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The Joys of PLO8

EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,597
edited August 2016 in Poker Chat

Some of you have already discovered the joys of Omaha Hi Lo on Sky Poker and the merry band of reprobates that play a game where you get dealt 4 cards and try and win 2 pots. Surely by simple maths this is 4 times as much fun as holdem!

In holdem there are 169 starting hands, in Omaha there are 16,432!! (Overuse of exclamation mark for Tikay's benefit)

In Omaha Hi Lo the Holy Grail of starting hands is AA23 with two suits, it ranks 1st out of 16,432 starting hands. This is a starting hand to die for, or at the very least to have a sharp intake of breath when you see it. After all you have a pair of aces, two nut flush draws, the nut low draw and the second nut low draw, what's not to like? Surely a dead cert winner, you would put your house on it wouldn't you? And the car and the wife.

Compare that to the hand ranked 14,112th (I looked that up too), 5h6d7s9h. It has an awful low draw, only one suit (which my Ah3h had absolutely crushed by the way) and the highest card was a 9. I'm sure Tikay once said never play a hand with a 9 in it.

So we go to war, David against Goliath, some peasant called Sparticus against the Garrisons of Rome, the mighty Russian army against some Afganistan sheep herders. It's a foregone conclusion surely? 

See below for the result, I'll be back playing soon..... honestly.  


Player
ActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Enut Small blind   300.00 300.00 1955.00
tikay1 Big blind   600.00 900.00 2095.00
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • 2
  • A
  • 3
     
vagasbin Fold     
xxxx                              Raise   1200.00 2100.00 375.00
Enut All-in   1955.00 4055.00 0.00
tikay1 Fold     
xxxx           All-in   375.00 4430.00 0.00
Enut Unmatched bet   680.00 3750.00 680.00
Enut Show
  • A
  • 2
  • A
  • 3
   
xxxx           Show
  • 6
  • 5
  • 7
  • 9
   
Flop
   
  • 7
  • K
  • 10
     
Turn
   
  • 8
     
River
   
  • 8
     
xxxx           Win high Straight to the 10 3750.00   3750.00
  No qualifying low hand    
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Comments

  • weecheez1weecheez1 Member Posts: 1,686
    edited August 2016
    That's why  we love poker especially plo8 (hope it wasn't me lol )

  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited August 2016
    That wasn't one of my efforts from last night was it? :D

    If so I would like to emphasise the importance of having the BTN and being in position!!!!! (some more !'s for Tikay I know how he loves them).

    If it wasn't me then very unlucky mate, opponent is obviously a complete donk :)
  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,617
    edited August 2016
    In Response to The Joys of PLO8:
    In Omaha Hi Lo the Holy Grail of starting hands is AA23 with two suits, it ranks 1st out of 16,432 starting hands. This is a starting hand to die for, or at the very least to have a sharp intake of breath when you see it. After all you have a pair of aces, two nut flush draws, the nut low draw and the second nut low draw, what's not to like? Surely a dead cert winner, 
    Posted by Enut

    Hi Tuney,
    Think you'll find in the hand posted you are really only circa 70/30? 

    UL tho and I'd prob need a new cat.  ;-) 
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,477
    edited August 2016
    9's are the new Aces.

  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited August 2016
    That has to go down as the most eloquent BBV post I have ever read.

    PS You were 52% to scoop, 61% for a high, 42% for a low. Overall equity 68%

    Oppo was 16% to scoop, 39% for a high, 12% for a low. Overall equity 32%.


  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,597
    edited August 2016
    Yes I know I was only about 70/30, that was partly the point of the post in that, unlike holdem, you are rarely that far in front! PLO8 can be much more about playing poker rather than waiting for cards.

    Yes Mark it was you. I think you had knocked me out of one shortly before that too, hitting a 3 outer or some such twaddle on the river. Have you no guilt or compassion? How do you sleep at night?

    Anyway enough of this, anyone for a PLO8 DYM?
  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited August 2016
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8:
    Yes I know I was only about 70/30, that was partly the point of the post in that, unlike holdem, you are rarely that far in front! PLO8 can be much more about playing poker rather than waiting for cards. Yes Mark it was you. I think you had knocked me out of one shortly before that too, hitting a 3 outer or some such twaddle on the river. Have you no guilt or compassion? How do you sleep at night? Anyway enough of this, anyone for a PLO8 DYM?
    Posted by Enut
    Haha no, generally sleep like a baby. It all evens out im told? :-p

    Regged for the games.

    Edit: I see we have a revenge game on, glgl :)
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,597
    edited August 2016
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8:
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8 : Haha no, generally sleep like a baby. It all evens out im told? :-p Regged for the games. Edit: I see we have a revenge game on, glgl :)
    Posted by markycash
    I was expecting an epic Ali v Foreman esc battle, but you seemed to leave early. Maybe next time.
  • ajmiltonajmilton Member Posts: 1,458
    edited August 2016
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8:
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8 : I was expecting an epic Ali v Foreman esc battle, but you seemed to leave early. Maybe next time.
    Posted by Enut
    Rubz

  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited August 2016
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8:
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8 : I was expecting an epic Ali v Foreman esc battle, but you seemed to leave early. Maybe next time.
    Posted by Enut
    Yes didn't go quite to plan that one. I see you built a nice stack though but missed the conclusion, hope it ended favourably :)
  • HENDRIK62HENDRIK62 Member Posts: 3,232
    edited August 2016
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8:
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8 : Yes didn't go quite to plan that one. I see you built a nice stack though but missed the conclusion, hope it ended favourably :)
    Posted by markycash

    You must know by now I am a total station.......your notes should read DO NOT BLUFF ;-)
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,597
    edited August 2016
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8:
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8 : Yes didn't go quite to plan that one. I see you built a nice stack though but missed the conclusion, hope it ended favourably :)
    Posted by markycash

    Yes, I think I did win that one, the games seem easier if you bust early, if you could consider doing that more often I would be most grateful.
  • Nannypat66Nannypat66 Member Posts: 141
    edited August 2016
    I played PLO8 for the very first time last Wednesday on the Freeroll
    game. I registered and didn't realise it was not Holdem.  Imagine my surprise
    when I received 4 cards.  After a couple of minutes I realised I was in a game I knew
    nothing about but I remembered somewhere seeing on the sky poker
    channel that you have to use 2 best cards from your hand. So off I started
    and about half way through the first hour I was doing okay.   Anyway it was quite enjoyable although I found I had to actually think a lot more which was a bit difficult
    for me lol.  Imagine my surprise then to finish 2nd.  Im sure it was more by luck than judgement but I really enjoyed playing so I might venture into some more PLO8
    in the future and see how I get on.

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,402
    edited August 2016
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8:
    I played PLO8 for the very first time last Wednesday on the Freeroll game. I registered and didn't realise it was not Holdem.  Imagine my surprise when I received 4 cards.  After a couple of minutes I realised I was in a game I knew nothing about but I remembered somewhere seeing on the sky poker channel that you have to use 2 best cards from your hand. So off I started and about half way through the first hour I was doing okay.   Anyway it was quite enjoyable although I found I had to actually think a lot more which was a bit difficult for me lol.  Imagine my surprise then to finish 2nd .  Im sure it was more by luck than judgement but I really enjoyed playing so I might venture into some more PLO8 in the future and see how I get on.
    Posted by Nannypat66
    Many congrats Pat - & you know I mean that.
     
    But here's the thing........

    I'm pretty sure that Freeroll was PLO, not PLO8.

    I'd like a quid for every time I've sat in a PLO game thinking it was PLO8, & vice-versa. I played a PLO Tourney once on 'Stars for 2 hours before I realised it was not PLO8, & so I was on the receiving end of so many chat box comments that were, err, less than complimentary.

    So PLEASE be careful if you plan to play any more PLO8. Or PLO.......


     
  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited August 2016
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8:
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8 : Many congrats Pat - & you know I mean that.   But here's the thing........ I'm pretty sure that Freeroll was PLO, not PLO8. I'd like a quid for every time I've sat in a PLO game thinking it was PLO8, & vice-versa. I played a PLO Tourney once on 'Stars for 2 hours before I realised it was not PLO8, & so I was on the receiving end of so many chat box comments that were, err, less than complimentary. So PLEASE be careful if you plan to play any more PLO8. Or PLO.......  
    Posted by Tikay10
    Done this for protracted periods myself until I wonder why the... I didn't get a split. Weird thing is I have often done okay during these lapses even though I have been playing entirely the wrong game.

    Congrats on the score Nanny!
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,402
    edited August 2016
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8:
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8 : Done this for protracted periods myself until I wonder why the... I didn't get a split. Weird thing is I have often done okay during these lapses even though I have been playing entirely the wrong game. Congrats on the score Nanny!
    Posted by markycash
    I sat in what was (I thought) a Big O cash game in Vegas, but which was actually PLO. I played the first hand as if it were O8, won a $700 pot, then immediately told the table I thought it was O8 or Big O, & promptly got up & moved to my correct table.

    All the players said "no worries, good luck M8". See "say what you mean"..... 
       
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    edited August 2016
    What is the best strategy for playing a flopped two pair as so often happens in hi lo.I think the high pair is easier to play than say 98 or 65.
    Obviously suits matter. Theres a good chance youre going to end up with no hi or lo if getting to the river.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,402
    edited August 2016
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8:
    What is the best strategy for playing a flopped two pair as so often happens in hi lo.I think the high pair is easier to play than say 98 or 65. Obviously suits matter. Theres a good chance youre going to end up with no hi or lo if getting to the river.
    Posted by chilling
    Depends on so many variables, chiefly, how many others in the pot, & what flop texture (high only, low only, etc).

    On a low only flop, multi-way, I pretty much throw 2 pair away. At BEST we are pulling for half the pot, & if wheel cards are being held everywhere, we can end up with zilch.

    I prefer a low-variance line in SNG's & DYM's, too, but the more "lively" sorts might well go with 2 pair.

    It's much clearer in PLO, however, but if we are multi-way - & we usually are - I much prefer top two, rather than bottom two, or top & bottom.    
     
  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited August 2016
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8:
    In Response to Re: The Joys of PLO8 : I sat in what was (I thought) a Big O cash game in Vegas, but which was actually PLO. I played the first hand as if it were O8, won a $700 pot, then immediately told the table I thought it was O8 or Big O, & promptly got up & moved to my correct table. All the players said "no worries, good luck M8". See "say what you mean".....     
    Posted by Tikay10
    lol, quality :D
  • Nannypat66Nannypat66 Member Posts: 141
    edited August 2016
    Okay its official I am Confused.com lol. 
    I thought they were all called PLO8 but I think you are right it was
    P.L.O.  You got to laugh. I thought they were the same game.
    Oh well  maybe its time to look at some videos.   

    Good luck whatever you play

    Nannypat66

     
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