Going back to PLO/PL8 I agree that it should be more than just a side event. I guess part of the problem with PLO & PLO8 events in the past is that they have ran alongside the Holdem (main event) tournaments and most people (myself inc!) struggle to play both at the same time since it's a different game format. Think we should have a day dedicated to a PLO8 main event and one following week with PLO main event. The mini could be a BH PLO/PLO8. Then maybe a turbo structure of it.
Going back to PLO/PL8 I agree that it should be more than just a side event. I guess part of the problem with PLO & PLO8 events in the past is that they have ran alongside the Holdem (main event) tournaments and most people (myself inc!) struggle to play both at the same time since it's a different game format. Think we should have a day dedicated to a PLO8 main event and one following week with PLO main event. The mini could be a BH PLO/PLO8. Then maybe a turbo structure of it. Posted by F_Ivanovic
+1
Like the sound of that, pretty sure hhy would be first to reg in the hi lo event as well ;-)
In Response to Re: UKOPS XIV - What Would You Like To See? : Couple of questions if you dont mind. I also work full time. Are you saying you will play the full 15 days or 15 days allows people who play once or twice a week to play a few events. Regarding full ring, are you saying you like full ring or full ring no ante as there is a massive difference from my perspective. Posted by MattBates
Antes as well would be a good thing to include in these but the only those wich cost £22+ are likely to need antes from a time prespective, those which cost no more than £5.50 and not part of the main mini jackpot, antes will be nothing more than an extra bit of fun because players generally are going to limp already.
the orford league itself doesn't contain antes and that has always managed to finish earlier than a super roller itself would finish.
In Response to Re: UKOPS XIV - What Would You Like To See? : Antes as well would be a good thing to include in these but the only those wich cost £22+ are likely to need antes from a time prespective, those which cost no more than £5.50 and not part of the main mini jackpot, antes will be nothing more than an extra bit of fun because players generally are going to limp already. the orford league itself doesn't contain antes and that has always managed to finish earlier than a super roller itself would finish. Posted by craigcu12
No offence but this is just a basic lack of understanding for what antes do.
Why would antes just be a bit of fun in smaller BIs? The BI makes no difference. People will limp with antes or no antes in a £5 or £100 comp. Antes force the action.
You can't possibly compare the orfordable to the roller.... different starting stacks, different blind levels, different length of levels, different field sizes, one is 6max, one is fullring, just totally different tournaments.
This is just my opinion ofc, but I think the orfordable is just painful, I played it once, maybe twice, never again. Full ring with no antes and silly starting stacks. iirc, you can fold for like 90 mins and still have like a million BB, then suddenly a ton of levels are missing and everyone has <20bb, correct me if I'm wrong.
Full ring, no antes just doesn't work imo. People go on alot about how much antes are needed on here, I think it would be nice but it really isn't that important, the fact everything is 6max already forces action, the fact almost everything is a BH also forces action. So it's already pretty good for action on here, but full ring, deepstacks with no antes is just realllly dull
I Love UKOPS and always try and play as many as my bank roll allows.
I would love a 15 day tournament as I'm always playing tournaments everynight. No good at cash.
my suggestions are as follows
Bracelet for all levels ( why not have Bronze, Silver & Gold bracelet depending on buy in level) winning a £2 tourny with a 1000 players is just as hard as winning a £22 tourny with 400 players or less
A Champion of Champion freeroll for all winners with a special price for the winner. Give the lower buy in player the chance to play other higher stake winners . I E TommyD, Matt Bates etc
In Response to Re: UKOPS XIV - What Would You Like To See? : +1 Like the sound of that, pretty sure hhy would be first to reg in the hi lo event as well ;-) Posted by HENDRIK62
Stupid game.
But I do like normal PLO every now and then, and if they had a reasonable PLO MTT (£11-£22, with a decent but not too ambitious GTD) for ukops then I'd deffo play that.
PLO tournaments can either be really brilliant or really terrible depending on how they're structured. Personally always found the PLO mtts on Sky to play too much like a DYM and not enough like a cash game.
I'd do something like half the buyin amount, and make it a re-entry, so you increase, or encourage, the amount of 'gamble' at the start as well as increasing the amount of 'play' toward the end.
In Response to Re: UKOPS XIV - What Would You Like To See? : No offence but this is just a basic lack of understanding for what antes do. Why would antes just be a bit of fun in smaller BIs? The BI makes no difference. People will limp with antes or no antes in a £5 or £100 comp. Antes force the action. You can't possibly compare the orfordable to the roller.... different starting stacks, different blind levels, different length of levels, different field sizes, one is 6max, one is fullring, just totally different tournaments. This is just my opinion ofc, but I think the orfordable is just painful, I played it once, maybe twice, never again. Full ring with no antes and silly starting stacks. iirc, you can fold for like 90 mins and still have like a million BB, then suddenly a ton of levels are missing and everyone has <20bb, correct me if I'm wrong. Full ring, no antes just doesn't work imo. People go on alot about how much antes are needed on here, I think it would be nice but it really isn't that important, the fact everything is 6max already forces action, the fact almost everything is a BH also forces action. So it's already pretty good for action on here, but full ring, deepstacks with no antes is just realllly dull Posted by Lambert180
It's not just about those who are capable of playing high stakes MTTs, it's about everyone and these fullring tables can bring more action post flop, for the reg who play lower stakes set mining and suited connectors can be far more valuable and this extra action seen in a bounty hunter normally consists of more going in preflop for the sake of a head and can sometimes make those low stakes bounty hunters feel like an MTT about pure luck because to build a stack we're either hoping to get a monster hand given preflop or praying that A8 will hits it's pair now that it's up against 2 other callers as well as he who shoved, alternatively he with A8 could risk going for a rejam to make it more likely he'll gain HU rather than 4 at the risk of loosing his full stack if those left to act did have that better hand, it's the fact. A ukops packed with purely the everyday BH at microstacks will feel far too much like a gambling game for myself and i'll have other tables to play on whilst that stack is short and the orford league show recs don't mind it.
PLO tournaments can either be really brilliant or really terrible depending on how they're structured. Personally always found the PLO mtts on Sky to play too much like a DYM and not enough like a cash game. I'd do something like half the buyin amount, and make it a re-entry, so you increase, or encourage, the amount of 'gamble' at the start as well as increasing the amount of 'play' toward the end. Posted by raggy94
In terms of omaha tournaments I don't imagine that there will be enough interest to have a £50 BI event, I imagine a £22/£11 £1K would probably be best. I don't play it but might have a punt at that kind of buy in. Don't think as many people would punt £55 or try and satellite in if the BI was higher than £22.
I would like to see a mix between freezeouts, bounty hunters and rebuys, preferably with big guarantees, big prizepools and tons of satellites.
9 max with no antes takes soooooooo long it's quite painful imo.
15 days is a long time but I'd definitely play as many as possible. In terms of trying to get a decent turn out it could be better to go for something like events friday saturday sunday for a month. I think mid-week tournaments will struggle to take off.
How about something along the lines of the 'Mayhem' promotion in the weeks leading up to the series? So every evening there's a 'Mayhem' tournament where you pay a £1 to enter, 50% of the money goes in the regular prizepool and the rest goes in the leaderboard prizepool? If it averages 200 runners a night at the end of the week you'd have £700 worth of seats filled.
Have to play around with the numbers a bit to make it viable i guess, something along those lines could work though?
Could even just put a 'Mayhem' icon next to some of the already existing tournaments in the lobby and have a weekly 'added value' leaderboard for those? So most head prizes in the 2.20 at 2.20 each week wins a seat in afternoon deepstack, PLO for PLO etc, just an idea, i did like the Mayhem promotion
There seems to be a lot of demand for high BI events so people can play for a big top rize and if the demand is there fair enough, but I hope iin a 15-day long festival us recreational players are considered and those of that like Deepstacks are not ignored. I think I'm right in saying the last UKOPS didnt include one deepstack, not even one I couldn't afford to enter (!), so I hope this time there is at least one with a £5 BI (or less) and if there is a higher stake one, then low BI satellites are run for it at various times to allow people to try and qualify for it. In fact I would hope the software is in place for satelltes to run for various events all the time, eg satellites for a Thursday event running at times on Mon/Tue/Wed/Thur to give players flexibility to pllay satellites. There could be a special tab in the lobby for them so the main lobby doesn't get cluttered up? Posted by Brrrrrrr
This is probably the most important post regards making the UKOPS a success for the majority of player because it gives access to bigger events for an affordable cost at times that suit them. In the past I have found myself faced with pretty much allin satellites or pay the full buy in.
Obviously satellites to win tokens for UKOPS would be ideal but guess the software isn't up to that yet.
Could include some timed tournaments, with buy ins between £3 and £22 and various lengths between 30 mins and 2 hours. These are generally quite popular, hit the guarantees and are lower variance.
Would also be nice to have a fun head hunter tournament.
Could include some timed tournaments, with buy ins between £3 and £22 and various lengths between 30 mins and 2 hours. These are generally quite popular, hit the guarantees and are lower variance. Would also be nice to have a fun head hunter tournament. Cheers Greg. Posted by GREGSTER
I have followed this thread very carefully but I was sure it would be best not to comment too much as I didn't want to discourage anyone from giving their opinion and I really wanted to see what other people say.
I have had a few emails back and forward with Tikay and Dan and I'm very pleased to say that lots of great points made by all have been considered and thought carefully about. Hopefully we'll see the full schedule soon but from what I've seen it should be the biggest and best UKOPS and a pretty big time for Sky Poker.
Looking forward to it.
If anyone has anything they want to add to this thread you still can though. Everything planned is not yet set in stone.
- Would like to make it a double chance given that a lot of people playing would most likely have a second bullet given that it is the only Omaha Main Event we've ever held
- Wouldn't want to make it unlimited rebuys as it would then go a bit crazy (mind you I quite like that sometimes)
Who knows, maybe we'll have a PLO Rebuy side event ;-)
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3 days where only final table go through
final day, 18 players only final table get payed
Why would antes just be a bit of fun in smaller BIs? The BI makes no difference. People will limp with antes or no antes in a £5 or £100 comp. Antes force the action.
But I do like normal PLO every now and then, and if they had a reasonable PLO MTT (£11-£22, with a decent but not too ambitious GTD) for ukops then I'd deffo play that.
It's not just about those who are capable of playing high stakes MTTs, it's about everyone and these fullring tables can bring more action post flop, for the reg who play lower stakes set mining and suited connectors can be far more valuable and this extra action seen in a bounty hunter normally consists of more going in preflop for the sake of a head and can sometimes make those low stakes bounty hunters feel like an MTT about pure luck because to build a stack we're either hoping to get a monster hand given preflop or praying that A8 will hits it's pair now that it's up against 2 other callers as well as he who shoved, alternatively he with A8 could risk going for a rejam to make it more likely he'll gain HU rather than 4 at the risk of loosing his full stack if those left to act did have that better hand, it's the fact. A ukops packed with purely the everyday BH at microstacks will feel far too much like a gambling game for myself and i'll have other tables to play on whilst that stack is short and the orford league show recs don't mind it.
I have followed this thread very carefully but I was sure it would be best not to comment too much as I didn't want to discourage anyone from giving their opinion and I really wanted to see what other people say.
I have had a few emails back and forward with Tikay and Dan and I'm very pleased to say that lots of great points made by all have been considered and thought carefully about. Hopefully we'll see the full schedule soon but from what I've seen it should be the biggest and best UKOPS and a pretty big time for Sky Poker.
Looking forward to it.
If anyone has anything they want to add to this thread you still can though. Everything planned is not yet set in stone.