now.

Sky Peter.

MattBates

Is there a structure change or just more chips?

SkyPeter

Hi,

The majority of changes are with the chip stacks and late registration times, the original post has been edited to reflect this.

The structures have been amended to suit the new chip stack for the 8pm and 9pm bounty hunters and should keep a fairly similar experience while providing room for more play at earlier levels.

Cheers.

DOHHHHHHH

Can you add 2/4, 3/6, 4/8, 5/10, 6/12, and 8/16 levels before 10/20 in the first hour to give people more play. 

And what about the turbo main, I think 30k starting stack and an optional 300k add on is only fair with the blinds going up so fast

MattBates

Peter

I could ask this question for all the tournaments with the changes but for now. What time did the main finish for Monday/Thursday/Friday/Saturday last week and how to you envisage this changing with the changes to the starting stacks? Whilst more chips proves more popular with recreational players, being up till the early hours will put lots of recreational players off.

Matt

aussie09

i think that even a 40% or so increase in starting stack will not extend the game by very much really.  those games will last less than 10% longer.

however, if they added levels i would be quite concerned.  i would favour keeping the number the same or even have fewer levels.




 

Lambert180

In Response to Re: 8pm, 9pm and 10.30pm - Bounty Hunter Chip Stack and Late Registration Changes:

i think that even a 40% or so increase in starting stack will not extend the game by very much really.  those games will last less than 10% longer. however, if they added levels i would be quite concerned.  i would favour keeping the number the same or even have fewer levels.  
Posted by aussie09

No offence but this is a pretty terrible idea imo.

I think the main event structures are ok (or at least I've got used to them) but if anything needs changing it's to give more play in the later stages when it matters. All this change is gonna do is  mean everyone is really deep for a few more levels in the early stages so they can fold for a bit longer, I suspect it's gonna make vv little difference to stack depths at the business end of the comp. Reducing the number of blind levels would only make this problem even worse, the thing that'll increase play towards the end is adding in smaller blind jumps towards the end, so instead of jumping from 200/400 to 300/600, then 400/800 (I don't know if this is the case atm, just giving an example) it goes something like 200/400, 250/500, 300/600, 350/700, 400/800 etc.

As I say, I think they're ok as they are and this change with make little to no difference but if one change is made to blind levels it was to be more/smaller incremetal blind increases rather than less.

If someone has an old and new BH main structure to hand, it'd be handy cos I'd like to do a comparison of how many BBs the starting stack (and estimate of avg stack) will equate to at various stages of the comp.

aussie09

In Response to Re: 8pm, 9pm and 10.30pm - Bounty Hunter Chip Stack and Late Registration Changes:

In Response to Re: 8pm, 9pm and 10.30pm - Bounty Hunter Chip Stack and Late Registration Changes : No offence but this is a pretty terrible idea imo. I think the main event structures are ok (or at least I've got used to them) but if anything needs changing it's to give more play in the later stages when it matters. All this change is gonna do is  mean everyone is really deep for a few more levels in the early stages so they can fold for a bit longer, I suspect it's gonna make vv little difference to stack depths at the business end of the comp. Reducing the number of blind levels would only make this problem even worse, the thing that'll increase play towards the end is adding in smaller blind jumps towards the end, so instead of jumping from 200/400 to 300/600, then 400/800 (I don't know if this is the case atm, just giving an example) it goes something like 200/400, 250/500, 300/600, 350/700, 400/800 etc. As I say, I think they're ok as they are and this change with make little to no difference but if one change is made to blind levels it was to be more/smaller incremetal blind increases rather than less. If someone has an old and new BH main structure to hand, it'd be handy cos I'd like to do a comparison of how many BBs the starting stack (and estimate of avg stack) will equate to at various stages of the comp.
Posted by Lambert180

no offence, but my point was not to reduce the number of levels.  i favour keeping the number of levels the same as opposed to increasing the number which was favoured by dohhhhhhh.

my point was that the increase starting stacks makes little difference to tournament length.

matt's issue was forewarning about increasing the length of a game and playing into the early hours. 

i am happy with everything paul.

Lambert180

Dohhh was taking the **** tbf lol. Exaggerating this crazy idea that everyone seems to want to be 100000xBB deep in level1 but doesn't seem to care that the average stack for the last our will be like 15xBB.

Fair enough, I was only picking up on the idea of potentially reducing the number of levels which imo would be very bad, if anything we do need to increase the number of levels/make the blind jumps smaller BUT (unlike Dohhh's joke) it shouldn't be at the early stages when it makes little to no difference, it needs to be in the later stages.

bearlyther

Hopefully with the new format antes can now be introduced.

SkyPeter

In Response to Re: 8pm, 9pm and 10.30pm - Bounty Hunter Chip Stack and Late Registration Changes:

Peter I could ask this question for all the tournaments with the changes but for now. What time did the main finish for Monday/Thursday/Friday/Saturday last week and how to you envisage this changing with the changes to the starting stacks? Whilst more chips proves more popular with recreational players, being up till the early hours will put lots of recreational players off. Matt
Posted by MattBates

Hi MattBates,

That is a good point and it one which we considered when making these changes.

Saturday's Bounty Hunter with 384 runners finished at ~2.30am while yesterdays with 363 finished at ~1.30am.

We expect that these changes will have little effect on play time these although could increase it by up to 30 minutes. We will be keeping a close eye on it this Thursday for the following weeks and will amend it if neccessary.

Cheers.

TommyD

You're upping the total chips in play in the main bounty hunters by 150%?

Will post more thoughts on this after I have a good luck at the structure changes but initially:

This calls for Zandig

GELDY

i can't do late nights any more

i guess i won't be able to play these other than maybe the speed. It was so nice though when it ended around midnight. 

macapaca

3k stack in BH mains and extra levels ftw

SJspanky1

I understand the need to constantly listen to player feedback and amend tournament structures to suit the wishes of the majority and can have no argument with this. I'm just struggling to believe that the majority of players (in my opinion recreationals) in Sky's popular BH tournament have expressed a desire to play for longer and stay up later to play for reduced prize pools during BST. 12.30-1.30 finish times ensure a decent few hours kip before people have to get up for work, I'm concerned the extra length of time the new structures are gonna add to the games are soon going to see an even bigger decrease in players/prize pools. 2000-5000 is a mahoosive leap, could 3000 not be trialled initially?

natry20111

whatever changes are happening we must have a trial to see if the majority of players like it me personally i dunno what i think about those changes gl all

bearlyther

for a 5k start stack for the mains skip the early levels and adjust them to start at 25/50, 50/100. 75/150 100/200

kopite1984

I think this is a good idea means if you lose one big hand early your not straight out of the tournament gives people a chance to play few more hands etc 

TommyD

Time for some predictions




First up, the 9pm.  In my opinion easily the best structured MTT on the site previously.

You've dropped two early levels (the 10/20 and the 25/50) which I can get behind.  Starting stack has been increased to 5k, not really sure that change was needed at all, in fact probably would have been better off left alone but no real major issue there.

There's only been one level added in later.  At level 29.  Which would happen roughly six hours into the MTT.  Which is 3am.  For a MTT which usually finishes between 1am and 2am.  I'm not sure that was needed, even with the additional chips this MTT won't see 3am very often at all.  I would much rather more levels be slid in from around level 10 onwards, have more play at the sharp end.

Late reg is now available until around 10:40pm (ending just before 150/300 rather than 40/80 before which was open until roughly 10.05).  Feels overly long to me.  The real problem I see is without ante pressure, the average stack is going to be bunched around 7k or so when late reg closes in, that's around 23bb.  And the structure doesn't slow down to incorporate 'play' at this time.  Honestly, it feels like it's been set up by a Hyper reg who intends to buy in at the last minute.  I may well be off with my numbers, in fact I hope I am and the MTT plays out totally differently, we'll see tonight and I am completely open minded to trying the structure.  I just don't think it needed tinkering with and I have no idea why late reg is so long.

TheDart

As someone who's found the main event bounty hunters less and less enjoyable, I read the boost of a starting stack as a positive and something that appealed to me enough to want to give the new format a go.

With the larger starting stack I'd be surprised if the finishing times went on much longer than they do now, maybe half an hour extra?

Anyway with late registration being extended, could there be a justification, for moving the tournament start times forwards?

I don't think there was any complaints about late registration finishing too early, so how about moving the start time forwards and with the late reg at extra levels, the late reg option, time wise, will be pretty much where it has been for the last 12+ months, then everyone might be happy?

kopite1984

I think on most other sites if you are paying £33 you would expect to start with more than 2000 chips sometimes change is good just have to get used to it