I like the sound of extra chips and longer playing time,but I will only be interested if the start time is earlier and the finishing time no later than 1 am!
I don't mind the idea of the larger starting stack - but do worry that the games will go on much too late for me. I'd also have liked a slightly earlier start time - especially with such a long late reg period. I already struggle with games finishing midnight - 1am as I leave for work at 6.30am - and I imagine a fair few regs also work during the day? This is one of the reasons I liked playing so much on here compared to the mid morning finishes on other sites.
But hey ho - I'll give them a go - I'll prob be out long before normal bed time anyway!
can i ask why these changes were made? It definitely makes things worse for a lot of us recreational players on the site. i assume you hope to get more professional players coming from other sites to make up for the loss?
Does seem to be diluting yet another of the skypoker usps
Just as I was saying that the 9pm £55 BH was the best tourney on the site you change the structure lol. May I ask what was wrong with this tourney? It usually finished by 2 had lots of play and most regs on SKY I believe thought it was pretty spot on. Giving a bigger stack but taking out levels is purely a trick to make people believe they are getting more value for their £50.
Hi, The majority of changes are with the chip stacks and late registration times, the original post has been edited to reflect this. The structures have been amended to suit the new chip stack for the 8pm and 9pm bounty hunters and should keep a fairly similar experience while providing room for more play at earlier levels. Cheers. Posted by SkyPeter
This is just not true. A bigger starting stack does not give you more play if you change the levels
Here is a comparison of the 9pm BH old and new structure Lets say that after every level for the first 10 levels you have the original starting stack and how many BB you would (roughly) have.
As someone who's found the main event bounty hunters less and less enjoyable, I read the boost of a starting stack as a positive and something that appealed to me enough to want to give the new format a go. With the larger starting stack I'd be surprised if the finishing times went on much longer than they do now, maybe half an hour extra? Anyway with late registration being extended, could there be a justification, for moving the tournament start times forwards? I don't think there was any complaints about late registration finishing too early, so how about moving the start time forwards and with the late reg at extra levels, the late reg option, time wise, will be pretty much where it has been for the last 12+ months, then everyone might be happy? Posted by TheDart
and then Father Christmas said to the Easter Bunny..........
Wow, that is so so kiniving! Actually reduces play as Jono proves.
Wow wow wow, bad bad times! Why they would ever try fixing the mtt's that are not broken I do not know! Loads of regs say what is their favourite mtt on sky and they go mess with it?
Shambles!
Ps thanks for all the lag again - was watching Paul on his twitch page and all sky tables froze but his 888 and stars played out as normal.
Hi SkyPeter can i ask why these changes were made? It definitely makes things worse for a lot of us recreational players on the site. i assume you hope to get more professional players coming from other sites to make up for the loss? Does seem to be diluting yet another of the skypoker usps Posted by GELDY
I generally like change but my initial thought on the extra chips is that it is bad.
I'm more concerned with the apparent loss of the 22:15 £22 BH which I went to late reg for at 22:40ish but it was not there! Is the list of othher changes?
I generally like change but my initial thought on the extra chips is that it is bad. I'm more concerned with the apparent loss of the 22:15 £22 BH which I went to late reg for at 22:40ish but it was not there! Is the list of othher changes? Posted by SoLack
My guess is replaced by the Sky Sports £22 BH @22:00 for tonight only for the live show.
I think on most other sites if you are paying £33 you would expect to start with more than 2000 chips sometimes change is good just have to get used to it Posted by kopite1984
You can start with a million chips if you want! It's about both starting stack and structure.
I generally like change but my initial thought on the extra chips is that it is bad. I'm more concerned with the apparent loss of the 22:15 £22 BH which I went to late reg for at 22:40ish but it was not there! Is the list of othher changes? Posted by SoLack
Morning Paul.
As Matt replied, it was changed on this occasion for the Live Show, & I assume it will revert to normal timings on non-Show nights.
In my personal opinion, I think ALL changes should be communicated in advance, perhaps via a locked "Ch-Ch-Changes" type thread. (Players could start threads to discuss & give feedback). This was a bit of a late notice one-off, to be fair.
Just to add a little to what has already been said...
Firstly, this is a trial. It will 'live or die' based on how popular they are and on the balance of feedback. We know it’s close to impossible to satisfy 100% of players but we try to do the best for the majority. If this proves unpopular we'll revert or try something else until we hit the best solution for all.
Secondly, we are constantly trying to improve Sky Poker and, in order to improve, we need to make changes that cannot be helped. If we never made changes, we'd never progress. Also, we don't just make uniformed changes to things like this, they are done for a reason and more often than not, it is because of player demand. It's simply not in both our interests to do things that don't work.
This change is genuinely is no exception. You've probably seen many comments on the forum about starting stacks. But also, we've had numerous other requests to us saying that, rightly or wrongly, paying £33 (or whatever) and only getting 2,000 chips is 'not good value'. This is, in part, a trial on a few games to tackle that perception.
Finally, as many of you have rightly pointed out, there is a balance to be made. So what are the things we are trying to balance? The main things are:
1) Value for money
2) A fun but playable structure
3) A reasonable finish time (ideally not long after midnight)
On the final point - as many of you will know, there is no fixed time that a particular tournament ends and there are many factors that can affect it, some which we control, others which are affected by player numbers and how the tournament pans out. We have obviously a lot of experience in this area and Peter has put that into action. However, nothing beats running these a few times to see how it pans out.
Thank you to all who have taken the time to feedback, we'll both see how it goes.
I dont see why your adjusting structures to mtts that already do well on the site, I personally like the changes the to the structues as its going to favour the regs but I really think you should be foccusing on getting antes in play, also I think the gtees will drop as the recs wont play a comp until 2/3am in the morning.
just an idea that will probably get shot down but....
If what you think players want is more chips have more tornys with deeperstacks as well as the popular B/H s(as they were before),maybe twice a week or so....
I know there could be problems with guarantees from a business perspective but surely then you will know!
In Response to Re: 8pm, 9pm and 10.30pm - Bounty Hunter Chip Stack and Late Registration Changes : No offence but this is a pretty terrible idea imo. I think the main event structures are ok (or at least I've got used to them) but if anything needs changing it's to give more play in the later stages when it matters. All this change is gonna do is mean everyone is really deep for a few more levels in the early stages so they can fold for a bit longer, I suspect it's gonna make vv little difference to stack depths at the business end of the comp. Reducing the number of blind levels would only make this problem even worse, the thing that'll increase play towards the end is adding in smaller blind jumps towards the end, so instead of jumping from 200/400 to 300/600, then 400/800 (I don't know if this is the case atm, just giving an example) it goes something like 200/400, 250/500, 300/600, 350/700, 400/800 etc. As I say, I think they're ok as they are and this change with make little to no difference but if one change is made to blind levels it was to be more/smaller incremetal blind increases rather than less. If someone has an old and new BH main structure to hand, it'd be handy cos I'd like to do a comparison of how many BBs the starting stack (and estimate of avg stack) will equate to at various stages of the comp. Posted by Lambert180
Thanks for the reply Tony - glad it was only temp.
Finish times If I run deep in the main I don't mind a bit of a late finish - the reward of a ft makes it worthwhile but I think a ft by 1am shd be the aim. I am a recreational player and get up between 6 and 7 most days.
H4H While there are changes in the air can mention the one thing that regularly bugs me and that is H4H for a min cash in most of the tournements on Sky is fairly pointless as numerous people still slow play seemingly unaware of the H4H. This slows the whole tournament down.The ft h4h is also pretty pointless imo as the difference between 6th and 7th is minimal, the tables are unbalanced anyway with 3 v 4 but more bearable because the two short stacked tables petty much get a move.The H4H system is vital in satellites and shd be retained for the higher buy-ins (£66 or £110?) but in tournaments like the mini they are just an irritation.
I agree with most of the comments, although I wasn't even aware the main started with 2k chips, I thought it was 3k! Shows how much attention I pay. I think 5k is a little too much. At the end of the day these appeal to recs/gamblers because they have more chance of getting some return by taking bounties. It's going to be a lot harder for them to take a 5k stack off opponents who are better than them and they will soon lose their money quicker.
As we have all come to understand, you need to give the recs/losing players as much chance as possible while still keeping it a skill game. It's a fine balance and I think such a heavy starting stack tips it slightly too much in the favour of the winning players who will continue to play anyway.
I don't play the other tournaments mentioned so I can't comment on them.
The mini should be the same as the main, as that was always the intention, so if you change the main you should change the mini IMO.
Comments
May I ask what was wrong with this tourney?
It usually finished by 2 had lots of play and most regs on SKY I believe thought it was pretty spot on.
Giving a bigger stack but taking out levels is purely a trick to make people believe they are getting more value for their £50.
A bigger starting stack does not give you more play if you change the levels
Here is a comparison of the 9pm BH old and new structure
Lets say that after every level for the first 10 levels you have the original starting stack and how many BB you would (roughly) have.
OLD NEW
4000 5000
Level BB Level BB
1 10/20 200 15/30 166
2 15/30 133 20/40 125
3 20/40 100 30/60 83
4 25/50 80 40/80 63
5 30/60 66 50/100 50
6 40/80 50 75/150 33
7 50/100 40 100/200 25
8 75/150 26 125/250 20
9 100/200 20 150/300 16
10 125/250 16 200/400 12
So basically after every level in the old structure you would have more BB so how is this providing more room for play at earlier levels?
I'm more concerned with the apparent loss of the 22:15 £22 BH which I went to late reg for at 22:40ish but it was not there! Is the list of othher changes?
As Matt replied, it was changed on this occasion for the Live Show, & I assume it will revert to normal timings on non-Show nights.
In my personal opinion, I think ALL changes should be communicated in advance, perhaps via a locked "Ch-Ch-Changes" type thread. (Players could start threads to discuss & give feedback). This was a bit of a late notice one-off, to be fair.
Apologies if it inconvenienced you.
Morning all
Just to add a little to what has already been said...
Firstly, this is a trial. It will 'live or die' based on how popular they are and on the balance of feedback. We know it’s close to impossible to satisfy 100% of players but we try to do the best for the majority. If this proves unpopular we'll revert or try something else until we hit the best solution for all.
Secondly, we are constantly trying to improve Sky Poker and, in order to improve, we need to make changes that cannot be helped. If we never made changes, we'd never progress. Also, we don't just make uniformed changes to things like this, they are done for a reason and more often than not, it is because of player demand. It's simply not in both our interests to do things that don't work.
This change is genuinely is no exception. You've probably seen many comments on the forum about starting stacks. But also, we've had numerous other requests to us saying that, rightly or wrongly, paying £33 (or whatever) and only getting 2,000 chips is 'not good value'. This is, in part, a trial on a few games to tackle that perception.
Finally, as many of you have rightly pointed out, there is a balance to be made. So what are the things we are trying to balance? The main things are:
1) Value for money
2) A fun but playable structure
3) A reasonable finish time (ideally not long after midnight)
On the final point - as many of you will know, there is no fixed time that a particular tournament ends and there are many factors that can affect it, some which we control, others which are affected by player numbers and how the tournament pans out. We have obviously a lot of experience in this area and Peter has put that into action. However, nothing beats running these a few times to see how it pans out.
Thank you to all who have taken the time to feedback, we'll both see how it goes.
Have a good day.
Thanks
Sky Poker
Thanks for the reply Tony - glad it was only temp.
Finish times
If I run deep in the main I don't mind a bit of a late finish - the reward of a ft makes it worthwhile but I think a ft by 1am shd be the aim. I am a recreational player and get up between 6 and 7 most days.
H4H
While there are changes in the air can mention the one thing that regularly bugs me and that is H4H for a min cash in most of the tournements on Sky is fairly pointless as numerous people still slow play seemingly unaware of the H4H. This slows the whole tournament down. The ft h4h is also pretty pointless imo as the difference between 6th and 7th is minimal, the tables are unbalanced anyway with 3 v 4 but more bearable because the two short stacked tables petty much get a move. The H4H system is vital in satellites and shd be retained for the higher buy-ins (£66 or £110?) but in tournaments like the mini they are just an irritation.