Fantastic. It was already awful that new signs ups through affiliates get 30% flat, but now I will get even less than before. Clever system, new sign ups get the most rakeback (+ the affiliates take an extra cut), and long term loyal players and proven rakers are forced to think about leaving. Posted by Boonicon
Fantastic. It was already awful that new signs ups through affiliates get 30% flat, but now I will get even less than before. Clever system, new sign ups get the most rakeback (+ the affiliates take an extra cut), and long term loyal players and proven rakers are forced to think about leaving. Posted by Boonicon
Hi boonicon,
Are you happy for me to give you a call at some point tomorrow to discuss.
Well I have to say apart from like most not being overly happy with the new process, top marks for your customer service and how you are dealing with each query Sky JP.
Well I have to say apart from like most not being overly happy with the new process, top marks for your customer service and how you are dealing with each query Sky JP. You and sky deserve great credit for this..... Posted by gerardirl
Ok the amounts I earn in c4p are never a great amount but as with everything in this country at the moment bit by bit is chipped away from the little guys pie.
Players like myself who previously earned around £15-20 have just seen that halved to £8.80 tokens. gg sky
I think, like anything, will be winners and losers. All ready shows from above posts. I think that unless you are playing between £25 and £49 a week, 25-49 points range, or in the 220 points to 499 weekly, then you break even or be better off. For example, the rec like myself. Normal points is 400-500. Maths states that's approx 100 -125 weekly depending on days in Callander month. Instead of £5 I would get approx £10 in tokens. I will be honest, never withdraw my cash4points, C4P)so that's a win all ready. As a bonus - get to play free roles at a £1k each, probably a mtt value of £2-£5 depending on runners. Ok, I can't play them all, but run well in one and get £50-£100 bonus - more than I could dream of getting in my monthly C4P reward. Yes, if I was earning 40 per week, yeah I loose out on £1.60ish, but unless you only play set games, chances are one week you nudge 50, next be 30 etc and again, you a winner straight off with £2 token plus free roles. When you first look its human nature to find how much worse off you are. But when you really look, I mean properly work it out, probably find you are in better shape and get few more free mtt's. Play nice all is just a bonus after all Posted by Nuggy962
We can withdraw cash for points? ?? how is this possible ?
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : The usual way to view such things is to look at the effect on the midpoint of the bands, ie 50/300/750/1250/1750 points per week. I invite you to do the math. PS-it's not close.... Posted by Essexphil
I see no-one took me up on my offer. To make the maths simpler, I am using lunar, as opposed to calendar, months but the principles would be the same:-
50 points per week/200 per month-current system, £2, new £0 300 per week/1200 per month-current £12, new £8,80 in tokens 750 per week/3000 per month-current £45, new £30 1250 per week/5000 per month-current £100, new £62.50 1750 per week/7000 per month-current £140, new £105
I can see an advantage for people earning 100-214 points per week. I csn see an advantage in freerolls. However, that is coming at a not inconsiderable cost to everyone else.
Rakeback is not the most important thing in the world (it is less important than rake,for a start!). It won't stop me playing. I just don't feel that this is an improvement. There would be a nice simple way to test it-ask people which they would prefer!
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : I see no-one took me up on my offer. To make the maths simpler, I am using lunar, as opposed to calendar, months but the principles would be the same:- 50 points per week/200 per month-current system, £2, new £0 300 per week/1200 per month-current £12, new £8,80 in tokens 750 per week/3000 per month-current £45, new £30 1250 per week/5000 per month-current £100, new £62.50 1750 per week/7000 per month-current £140, new £105 I can see an advantage for people earning 100-214 points per week. I csn see an advantage in freerolls. However, that is coming at a not inconsiderable cost to everyone else. Rakeback is not the most important thing in the world (it is less important than rake,for a start!). It won't stop me playing. I just don't feel that this is an improvement. There would be a nice simple way to test it-ask people which they would prefer! Posted by Essexphil
I think sky did a poll a while back and most people were opposed weekly payments.
Seems like a load of BS to me. Confusing, utter nonsence. The question is: Under the new system are the people who signed up through an affiliate still getting a flat 30% rake back? Posted by dub1
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : Yiou're correct - however, we're never going to be able to set a suitable time for everyone, and evenings are certainly more playable for the majority than morning/afternoon. There was a suggestion earlier, in which customers would receive "Freeroll Tokens". This functionality isn't currently possible, but it's certainly something we can look into. Posted by Sky_JP
I don't profess to understand the system for issuing tokens, but if you are issuing £2.20 tokens, then I would have thought it possible to issue freeroll tokens.
If you ran 7 freerolls, including the weekends, and issued 5 tokens, then it might help those who have other commitments during the week.
Two things to point out about the £2.20 tokens (which is the realm many will fall into): 1. It's a bit naughty giving a £2.20 tournament token instead of £2.20. Only £2 of the £2.20 actually goes into the prize pool, so it's raked twice. 2. The £2.20 tokens need to be cumulative. I want to be able to use 10 of them to enter a £22 MTT rather than have to play 10 smaller tournaments. Are they? Posted by BigBluster
Just worked out that I'll be miles better off under the new scheme.
Currently I get about £10 per month based on 1000 MTT points. With the new scheme, based on 4.5 weeks per month, I'll get 9.90 in tournament entries and also access to £22.5K of freerolls.
If the 2.20 tournament entries are cumulative that would be the icing on the cake.
Hi Thanks for all the feedback. Just three things to mention... Firstly, we know from experience that it's very difficult to make changes to things like this to make everybody happy. Some might be a bit worse off, some better off and some the same. It is natural for people to say what it means for them but we design these things to reward people correctly and fairly and appeal to the most people possible. Also, this scheme is not set in stone forever. We and you will learn from the changes and depending on how things go, it's possible future tweaks will be made to make it the best we can for the benefit of the most people on the site overall. The new weekly model gives us more flexibiity on this. Finally, remember there will be more cash and prizes available to people to add to or compliment this scheme - like the iPads in June. There will be more things like this in future so watch this space as we annouce more. Thanks Sky Poker Posted by Sky_Poker
It's important to remember without regular contributors there will be no Sky Poker.
As most of the big names on the site regularly post in their diaries they make profits without having to deposit.
What purpose does it serve alienating the smaller bank rolled players who feed the professionals?
50 points a week for some people equates to £50 a week contribution, £200 a month.
Why take away their measly £2 rewards?
I'm sure you've thought this through and made the decision in the best interests of the business.
but it does seem, judging by the posts received. This may be the straw that breaks the camels back.
An increase of 100% to achieve a return , Only suceeds in making rival sites more appealing!
Well I have to say apart from like most not being overly happy with the new process, top marks for your customer service and how you are dealing with each query Sky JP. You and sky deserve great credit for this..... Posted by gerardirl
+1
On the one hand I'm not a huge fan of the new system because I'm quite lazy and don't always put in the hours every week (so one week I might make 4k, then the next just 1k). But turning the negative into a positive - At least now, I'm forced to put in the volume each day to make sure I reach 2500 every week
re. The freerolls - I agree that no time will not suit everybody so surely a way around this is to put freerolls at different times? So have some freerolls in the morning and afternoon as well as in the evening.
The only thing I'm annoyed about is the continued 30% rakeback by new customers. I'm aware it's important to attract new customers but the 30% RB for ever after they sign up is too much. If it was just the first 3 or even as much as 6 months I'd have less of a problem with it. If you signed up with 30% RB, can sky not cancel this? I'm sure with most things it says "sky reserves the right to alter/change this promotion or similar" so you'd have thought you could cancel the 30% RB - or do you think if you did this, then all those customers getting 30% RB would leave?
The alternative to taking away new the 30% RB to keep loyal customers happy is to reward them more and make 30% RB (or new equivalent as 20%) more easily attainable - or at least able to get closer to it. One suggestion I have is as follows:
For every month you make Priority (after the initial month you make it) increase the bonus rakeback by X%. X can depend on how many points you have earned per month. If you make between 10k and 20k, then lets say you can gain 0.5%. If you make between 20k and 30k in one month then you will gain 0.5% the first time and 1% thereafter for every increase. If you make between 30 and 50k in one month then you will gain 1%.
This way, if you make Priority 20 months in a row only getting 10k points each time you will now be earning 20% rakeback on top of the rewards (and the same as platinum) This rewards consistency and being loyal to sky throughout the year. *
If you fail to make Priority one month then you will lose some of your bonus rakeback and this might depend on a number of factors including the level of Priroty you are/how often you have made Priority in a row and how many times you have failed to make Priority.
* The only problem with this is that there's less incentive to keep getting 30k or 50k points a month every month if you can reach the 20% bonus rakeback and then because of your priority level but I'm sure that can be figured out to make something work. Maybe make 25% bonus rakeback as the maximum for reaching platinum, 22.5% for reaching Gold, 20% for Silver and 17.5% for Bronze.
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We can withdraw cash for points? ?? how is this possible ?
50 points per week/200 per month-current system, £2, new £0
300 per week/1200 per month-current £12, new £8,80 in tokens
750 per week/3000 per month-current £45, new £30
1250 per week/5000 per month-current £100, new £62.50
1750 per week/7000 per month-current £140, new £105
I can see an advantage for people earning 100-214 points per week. I csn see an advantage in freerolls. However, that is coming at a not inconsiderable cost to everyone else.
Rakeback is not the most important thing in the world (it is less important than rake,for a start!). It won't stop me playing. I just don't feel that this is an improvement. There would be a nice simple way to test it-ask people which they would prefer!
If you ran 7 freerolls, including the weekends, and issued 5 tokens, then it might help those who have other commitments during the week.
Sky to do list:
1) Make rewards system so complex no one understands
2) Dont do anything about ridiculous state of lobby
3) Annoy existing loyal players by offering new players a much better deal
You couldnt make it up
As most of the big names on the site regularly post in their diaries they make profits without having to deposit.
What purpose does it serve alienating the smaller bank rolled players who feed the professionals?
50 points a week for some people equates to £50 a week contribution, £200 a month.
Why take away their measly £2 rewards?
I'm sure you've thought this through and made the decision in the best interests of the business.
but it does seem, judging by the posts received. This may be the straw that breaks the camels back.
An increase of 100% to achieve a return , Only suceeds in making rival sites more appealing!
Surely that is not the way forward.
* The only problem with this is that there's less incentive to keep getting 30k or 50k points a month every month if you can reach the 20% bonus rakeback and then because of your priority level but I'm sure that can be figured out to make something work. Maybe make 25% bonus rakeback as the maximum for reaching platinum, 22.5% for reaching Gold, 20% for Silver and 17.5% for Bronze.