are freerolls bad for you.?

goldon

 Does playing in them alter your way of playing.?   Making you worse player.!

Itsover4u

100% make you a better player if you are new to the game. If you are a profitable player there are probably better ways to spend your time (Dependent on the freeroll)

goldon

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100% make you a better player if you are new to the game. If you are a profitable player there are probably better ways to spend your time (Dependent on the freeroll)
Posted by Itsover4u

So only for newbie then........... I found after playing them I would call any two or even play hands I would normally fold.  Wondered if others were picking up bad habits. ?

MICKYBLUE

free money? nothing bad in that for the best player in world let alone any on sky.

spending to much of your poker time playing them is my problem at times, put it this way if there is a freeroll micky is there.

goldon

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free money? nothing bad in that for the best player in world let alone any on sky. spending to much of your poker time playing them is my problem at times, put it this way if there is a freeroll micky is there.
Posted by MICKYBLUE

Free Money is always welcome even for top players and they would'nt waste their time in £20 freeroll.  However, with higher stake freeroll open to all ..... have notice that ..... good players who would normally be there at the end ......... going out early.!   So asking if freeroll mayhem is changing the game and has freeroll mentality become the norm?  are we being indoctrinated by stealth.!      The question really is ....... can I blame it for my bad Poker.

mumsie

I once lost a tooth biting into one.

Turns out it was frozen.

So yes, they can be bad for you.

goldon

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I once lost a tooth biting into one. Turns out it was frozen. So yes, they can be bad for you.
Posted by mumsie

 But you voted " Windy Weather"

Benchmark

When playing freerolls, most players play different to their usual game, as there is nothing to lose. A typical strategy is to try and spin up early on. If you get knocked out, no loss of cash or time. This means having to face more coin flips than usual. If you can keep your 'freeroll' head and 'serious' head seperate, things are okay.

Have you ever played the board game version of 'Deal or No Deal' ? Everybody opens the last box, no matter what their offer, as there is nothing to lose. When it's played for real money on the TV, not so many...

Itsover4u

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In Response to Re: are freerolls bad for you.? : So only for newbie then........... I found after playing them I would call any two or even play hands I would normally fold.  Wondered if others were picking up bad habits. ?
Posted by goldon

You should be adjusting how you play to every table so you should not be picking up bad habbits just continually adapting.

If everyone is playing crazy adjust your range as neccesary

goldon

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When playing freerolls, most players play different to their usual game, as there is nothing to lose. A typical strategy is to try and spin up early on. If you get knocked out, no loss of cash or time. This means having to face more coin flips than usual. If you can keep your 'freeroll' head and 'serious' head seperate, things are okay. Have you ever played the board game version of 'Deal or No Deal' ? Everybody opens the last box, no matter what their offer, as there is nothing to lose. When it's played for real money on the TV, not so many...
Posted by Benchmark

 Thank you,  this was posted seriously but I have joker reputation so happy with both type's of reply.

 I know players prefer to stick to what suits their game and I tend to stick to sit&go's dym's,  so when I venture into other games I struggle ....... free play where everyone on their big blind go's allin fazes me into calling  I probably should'nt play them but have been in them hoping I could improve but now seems I'm getting worse.?  Wish I could adapt like you say , then switch back,  but find I get sucked into that playing style play the wrong cards then think ... Why did I do that....... in auto pilot.

 

Mohican

Freerolls are an excellent way for a new player to learn the game. Many people can and do start bankrolls from them. The only problem is that the are usually a faster structured tourney and even if you win it, your return can be small, esp for the time invested.  That said free money is still free money. 

A worthy read is a thread started by GaryQQQ who went from zero to 1k bankroll. He said started out with by playing free rolls and with a bit of luck, determination and some pretty hard observation of bank roll management(another reason to read it all) ground his way up to £1000 from nothing. 

Mohican

Here's the link. https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat:57795ac2-1793-4377-b4cf-e124b0f555f4Forum:df77f82c-151f-4bea-aae1-fb423dcae1faDiscussion:e6e67ebe-a969-4d84-860b-339191ee6427

goldon

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In Response to Re: are freerolls bad for you.? : You should be adjusting how you play to every table so you should not be picking up bad habbits just continually adapting. If everyone is playing crazy adjust your range as neccesary
Posted by Itsover4u

Yes, " Geronimo " is not the answer so was wondering if freeroll type play was becoming the future of Poker.

Poker play has changed for me from only playing top cards,  now players going with lower even off suited cards and winning. Lots of times folded low cards only to see them drop or have called allin to find player has 35 & hit.  Ok its Poker I know but confusing for this Dinosaur.   Is adapting to play lowering the range or just joining the crowd.

goldon

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Here's the link.  https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat:57795ac2-1793-4377-b4cf-e124b0f555f4Forum:df77f82c-151f-4bea-aae1-fb423dcae1faDiscussion:e6e67ebe-a969-4d84-860b-339191ee6427
Posted by Mohican

 Hi Moh,   Yes followed that thread ........ it proved you can go from rags to riches from freerolls.  Once out of the ghetto he adapted ..... the cannon fodder left behind.   My question was not about making money only if playing them altered your playing ability.  He obviously adapted so it did not bother him.  Has he adapted sublimely.?

Itsover4u

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In Response to Re: are freerolls bad for you.? : Yes, " Geronimo " is not the answer so was wondering if freeroll type play was becoming the future of Poker. Poker play has changed for me from only playing top cards,  now players going with lower even off suited cards and winning. Lots of times folded low cards only to see them drop or have called allin to find player has 35 & hit.  Ok its Poker I know but confusing for this Dinosaur.   Is adapting to play lowering the range or just joining the crowd.
Posted by goldon

I will raise any 2 if the situation is correct I will also shove any 2 if the situation is correct.

Every move in poker has an expected value your job is to make as many decisons with the best expected value possible.

for example did you know that by not calling a min raise in a hu hyper with 97 out of postion you could be losing £1000s in the long term based on that decision.

So in short if a small blind is moving all in every time on my big bling if folded to him eventually my range will loosen each time and I will eventually have no qualms in snapping off with k9 k10 kj etc.

Freerolls will not make you worse or give you bad habbits the simple fact is if you cant beat freerolls you cant beat real cash.

goldon

 Thank you all for participating in my little  "Poll" 

The results show ............ 4. votes      freerolls are  (good for you) 

                                     1. vote        bad. ? not my vote by the way.

                                     1. vote        play all the time.!  where were the other 1,000 votes.?
 
                                     11. votes     very Windy today.?

 Conclusion;  freerolls  give you wind.?



 My next Poll will be...............   Are Polls a waste of time.

craigcu12

considering who the targets are then yehi'd say freerolls are good for you.

If they've got MTTs on offer orhave good prizes a the bubble i'd play them myself but the 1K i'll leave because the bubble prizes can be acheived from a nl4 cash table in the first place.

What garyQQQ acheived with freerolls himself was a great acheivement but in those days freerolls were point buy ins, you already had the points so didn't need to play cash, SnGo or MTTs with entry fees now you need to play using cash otherise you don't get the 50 point requirement for the freerolls.

goldon

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considering who the targets are then yehi'd say freerolls are good for you. If they've got MTTs on offer orhave good prizes a the bubble i'd play them myself but the 1K i'll leave because the bubble prizes can be acheived from a nl4 cash table in the first place. What garyQQQ acheived with freerolls himself was a great acheivement but in those days freerolls were point buy ins, you already had the points so didn't need to play cash, SnGo or MTTs with entry fees now you need to play using cash otherise you don't get the 50 point requirement for the freerolls.
Posted by craigcu12

 Your Late.  100 lines ......

 Making money from freerolls was never the question, it was, were they bad for you.?    GaryQQQ did not stay in freerolls (only) but just used them to kick-start his project.   I was really asking if long term play in freerolls altered the way the Game is played.   But that has been decided here.     Freerolls are good long live Freerolls.!

GaryQQQ

I don't think freerolls are bad for you at all. Yes, you definitely need to adapt. However having the ability to adapt is an essential skill in poker, practising it can only be a good thing.

Generally tight ABC poker is a good strategy early in freerolls. Many entrants will be happy to gamble, flinging chips their around recklessly. Adapting your calling ranges accordingly is important here.

Come the bubble it will have changed. Most still standing would rather leave with something than nothing, so they all tighten-up. Play can be similar to the bubble of a satellite. If you really need that min-cash you must tighten-up too. If you don't this is a great time to steal chips.

Structures are usually fast. Once the bubble goes carnage often ensues. Shallow stack push/fold and flipping skills now come into play.

Also remember this, you cannot lose in a freeroll. No matter what happens the worst you can do is break-even, and you'll have fun doing it. Such a situation in a gambling environment is very rare, enjoy it.

For the record, when I did that 1,000 points thing there were no regular 'poker point free' freerolls like there are today. Each freeroll cost 25 poker points in those days. I had 40 attempts and was facing people who could rebuy if they wanted.

goldon

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I don't think freerolls are bad for you at all. Yes, you definitely need to adapt. However having the ability to adapt is an essential skill in poker, practising it can only be a good thing. Generally tight ABC poker is a good strategy early in freerolls. Many entrants will be happy to gamble, flinging chips their around recklessly. Adapting your calling ranges accordingly is important here. Come the bubble it will have changed. Most still standing would rather leave with something than nothing, so they all tighten-up. Play can be similar to the bubble of a satellite. If you really need that min-cash you must tighten-up too. If you don't this is a great time to steal chips. Structures are usually fast. Once the bubble goes carnage often ensues. Shallow stack push/fold and flipping skills now come into play. Also remember this, you cannot lose in a freeroll. No matter what happens the worst you can do is break-even, and you'll have fun doing it. Such a situation in a gambling environment is very rare, enjoy it. For the record, when I did that 1,000 points thing there were no regular 'poker point free' freerolls like there are today. Each freeroll cost 25 poker points in those days. I had 40 attempts and was facing people who could rebuy if they wanted.
Posted by GaryQQQ

    THIS !!    We are not worthy.   or should I say ME is put in place.?

craigcu12

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In Response to Re: are freerolls bad for you.? :  Your Late.  100 lines ......  Making money from freerolls was never the question, it was, were they bad for you.?    GaryQQQ did not stay in freerolls (only) but just used them to kick-start his project.   I was really asking if long term play in freerolls altered the way the Game is played.   But that has been decided here.     Freerolls are good long live Freerolls.!
Posted by goldon

I won't even know that when a freeroll has already been filled with away players