People pay the same entry fee as you, and they can play how they like. If you're struggling to combat players who move all in frequently, it sounds like you have the problem and not them.
Why would this be trolling when I posted because of my playing experience against people shoving all in? I thought I posted about playing poker, is that not allowed on here? Posted by swanstu
Hi
To put it in poker terms if you are playing a heads up SNG vs someone shipping every hand from the start then you should be printing money. If you are talking a standard speed SNG then I would stick a range into poker stove which gives you decent equity and get the money in pre with that range vs their any 2. E.g playing top 10% of hands gives you 67% equity approx. over a big sample this =££££££. With hyper/turbo speed you will need to expand your range and your ROI will drop but your volume should be higher to even this out
The bonus is you don't even have to think just sit watching eastenders/homes under the hammer/Jeremy Kyle and laugh as the money rolls in while you mindlessly click call with your premium hands
One you have enough cash then move up stakes or play cash where this type of play will be much less common
***NB I don't play SNG's, values above are approx and rake at lower buyins may impact your ROI significantly, so DYOR. Also excessively watching Jeremy Kyle may cause you to shop at Heron Foods in the early afternoon, while wearing slippers and a dressing gown***
In Response to Re: So many 'shove-monkeys'...? : Hi To put it in poker terms if you are playing a heads up SNG vs someone shipping every hand from the start then you should be printing money. If you are talking a standard speed SNG then I would stick a range into poker stove which gives you decent equity and get the money in pre with that range vs their any 2. E.g playing top 10% of hands gives you 67% equity approx. over a big sample this =££££££. With hyper/turbo speed you will need to expand your range and your ROI will drop but your volume should be higher to even this out The bonus is you don't even have to think just sit watching eastenders/homes under the hammer/Jeremy Kyle and laugh as the money rolls in while you mindlessly click call with your premium hands One you have enough cash then move up stakes or play cash where this type of play will be much less common ***NB I don't play SNG's, values above are approx and rake at lower buyins may impact your ROI significantly, so DYOR. Also excessively watching Jeremy Kyle may cause you to shop at Heron Foods in the early afternoon, while wearing slippers and a dressing gown*** Posted by IH8UButler
Thanks for that, I appreciate the post. At least addressing the question directly. Much sense there.
First poker book I Ever read was a book called Kill Phil, it is a stratergy book for beginners advocating shoving your whole stack from various positions with a range of hands. The idea being it minimises the edge that better players have because they cannot play small ball through the streets (hence killing Phil). Of course eventually the shover will come unstuck so not a particularly great stratergy especially with better players being able to adapt quite quickly. That being said the book does give a handy groundwork for first timers as long as they do not get married to the idea of shoving constantly. Anyway worth having a read just for info purposes.
OP should really be adapting his/her gameplay when faced with people shoving a lot, if everyone played poker the same it would be a very boring and predictable game.
First poker book I Ever read was a book called Kill Phil, it is a stratergy book for beginners advocating shoving your whole stack from various positions with a range of hands. The idea being it minimises the edge that better players have because they cannot play small ball through the streets (hence killing Phil). Of course eventually the shover will come unstuck so not a particularly great stratergy especially with better players being able to adapt quite quickly. That being said the book does give a handy groundwork for first timers as long as they do not get married to the idea of shoving constantly. Anyway worth having a read just for info purposes. OP should really be adapting his/her gameplay when faced with people shoving a lot, if everyone played poker the same it would be a very boring and predictable game. Posted by omm
+1
most that know me won't be surprised to learn I also read this book ;-))
I think a lot of lower stakes players are influenced by the basis of that stategy you describe in that book - 'if I just shove here, then it makes it difficult for any players to use their ability'
Its says somewhere in the mental game of poker that If there was no variance the better players would always win and the bad players would stop playing till only the most elite played so poker would turn into chess. variance is a good thing. Izzy I don't know what stack size your talking about but I find it highly unlikely 9/10 times shoves are AK unless you've barely played :P Unless your talking about 60bb open shoves at low limits! Posted by FeelGroggy
Bit patronising.
This is just from my experience. I was actually talking early/ middle.
I play most nights, at a range of limits. You assume people who buy into larger tournaments, always have more skill.
They sometimes either have a horrific gambling problem, or watched the swaggering bell end on the poker stars advert and think "I'm in Vegas".
playing live you often get the opposite issue. ie stacks of <10BB who think they can peel a min raise or min raise themselves when in the majority of situations they should be shove or fold. I'm often amused (easy I know) at how my live opponents often feel I'm the shove monkey when all I'm doing is committing myself when the hand is worth it.
I guess they're the limp chimps of which Phil talks. (Ivan excepted ofc)
Comments