Any advice or criticism welcome, what do you do in this spot?

dantb10

Ive also posted this in the strategy section, but not alot of people hang around there.

It was a live tourny at DTD, 10,000 starting stack 30 minute clock.

Still in first level, but im down to 7,000 after a fiasco with JJ previously.

MR station limps in CO i have QQ on the button and make it 300 to go. (blinds 25/50)

All fold except mr station who has played every pot, from any position.

Flop is 10 5 2.

He checks, i want to play this strong to get max value so i pot it.

Mr station then re pops to 3k...

i tank and think he has a hand like A10, k10, Q10, J10.

I shove 4 my last 6k ish and he insta calls, and shows 10 10!!!!!

I just wanted to know what people thort of how i played the hand, was it just a cooler, or should i let go and preserve my remaining 5,000 chips as its early?

Any criticism or advice welcome.

Cheers

IRISHROVER

well as you say he was a calling station,

seems what range you put him on,

i have done same,

yep i think you did right !

rover and out !

ps. did doh go with you ?

spitfire10

The way the villain has played previous ie playing any 2 from any position I would prob stack off so a cooler. Sets are so well hidden but this early you have got to think what would he be willing to get his whole stack in with, only hands for me would be AA, KK which are beating you at the momment although these would of been dismissed as no re raise from him pre,usually find early days in tournaments all ins are aa v kk or big pairs v sets or two pairs hard to get away from but a good fold can be a tournament winner.
The big hands are so difficult to play at the start of an mtt as you can be called very light and the villain can hit a disguised monster.
The last Apat event I entered I had KK first hand 25/50 blinds raised to 200 got 1 caller 22 flop was 2 7 9 I C Bet he goes all in, was so hard to lay down the kk, flop was so dry but was beaten by aa or a set I did fold and he showed the set, so early days in an mtt sometimes big pairs should be used as drawing hands as there is still plenty of play left  remember 1 pair is only 2cd on the list best hands, remember this hand next time you play live and learn from it thats how we all improve, good luck at the tables.

DOHHHHHHH

Just had exactly the same situation in a NL20 cash game Dan! Thought I'd have a nice steady, stress-free, relaxing game before tonight, and I'm pulling my hair out!!!! lol

The decision in a cash game is obv very different, as u know buying back in is as simple as clicking a button.

For me, Im always trying to final table a tourny from hand one, so with the description u gave of this guy, Im doing the same, Surviving and limping into the cash aint an option for me personally, any chance I see to get ahead early on, If I believe Im winning, Im taking it.

I its a live tourny, with a gud structure and big PPool such as this one, maybe I'd try and preserve my tourny life. However, I'd be doing so for the wrong reasons.

DOHH

mr_mbro

Hi Dan,

HOW CAN YOU BE ON TP BY PLAYING SOOOOOOOOOOO BAD LOL. Only joking m8.

I think you know the answer here. If the guy was a rock then you can probably get away with it, but as he was a calling station you were in a bit of a cooler.

The only question would be how he was playing, what cards he was showing. As you say I would not expect most people to play pocket 10s like him, because they ARE a hand that can get you into trouble, so a preflop raise would be my preferred play with them and only play them if the price was right, in a deepstack, but put them down if any real resistance.

It was difficult to put him on that hand and would agree with your range for him, with the addition of 55,22, as these are pocket pairs that people do limp in with.

At the end of the day your stack dictated your play, either push or fold and you made the right decision with your assessment of his holding, in your eyes, only 5 hands were beating you AA, KK, 1010, 55, 22.

Dont beat yourself up to much m8, we all question our decisions when we get it wrong

your friend 

col

BrownnDog

I like a fold here.



Would he ever take the limp C/R line here with just top pair? It just looks like a set. I'd also have slow played aces screaming at me in that spot. Your describing him as a limping station so I assume he is loose passive, I think he would generally take the C/C line call here with the range you are assigning him. He is unlikely to be value raising anything here that can't beat queens. He either has 22, 55, 1010, aces or he is on some major bluff here IMO. Also taking the tournament dynamic into account I think It makes it even more of a fold, this early on its better to just fold and conserve you chips in this spot.



Lewis

BrownnDog

In Response to Re: Any advice or criticism welcome, what do you do in this spot?:

I like a fold here. Would he ever take the limp C/R line here with just top pair? It just looks like a set. I'd also have slow played aces screaming at me in that spot. Your describing him as a limping station so I assume he is loose passive, I think he would generally take the C/C line call here with the range you are assigning him. He is unlikely to be value raising anything here that can't beat queens. He either has 22, 55, 1010, aces or he is on some major bluff here IMO. Also taking the tournament dynamic into account I think It makes it even more of a fold, this early on its better to just fold and conserve you chips in this spot. Lewis
Posted by BrownnDog

Or am I just a tournament nit?

acebarry10

Hi Dan

Well, I have never played live, so not sure I would be the right person to say this, but, you have 7K chips, you put in a 6X BB raise and Mr Station calls, which obv could be any 2, the flop is 10, 5, 2 which seems a very nice flop for QQ, you want to find out where you are and pot it, so you have 900 invested in the pot?, station raises 3K, I think for me is when the alarm bells go off, you still got around 6K left, thats 1200 BB and still your tourny life and still more than enough chips to do a lot of damage, I personaly would have said thanks, but no thanks muck

MAXALLY

Hi Dan

Just two questions -

1) Was your QQ suited? and
2) Was the other player TK as i believe he was at DTD this week end?

Actually, all joking apart, you know you are a dam fine player and it looks just like a cooler situation to me but like others above, I would of probably been cautious of the opponent hitting trips on that flop. Just put it down to experience!

BTW, what was the entrance fee for this tourney? I have promised myself a trip to DTD soon but my BR is not in great shape at the mo so need to pick wisely. I have played loads of pub live poker but need to get a feel for casino live poker this year. Any advice from yourself will be most welcome,

Cheers

offshoot

so what hands are people willing to stack off with here?

ACESOVER8s

I think it's a tough spot where i would have probably done the lot, he's a station and likley to call with the sugested range. The only hand your bothered about here is a set but he is just as likley to think A 10 is good as he is with a set. I know when he flips the cards and i see 10 10 then i'm gonna slap myself for not seeing the set, another player at the table makes this move i do prob fold to it but not him.

dantb10

Acesover, u are on the exact same line of thinking as i was in this hand.

namesb0nd

i play it the same,i believe you have done nothing wrong here,just got unlucky

YIPEEYAPEE

Well when you pot the flop you've backed him into a corner, so if he has flopped some speculative draw even a station can't call down, he has to jam. Same goes for all his pocket pairs, he can't call as no good cards for him on turn. Got to consider a stone cold bluff with a hand like AK, donks will do this, though possibility of the min 3bet pre so maybe it's not that. Having already dropped to 7k it's not even close for me, but QQ is also like the nuts to me, you've even got the redraw. So in answer from me I don't call, I insta call - that way everyone knows i can't fold a hand anyway

jakally

Pretty much player dependent Dan IMO, and given that you hadn't been at the table long enough to be certain of his range, it's pretty standard to stack off.

The only chance you had is if he is a genuine station who has shown no aggression (say with Top Pair) previously, and then all of a sudden he is shoving as many chips into a pot as he can.

dantb10

How long did you end up lasting jackally? didnt see you again after the interviews. I bet yourz was better than mine or you will have missed the first 4 levels of the tourny! lol

pryce6

I'm folding here and probably leaving myself a bit more behind as I wouldn't play it as aggressively. It's early on like you say so I'm raising to 200 and 3/4 potting the flop.

jakally

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How long did you end up lasting jackally? didnt see you again after the interviews. I bet yourz was better than mine or you will have missed the first 4 levels of the tourny! lol
Posted by dantb10

My interview was done in about 20 minutes - which probs makes it a lot worse than yours.

Went out of the tourney level 5 I think.

Had an accident QQ v AA.

After that had about £4k left. Really annoying drunk guy raises is to about 800 EP, serial caller in the CO callls, I look down at A9o in the BB and shove, RADG snap calls with...................6d3d.................first card 6, second card 3, GG,GG.

DAVEYZZ

In Response to Any advice or criticism welcome, what do you do in this spot?:

Ive also posted this in the strategy section, but not alot of people hang around there. It was a live tourny at DTD, 10,000 starting stack 30 minute clock. Still in first level, but im down to 7,000 after a fiasco with JJ previously. MR station limps in CO i have QQ on the button and make it 300 to go. (blinds 25/50) All fold except mr station who has played every pot, from any position. Flop is 10 5 2. He checks, i want to play this strong to get max value so i pot it. Mr station then re pops to 3k... i tank and think he has a hand like A10, k10, Q10, J10. I shove 4 my last 6k ish and he insta calls, and shows 10 10!!!!! I just wanted to know what people thort of how i played the hand, was it just a cooler, or should i let go and preserve my remaining 5,000 chips as its early? Any criticism or advice welcome. Cheers
Posted by dantb10

err like you need my advice.....but obviously you never put him on a bigger pair or set,(which is my biggest failing) when trying to read hands...it was hardv to let go of q in that hand and i would be thinking a/10 and thinking of doubling up early...

cheers adve

TommyD

Hey Dan

It's a bit of a cooler but remember that he is 'Mr Calling Station' and not 'Mr maniac check raise with bottom pair.'  He's clearly got excited about this hand and as calling stations very rarely check raise with air or marginals I think you can define his range down a bit.  I would suggest the only hand you are beating here is AT, he may have hit a Station spawny two pair or, as he had, a set.  I may well have done the same as you but I think with most of the range you are happy to be against here he would have called you down through the streets.

Tikay10

Mr Station - who was not me by the way - makes exactly the same play with A-T. Trust me, he does.

But you don't get off THAT lightly. What was you doing in the hand with a Medium Pair that early?

Way too loose, man, K-K minimum for me.

Anyway, that aside, I hope you enjoyed DTD. For Live Poker, it's the nuts.