£3.5k package questions

CraigSG1

hi, I have a possibility of winning a package via the Mayhem FRs. I'll probably bust first hand tonight but it is possible. I have a few questions if anyone can help.

1/ I'm assuming the £1000 is for flights/travel and spending money for two. Problem is I can't find flights for two never mind travel and spending money for less that £1000. How are you other package winners solving this?

2/ Does the target event (I thinks it's the Little One for One Drop) have different starting day ones? I come home from an already booked holiday on the 11th. 

3/ This is contentious I know. If I won and could not go I would have to swap with 2nd which is worth £500. What's to stop me (for example) of just accepting the package because even the if I could not go I would still get £1000 (double 2nd place). 

I'm not sure how I would feel if someone did this. Firstly it's taking a package away from someone who could go but we are all playing this to win money (if it was just for the love of the game we would be playing free tables). I'm torn as to how I would feel. £500 (the difference) will mean a lot more to some than others but winning a trip to Vegas to play in the WSOP is practically every poker players dream. 

I just thought it would be an interesting discussion. 

hhyftrftdr

In Response to £3.5k package questions:

hi, I have a possibility of winning a package via the Mayhem FRs. I'll probably bust first hand tonight but it is possible. I have a few questions if anyone can help. 1/ I'm assuming the £1000 is for flights/travel and spending money for two. Problem is I can't find flights for two never mind travel and spending money for less that £1000. How are you other package winners solving this? 2/ Does the target event (I thinks it's the Little One for One Drop) have different starting day ones? I come home from an already booked holiday on the 11th.  3/ This is contentious I know. If I won and could not go I would have to swap with 2nd which is worth £500. What's to stop me (for example) of just accepting the package because even the if I could not go I would still get £1000 (double 2nd place).  I'm not sure how I would feel if someone did this. Firstly it's taking a package away from someone who could go but we are all playing this to win money (if it was just for the love of the game we would be playing free tables). I'm torn as to how I would feel. £500 (the difference) will mean a lot more to some than others but winning a trip to Vegas to play in the WSOP is practically every poker players dream.  I just thought it would be an interesting discussion. 
Posted by CraigSG1

1) I think the package is generally a solo thing. You can bring someone as the Palazzo is for 2 people, but a lot of Vegas hotels don't have single room discount and a room for one person costs the same as a room for 2 people. Not always but usually. So the option is there to bring someone along, but obv this will be at additional cost to you/them.

2) Yeah I think it does but don't quote me on that. Sounds like you have too many holidays

3) Pretty ridiculous tbh. If people are treating money as the be all and end all then that is a pretty sad existence. It's important, don't get me wrong, and £500 is a nice sum of money, but in the grand scheme of things (I'm talking over a lifetime) its nothing. Whereas a trip to Vegas to play a WSOP event might be a once in a lifetime thing. If people are happy to deprive someone of that for the sake of a few hundred quid then stop the world cos I want to get off.

Good luck.

tomgoodun

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In Response to £3.5k package questions : 1) I think the package is generally a solo thing. You can bring someone as the Palazzo is for 2 people, but a lot of Vegas hotels don't have single room discount and a room for one person costs the same as a room for 2 people. Not always but usually. So the option is there to bring someone along, but obv this will be at additional cost to you/them. 2) Yeah I think it does but don't quote me on that. Sounds like you have too many holidays 3) Pretty ridiculous tbh. If people are treating money as the be all and end all then that is a pretty sad existence. It's important, don't get me wrong, and £500 is a nice sum of money, but in the grand scheme of things (I'm talking over a lifetime) its nothing. Whereas a trip to Vegas to play a WSOP event might be a once in a lifetime thing. If people are happy to deprive someone of that for the sake of a few hundred quid then stop the world cos I want to get off. Good luck.
Posted by hhyftrftdr

HENDRIK62

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Posted by tomgoodun

T shirts available in the lobby.....:-)

Donttelmum

In Response to Re: £3.5k package questions:

In Response to £3.5k package questions : 1) I think the package is generally a solo thing. You can bring someone as the Palazzo is for 2 people, but a lot of Vegas hotels don't have single room discount and a room for one person costs the same as a room for 2 people. Not always but usually. So the option is there to bring someone along, but obv this will be at additional cost to you/them. 2) Yeah I think it does but don't quote me on that. Sounds like you have too many holidays 3) Pretty ridiculous tbh. If people are treating money as the be all and end all then that is a pretty sad existence. It's important, don't get me wrong, and £500 is a nice sum of money, but in the grand scheme of things (I'm talking over a lifetime) its nothing. Whereas a trip to Vegas to play a WSOP event might be a once in a lifetime thing. If people are happy to deprive someone of that for the sake of a few hundred quid then stop the world cos I want to get off. Good luck.
Posted by hhyftrftdr

Well said.

markycash

Well said hhyftrftdr

There are 3 starting days, 12th, 13th & 14th, you let Sky know on arrival which is your preferred starting day.

The £1000 is the most I have seen gave by a poker site for 'travel & expenses'. As was said it is really a package for 1 (1 event buy in etc) and some sites do not say a +1 can come. Sky do allow a +1 but obviously you have to meet any surplus expenses. It looks to me like an excellent side event package.

When I went last year with another site I saw a site rep once, was given the buy in and left to get on with it. Another site I went with I never seen a site rep at all. Whereas Sky have arranged several extras & activities!

P.S. I think on those trips I was usually given around $1,000 for expenses which is a lot less than £1,000.

Jac35

I think to be fair to Craig, he's just asking a question.

I think Ideally if you couldn't go, then it would be nice to get the £1000 and 2nd just get £500 towards thier costs. I'm pretty sure that would be acceptable for anyone who did get bumped to first and the package.

CxE1

Craig, First congrats for being in there and gl tonight.

1. Unless you have air miles the cost of travel at this time of year is extortionate. Demand and supply. Try and find a plus 1 with plenty of airmiles. Package is really for one but the hotel room is for 2. The room could easily accomodate 4 and if they dont mind sleeping on sofas its 6. The most i saw from a package winner was 8 and no one slept on the floor.The flights that year were around 500..

2. yes

3. Its YOUR money as is the package. I have to disagree with esteemed collegues above. If you wanted to be generous keep the money and give away the remainder. I see no reason why if you have a genuine reason for not attending why you simply cant sell it/give away. If you wre a priority customer im sure they would allow it.Not too keen on the public and private double standars. T & C thrown at you are a nonsense and likely not hold up to a legal challenge. To be honest £1k travel spending money is reason enough as its not sufficeirnt to cover travel and a weeks stay in vegas. Its a lot more expensive than it used to be not least  the current exchange rates.

For the majority £500 is a huge sum. Those who tend to be on a moral high groung usually have plenty more than 500.

As for how good this package is. Yes it is good and im sure there is plenty sky will give you when your out there BUT please remember you are being charged around £700 for the priveledge. As for the once in lifetime, absolute nonsense. Off season, you can get to vegas for around £600 hotel included. Its not wsop but its not as though there will ne no casinos or poker tournaments.

The only thing a poker site can really keep is the entrance fee to the target tourny. Maybe deduct an admin charge. Other than that you can ask for the remaider as its YOUR money.And the entrance fee can only be kept if used in target tourny. 

Im sure i will get lambasted for my views but it wont be the first time............................today.

CxE1

Craig, First congrats for being in there and gl tonight.

1. Unless you have air miles the cost of travel at this time of year is extortionate. Demand and supply. Try and find a plus 1 with plenty of airmiles. Package is really for one but the hotel room is for 2. The room could easily accomodate 4 and if they dont mind sleeping on sofas its 6. The most i saw from a package winner was 8 and no one slept on the floor.The flights that year were around 500..

2. yes

3. Its YOUR money as is the package. I have to disagree with esteemed collegues above. If you wanted to be generous keep the money and give away the remainder. I see no reason why if you have a genuine reason for not attending why you simply cant sell it/give away. If you wre a priority customer im sure they would allow it.Not too keen on the public and private double standars. T & C thrown at you are a nonsense and likely not hold up to a legal challenge. To be honest £1k travel spending money is reason enough as its not sufficeirnt to cover travel and a weeks stay in vegas. Its a lot more expensive than it used to be not least  the current exchange rates.

For the majority £500 is a huge sum. Those who tend to be on a moral high groung usually have plenty more than 500.

As for how good this package is. Yes it is good and im sure there is plenty sky will give you when your out there BUT please remember you are being charged around £700 for the priveledge. As for the once in lifetime, absolute nonsense. Off season, you can get to vegas for around £600 hotel included. Its not wsop but its not as though there will ne no casinos or poker tournaments.

The only thing a poker site can really keep is the entrance fee to the target tourny. Maybe deduct an admin charge. Other than that you can ask for the remaider as its YOUR money.And the entrance fee can only be kept if used in target tourny. 

Im sure i will get lambasted for my views but it wont be the first time............................today.

MattBates

In Response to Re: £3.5k package questions:

Craig, First congrats for being in there and gl tonight. 1. Unless you have air miles the cost of travel at this time of year is extortionate. Demand and supply. Try and find a plus 1 with plenty of airmiles. Package is really for one but the hotel room is for 2. The room could easily accomodate 4 and if they dont mind sleeping on sofas its 6. The most i saw from a package winner was 8 and no one slept on the floor.The flights that year were around 500.. 2. yes 3. Its YOUR money as is the package. I have to disagree with esteemed collegues above. If you wanted to be generous keep the money and give away the remainder. I see no reason why if you have a genuine reason for not attending why you simply cant sell it/give away. If you wre a priority customer im sure they would allow it.Not too keen on the public and private double standars. T & C thrown at you are a nonsense and likely not hold up to a legal challenge. To be honest £1k travel spending money is reason enough as its not sufficeirnt to cover travel and a weeks stay in vegas. Its a lot more expensive than it used to be not least  the current exchange rates. For the majority £500 is a huge sum. Those who tend to be on a moral high groung usually have plenty more than 500. As for how good this package is. Yes it is good and im sure there is plenty sky will give you when your out there BUT please remember you are being charged around £700 for the priveledge. As for the once in lifetime, absolute nonsense. Off season, you can get to vegas for around £600 hotel included. Its not wsop but its not as though there will ne no casinos or poker tournaments. The only thing a poker site can really keep is the entrance fee to the target tourny. Maybe deduct an admin charge. Other than that you can ask for the remaider as its YOUR money.And the entrance fee can only be kept if used in target tourny.  Im sure i will get lambasted for my views but it wont be the first time............................today.
Posted by CxE1

It isn't an all expenses paid trip. It is a contribution towards expenses.
By saying about it being nonsense about it being a once in a lifetime, you don't understand what it is like to play in a WSOP event and the overall package you get with sky.

markycash

In Response to Re: £3.5k package questions:

Craig, First congrats for being in there and gl tonight. 1. Unless you have air miles the cost of travel at this time of year is extortionate. Demand and supply. Try and find a plus 1 with plenty of airmiles. Package is really for one but the hotel room is for 2. The room could easily accomodate 4 and if they dont mind sleeping on sofas its 6. The most i saw from a package winner was 8 and no one slept on the floor.The flights that year were around 500.. 2. yes 3. Its YOUR money as is the package. I have to disagree with esteemed collegues above. If you wanted to be generous keep the money and give away the remainder. I see no reason why if you have a genuine reason for not attending why you simply cant sell it/give away. If you wre a priority customer im sure they would allow it.Not too keen on the public and private double standars. T & C thrown at you are a nonsense and likely not hold up to a legal challenge. To be honest £1k travel spending money is reason enough as its not sufficeirnt to cover travel and a weeks stay in vegas. Its a lot more expensive than it used to be not least  the current exchange rates. For the majority £500 is a huge sum. Those who tend to be on a moral high groung usually have plenty more than 500. As for how good this package is. Yes it is good and im sure there is plenty sky will give you when your out there BUT please remember you are being charged around £700 for the priveledge. As for the once in lifetime, absolute nonsense. Off season, you can get to vegas for around £600 hotel included. Its not wsop but its not as though there will ne no casinos or poker tournaments. The only thing a poker site can really keep is the entrance fee to the target tourny. Maybe deduct an admin charge. Other than that you can ask for the remaider as its YOUR money.And the entrance fee can only be kept if used in target tourny.  Im sure i will get lambasted for my views but it wont be the first time............................today.
Posted by CxE1

I think the T&C's state the package is non transferable so it can't really be passed on unless I read something wrong (wouldn't be the first time).

Up to 2 people in the room I think is included, any more and the hotel/casino charge a fee although obviously if it is undeclared and there were 3 people for example I would be surprised if anyone noticed/cared.

Flight prices are higher this year but there are still quite a few around the £700-£750 mark, slightly less if you look very hard, think I paid about £650 last year.

Off season IMO isn't the same. There are plenty games going but not as many as during the WSOP. There just isn't the same buzz about the place but you can definitely still have a great time. It does add a lot to the experience also when you are there with a bunch of players via the site than off on a solo mission. I have done both and I know the trips I remember the most fondly where when there were a group of us playing via a poker site. All subjective of course.

And yes, best of luck tonight craig!

MattBates

In Response to Re: £3.5k package questions:

Craig, First congrats for being in there and gl tonight. 1. Unless you have air miles the cost of travel at this time of year is extortionate. Demand and supply. Try and find a plus 1 with plenty of airmiles. Package is really for one but the hotel room is for 2. The room could easily accomodate 4 and if they dont mind sleeping on sofas its 6. The most i saw from a package winner was 8 and no one slept on the floor.The flights that year were around 500.. 2. yes 3. Its YOUR money as is the package. I have to disagree with esteemed collegues above. If you wanted to be generous keep the money and give away the remainder. I see no reason why if you have a genuine reason for not attending why you simply cant sell it/give away. If you wre a priority customer im sure they would allow it.Not too keen on the public and private double standars. T & C thrown at you are a nonsense and likely not hold up to a legal challenge. To be honest £1k travel spending money is reason enough as its not sufficeirnt to cover travel and a weeks stay in vegas. Its a lot more expensive than it used to be not least  the current exchange rates. For the majority £500 is a huge sum. Those who tend to be on a moral high groung usually have plenty more than 500. As for how good this package is. Yes it is good and im sure there is plenty sky will give you when your out there BUT please remember you are being charged around £700 for the priveledge. As for the once in lifetime, absolute nonsense. Off season, you can get to vegas for around £600 hotel included. Its not wsop but its not as though there will ne no casinos or poker tournaments. The only thing a poker site can really keep is the entrance fee to the target tourny. Maybe deduct an admin charge. Other than that you can ask for the remaider as its YOUR money.And the entrance fee can only be kept if used in target tourny.  Im sure i will get lambasted for my views but it wont be the first time............................today.
Posted by CxE1

Its like saying why would you go to a cup final, you can go to a pre season game which would be cheaper.

Donttelmum

Is it defo a once in a lifetime experience for some.

It's being with the other sky players and sky staff that makes the trip.  I went twice last year.  Once with sky and once without.  The sky trip won hands down, its being part of the sky team buzz that sets it apart from different Vegas trips.  You can't buy that.

stuarty117

Surely if you are doing well by taking all these heads it means you have been doing well in the Freerolls.

I am sure the winner will have won 100-300 quid maybe more from the Freerolls alone so add this to the price of the flights

tomgoodun

I may be barking up the wrong tree, but where does it state £1k? All I can see is a £3.5k "package". Would be rather sad if all the "winners" took the alleged £1k and poor young Tikay and the crew were out there alone.

Good luck to all participating who really want to go on this trip of a lifetime.

CraigSG1

Hey all,

I thought it was an interesting dilema. Thanks for all the replies, I now realise about question one, makes sense. Question 2, multiple days is good as that would mean I had a good chance to go.

Thanks for the well wishes, I found out today I'm 2nd which is very exciting and a totally unexpected opportunity. I said last year that this was one of, if not, the best promotions ever and for Sky to repeat it is brilliant. Four chances to win a £3.5k seat for just playing on the site. And a really fair system that doesnt favour one or the other. 

As for question 3, in my case I would (if I could not go) take 2nd place but I realise that its not that cut and dry to say thats the right thing to do. Yes over a lifetime £500 is nothing but it could help a lot in the short term for what ever reason someone has. 

I really do think its an interesting dilema. I know I have had times (when I was out of work last year for example) where £1000 would have been more important to me than going away. Think about it, how could I justify going away to Vegas when out of work and turning down the chance of the extra £500? £1000 could go a very long way when out of work. There are other scenario's but that one hits home to me because I was thinking about what I would do if I had had this situation last year? 

The best solution I've heard so far is from Jac35. A fair compromise I think. 

dragon1964

unless I am mistaken, the t&c state that the winner has to sign a waiver to agree to use the £1000 for travel and other expenses during the trip.

Maybe future promos like this could include the solution in the t&cs that Jac proposed to avoid any problems.

GL to all still in the hunt.

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: £3.5k package questions:

Craig, First congrats for being in there and gl tonight. 1. Unless you have air miles the cost of travel at this time of year is extortionate. Demand and supply. Try and find a plus 1 with plenty of airmiles. Package is really for one but the hotel room is for 2. The room could easily accomodate 4 and if they dont mind sleeping on sofas its 6. The most i saw from a package winner was 8 and no one slept on the floor.The flights that year were around 500.. 2. yes 3. Its YOUR money as is the package. I have to disagree with esteemed collegues above. If you wanted to be generous keep the money and give away the remainder. I see no reason why if you have a genuine reason for not attending why you simply cant sell it/give away. If you wre a priority customer im sure they would allow it.Not too keen on the public and private double standars. T & C thrown at you are a nonsense and likely not hold up to a legal challenge. To be honest £1k travel spending money is reason enough as its not sufficeirnt to cover travel and a weeks stay in vegas. Its a lot more expensive than it used to be not least  the current exchange rates. For the majority £500 is a huge sum. Those who tend to be on a moral high groung usually have plenty more than 500. As for how good this package is. Yes it is good and im sure there is plenty sky will give you when your out there BUT please remember you are being charged around £700 for the priveledge. As for the once in lifetime, absolute nonsense. Off season, you can get to vegas for around £600 hotel included. Its not wsop but its not as though there will ne no casinos or poker tournaments. The only thing a poker site can really keep is the entrance fee to the target tourny. Maybe deduct an admin charge. Other than that you can ask for the remaider as its YOUR money.And the entrance fee can only be kept if used in target tourny.  Im sure i will get lambasted for my views but it wont be the first time............................today.
Posted by CxE1

Wow. Ignorant beyond belief.

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: £3.5k package questions:

Craig, First congrats for being in there and gl tonight. 1. Unless you have air miles the cost of travel at this time of year is extortionate. Demand and supply. Try and find a plus 1 with plenty of airmiles. Package is really for one but the hotel room is for 2. The room could easily accomodate 4 and if they dont mind sleeping on sofas its 6. The most i saw from a package winner was 8 and no one slept on the floor.The flights that year were around 500.. 2. yes 3. Its YOUR money as is the package. I have to disagree with esteemed collegues above. If you wanted to be generous keep the money and give away the remainder. I see no reason why if you have a genuine reason for not attending why you simply cant sell it/give away. If you wre a priority customer im sure they would allow it.Not too keen on the public and private double standars. T & C thrown at you are a nonsense and likely not hold up to a legal challenge. To be honest £1k travel spending money is reason enough as its not sufficeirnt to cover travel and a weeks stay in vegas. Its a lot more expensive than it used to be not least  the current exchange rates. For the majority £500 is a huge sum. Those who tend to be on a moral high groung usually have plenty more than 500. As for how good this package is. Yes it is good and im sure there is plenty sky will give you when your out there BUT please remember you are being charged around £700 for the priveledge. As for the once in lifetime, absolute nonsense. Off season, you can get to vegas for around £600 hotel included. Its not wsop but its not as though there will ne no casinos or poker tournaments. The only thing a poker site can really keep is the entrance fee to the target tourny. Maybe deduct an admin charge. Other than that you can ask for the remaider as its YOUR money.And the entrance fee can only be kept if used in target tourny.  Im sure i will get lambasted for my views but it wont be the first time............................today.
Posted by CxE1

I could do with £500, but that is neither here nor there. Moral high ground? Nah.

You gonna look back in 10 years time and think 'yeah, June 2016 was a good month cos I could make a slightly bigger credit card payment and enjoy branded cereal for a few weeks'? Happy in the knowledge that by keeping quiet you deprived someone else of the chance to fly out to Vegas and play a WSOP event?

Laughable to say you wouldn't like it done to you, then try and justify why you might do it.

CxE1

In Response to Re: £3.5k package questions:

In Response to Re: £3.5k package questions : It isn't an all expenses paid trip. It is a contribution towards expenses. By saying about it being nonsense about it being a once in a lifetime, you don't understand what it is like to play in a WSOP event and the overall package you get with sky.
Posted by MattBates

Hi Matt,

Im not in your league of playing poker but I've been to vegas a few times.Always from winning package online. Played in main event 4 or 5 times and have been very lucky to cash small amounts a couple of times.I would always recommend to everyone to go if they can.There have been many wonderful and weird experiences.But, For whatever reason sometimes you cannot go and that should be respected. Different people have different finances and that also should be respected.

It is not " a contribution towards expenses ". This is players money. And thats really my point, What belongs to whom. 

Im reminded of a funny T & C vegas story from many years ago. Poker sites tie you in with logos and who you represent when you play. Thats somewhat super seeded by contract you sign when registering for a wsop event. One of the guys got to last 32 and stars were offering 10 million to the winner if they signed for stars. It was fun watching rep telling player he cant sign for stars cos of T&C.15 mins of pure comedy. Although gotta give the rep his dues for keeping a straight face.

,

dragon1964

In Response to Re: £3.5k package questions:

In Response to Re: £3.5k package questions : Hi Matt, Im not in your league of playing poker but I've been to vegas a few times.Always from winning package online. Played in main event 4 or 5 times and have been very lucky to cash small amounts a couple of times.I would always recommend to everyone to go if they can.There have been many wonderful and weird experiences.But, For whatever reason sometimes you cannot go and that should be respected. Different people have different finances and that also should be respected. It is not " a contribution towards expenses ". This is players money. And thats really my point, What belongs to whom.  Im reminded of a funny T & C vegas story from many years ago. Poker sites tie you in with logos and who you represent when you play. Thats somewhat super seeded by contract you sign when registering for a wsop event. One of the guys got to last 32 and stars were offering 10 million to the winner if they signed for stars. It was fun watching rep telling player he cant sign for stars cos of T&C.15 mins of pure comedy. Although gotta give the rep his dues for keeping a straight face. ,
Posted by CxE1

Oh yes it is.

According to no. 22 of the t&c which I believe players agree to by taking part in the promo.