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tonight's 6k rebuy

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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,584
    edited March 2016
    In Response to Re: tonight's 6k rebuy:
    I personally rebuy a max of twice and take an add on ,getting charged a £1 in a £10 rebuy tournie would cost me £4 that's 40%, most players on average take between 3 and 5 (that includes add on) so they would be paying between 30% and 50% rake in the £10 rebuys.
    Posted by TheMadMonk
    That's incorrect Mr Monk

    If you buy in, then have 2 rebuys and an add-on, you are playing a £40 Tournament, for which you are paying £4 rake, which equates to 10%. 
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,584
    edited March 2016
    In Response to Re: tonight's 6k rebuy:
    Sorry made mistake,none of my posts have been removed,thought it was because I used other sites names,I have removed names now.
    Posted by TheMadMonk
    Sky Poker would have no problem with you mentioning those 3 sites in that context. They are extremely small sites, in fact Ladbrokes traffic is now negligible. All three are on networks, and are not standalone sites.
  • TheMadMonkTheMadMonk Member Posts: 294
    edited March 2016
    Have to disagree with you tikay ,about if I buy into a £10 rebuys tournie,take 2 rebuys and an add on,that ime playing a £40 tournie,ime playing a £10 tournie and getting charged £4 40% by sky for the privilage
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,584
    edited March 2016
    In Response to Re: tonight's 6k rebuy:
    Have to disagree with you tikay ,about if I buy into a £10 rebuys tournie,take 2 rebuys and an add on,that ime playing a £40 tournie,ime playing a £10 tournie and getting charged £4 40% by sky for the privilage
    Posted by TheMadMonk

    In which case, you are paying £44 to play an £11 MTT. 

    Anyway, happy to agree to disagree.
  • TheMadMonkTheMadMonk Member Posts: 294
    edited March 2016
    Yep we all have different opinions on the matter it seems
    Can I ask tikay (no need to answer if you don't want to)
    Have you ever or would you play a rebuy in a casino,where they were charging you rake every time you took a rebuys or an add on.?(ime talking rebuy tournie not re entry tournie)

  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited March 2016
    In Response to Re: tonight's 6k rebuy:
    Yep we all have different opinions on the matter it seems Can I ask tikay (no need to answer if you don't want to) Have you ever or would you play a rebuy in a casino,where they were charging you rake every time you took a rebuys or an add on.?(ime talking rebuy tournie not re entry tournie)
    Posted by TheMadMonk
    I'm sure that casinos are quite happy not to charge the rake on rebuys and let us spend our money on beer, food, roulette, blackjack etc
  • TheMadMonkTheMadMonk Member Posts: 294
    edited March 2016
    If thats the case jac,why do they charge any rake at all?
    They don't charge rake on rebuys/add ons  because no one would pay it.
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    edited March 2016
    In Response to Re: tonight's 6k rebuy:
    No player in the world would beat rake of 30/50% if they just played rebuys longterm.
    Posted by TheMadMonk
    Based on scope over a few sites I have a ROI of 85%, not crazy sample size but still 4.6k games.
  • TheMadMonkTheMadMonk Member Posts: 294
    edited March 2016
    Your obviously a very very good player matt (I mean that ,and not being sarcastic in any way)
    Most players struggle to beat 10% rake, in fact its the 10% rake thats the difference between a player being a winning player and a losing player in a lot of cases.
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    edited March 2016

    As you said no player in the world, am I in the same league as Gayle? Should I refer to myself as universe boss?

  • TheMadMonkTheMadMonk Member Posts: 294
    edited March 2016
    I take it matt your scope results are not based just on  rebuy tournies ,where you are paying rake on each rebuy add on?
    If you based results on that do you reckon you would be anywhere near 85%?

    If your results in rebuys over a long period. were you are paying rake on all rebuys/add ons are 85%,then yes you can call yourself universe boss if you like lol

  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    edited March 2016
    In Response to Re: tonight's 6k rebuy:
    I take it matt your scope results are not based just on  rebuy tournies ,where you are paying rake on each rebuy add on? If you based results on that do you reckon you would be anywhere near 85%? If your results in rebuys over a long period. were you are paying rake on all rebuys/add ons are 85%,then yes you can call yourself universe boss if you like lol
    Posted by TheMadMonk
    Those results are on all sites, if you look at my sky only rebuy results on scope my ROI is 209%. Sample size is small at 526 games. 
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,584
    edited March 2016
    In Response to Re: tonight's 6k rebuy:
    Your obviously a very very good player matt (I mean that ,and not being sarcastic in any way) Most players struggle to beat 10% rake, in fact its the 10% rake thats the difference between a player being a winning player and a losing player in a lot of cases.
    Posted by TheMadMonk
    Correct & correct.

    However, you seem to misunderstand the effect of raking rebuys. It STILL comes to 10%, whatever way you look at it. No rebuys, you pay 10%. 5 rebuys, it still adds up to 10% of your entry fees. If you enter & then rebuy 5 times, you pay £60 in entry for the prize pool, & £6 in Reg Fees (Margin). That's 10%. 

    If you paid rake on the original entry, & then rake free on 4 rebuys, you'd be paying 2% rake.   
     
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,584
    edited March 2016
    In Response to Re: tonight's 6k rebuy:
    Yep we all have different opinions on the matter it seems Can I ask tikay (no need to answer if you don't want to) Have you ever or would you play a rebuy in a casino,where they were charging you rake every time you took a rebuys or an add on.?(ime talking rebuy tournie not re entry tournie)
    Posted by TheMadMonk
    I don't mind answering, not at all.

    I've no idea, I'd probably go along with everyone else in it & still play. It honestly would not bother me much either way.
     
    But the thing is, if I strongly disagreed with it, the answer is simple - I would not play it. And if you don't agree with it, fine, same applies my advice would be don't play them.

    I'm slightly puzzled why you have not raised this issue before - it's not the first time you have played a Rebuy on Sky Poker.
     
    I'll add this, too. 

    Do I agree that Sky Poker add rake on Rebuys? No I don't, & I have only recently - last week in fact -  suggested they re-consider. I doubt they will,  especially as even 'Stars do so now, but that's my view.
     
    Does it matter either way? In my view, all things considered, no. Let's put some context on this. 

    MTT's account for approx 17% of Online Poker Traffic. That's roughly the same as SNG's, with the other 66% being cash game traffic. 

    Of that 17%, how much of Sky Poker's MTT traffic is accounted for by rebuys? Well today, as a typical day, there are 12 between now (11am) & midnight tonight. (all of them relatively small). Out of a total of around 190 MTT's. 

    So that's approx 6% of MTT Traffic here are rebuys. 6% of 17% (total MTT traffic, roughly) so we are talking about, very roughly, 1% of all traffic. Personally, that's not something that is going to exercise me very much.     
     
  • TheMadMonkTheMadMonk Member Posts: 294
    edited March 2016
    When I play rebuys.I normally stick to 1 rebuy 1 add on
    It costs me £7 more to play 9 £10 rebuys on sky.than it does to play 10 £10 rebuys on other sites.
    Each to their own.it's just not value in my eyes.
    I will still play  on sky.just not rebuys

    Good luck at the tables all.
  • TheMadMonkTheMadMonk Member Posts: 294
    edited March 2016
    Yes I prob have played rebuys on sky before tikay.
    And prob not noticed the rebuy charge.
    Ime getting older/skinter if not wiser now and notice these things more lol
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,584
    edited March 2016
    In Response to Re: tonight's 6k rebuy:
    When I play rebuys.I normally stick to 1 rebuy 1 add on It costs me £5 more to play 9 £10 rebuys on sky.than it does to play 10 £10 rebuys on other sites. Each to their own.it's just not value in my eyes. I will still play  on sky.just not rebuys Good luck at the tables all.
    Posted by TheMadMonk
    That's completely fair, "each to their own".

    Good luck at the Tables.
     
    PS - Why are you named "MadMonk"? Are you a real Monk?

    ;)
  • TheMadMonkTheMadMonk Member Posts: 294
    edited March 2016
    Met you in Vegas .briefly last year tikay.if I bump into you this year I will tell you why I use themadmonk alias.lol
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,584
    edited March 2016
    In Response to Re: tonight's 6k rebuy:
    Met you in Vegas .briefly last year tikay.if I bump into you this year I will tell you why I use themadmonk alias.lol
    Posted by TheMadMonk
    Ahh, now I think I remember you.

    Fingers crossed I'll see you in Vegas.
  • bearlytherbearlyther Member Posts: 1,757
    edited March 2016
    Im going to agree with the op on this issue its something ive always thought should never be raked.
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