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Thoughts on holding an Omaha Festival on Skypoker?

Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
edited November 2016 in Poker Chat
Shame an £11 PLO8 couldnt have sneaked its way in though to the UKOPS schedule.

Only negative from me and I must applaud the new mini series and leaderboard.

If the suits do not like mixing PLO(8) in with the UKOPS - how about a mini 2/3 day omaha festival one time - might bring in outside players to the site with a bit of social media and word of mouth build up?

edit:We have had a few circular debates in the past about regular larger BI PLO(8) tourneys. The suggestion is to have a one-off festival of OH events to see if it will get some people to try the format and hopefully attract people from other sites to a growing OH community here.

Ideas for the festival welcome, but also particularly interested in people who would want to play some smaller events, or try the main events if there was a one off festival with a range of larger and smaller Omaha and Omaha Hi-Lo events (hopefully it will be repeated if successful).

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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,307
    edited October 2016

    Quite possible, yes, & it's a shame nothing could be squeezed into UKOPS, but there is now additional O8 Tourneys, so we are getting there slowly.

    Think they need to get through October & November first though, the new MTT Schedule, both UKOPS, with their Leaderboards, & maybe some other stuff is quite a handful & will need all hands on deck.
     
    Been a lot of changes of late, most of them very good imo, so let's give them a bit of time.
     
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2016
    I try not to be greedy on the PLO8 for UKOPS requests, just one £11 event means at least one person gets to be "UKOPS PLO8" champion. 

    When run at a decent start time it has beat a £1k guarantee before. As well as the plopper community, leaderboard chasers will give it a go too. But that horse has bolted again so the idea of this thread is to promote an OH festival.

    Maybe just a 2 night jobbie, one for OH and one for OH8.

    Not too ambitious on buys in or guarantees but a title to go for and maybe something to create a buzz in the online world that Sky is a good place to play Omaha. Wont ever get the numbers of the "big site" but agree that much has improved and being the 2nd best for numbers and easily the best for playing experience would attract plenty of OH enthisiasts (imo).

    The likes of Markycash who have plenty of experience of other sites and seem to like it here are probably better placed to comment.





  • suzy666suzy666 Member Posts: 221
    edited October 2016
    during the last 2 UKOPS, I believe the £11 PL08 covered its 1K GT.

    The £55 PLO last time didn't.

    FWIW I could be wrong, but that's what I remembered.

    Quite how the mini UKOPS doesn't have SEVERAL (ie 1 a week) PL08 T's is bizarre-just lower the GTs.
  • HENDRIK62HENDRIK62 Member Posts: 3,232
    edited October 2016
    In Response to Re: Omaha Festival:
    during the last 2 UKOPS, I believe the £11 PL08 covered its 1K GT. The £55 PLO last time didn't. FWIW I could be wrong, but that's what I remembered. Quite how the mini UKOPS doesn't have SEVERAL (ie 1 a week) PL08 T's is bizarre-just lower the GTs.
    Posted by suzy666

    yes and yes
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2016
    Within a UKOPS...

    I suspect* the fear is that most ploppers will take a stab at NL UKOPS events (after all most of us play both to some degree) but few NL players will take a punt at a PLO(8) event, especially if multi-tabling several NL events and one OH event.

    But having one would keep a vocal minority happy while not really affecting the NL community. Some NL players might give it a try out of curiousity or for league points and most would avoid. If the guarantee is low and met where is the harm?

    For a Omaha Series...

    I think there is a higher chance that more NL players will give it a try. Obviously there isnt much value to Sky in simply converting existing players from one format to another. The aim of a Omaha festival really is to try and bring new players to the site. 

    You would have some flexibility to try some new things, might be a time to try a NLO or NLO8 bounty hunter?






    * Just speculating - as we never get an explanation as to why there isn't one, even when there have been some and have had guarantees met in the past. Are the NL numbers down when a PLO8 event runs? Maybe someone somewhere has evidence that 1xPLO8 tounrey being on affects revenue negatively during a UKOPS? We know we are a minority interest group but that doesnt necessarily make it good business to ignore us. In case it needs stating I do not mean Tikay there.


  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,476
    edited October 2016
    In Response to Re: Omaha Festival:
    Within a UKOPS... I suspect* the fear is that most ploppers will take a stab at NL UKOPS events (after all most of us play both to some degree) but few NL players will take a punt at a PLO(8) event, especially if multi-tabling several NL events and one OH event. But having one would keep a vocal minority happy while not really affecting the NL community. Some NL players might give it a try out of curiousity or for league points and most would avoid. If the guarantee is low and met where is the harm? For a Omaha Series... I think there is a higher chance that more NL players will give it a try. Obviously there isnt much value to Sky in simply converting existing players from one format to another. The aim of a Omaha festival really is to try and bring new players to the site.  You would have some flexibility to try some new things, might be a time to try a NLO or NLO8 bounty hunter? * Just speculating - as we never get an explanation as to why there isn't one, even when there have been some and have had guarantees met in the past. Are the NL numbers down when a PLO8 event runs? Maybe someone somewhere has evidence that 1xPLO8 tounrey being on affects revenue negatively during a UKOPS? We know we are a minority interest group but that doesnt necessarily make it good business to ignore us. In case it needs stating I do not mean Tikay there.
    Posted by Phantom66
    No UKOPS for me this time. :-(


  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,307
    edited October 2016
    In Response to Re: Omaha Festival:
    Within a UKOPS... I suspect* the fear is that most ploppers will take a stab at NL UKOPS events (after all most of us play both to some degree) but few NL players will take a punt at a PLO(8) event, especially if multi-tabling several NL events and one OH event. But having one would keep a vocal minority happy while not really affecting the NL community. Some NL players might give it a try out of curiousity or for league points and most would avoid. If the guarantee is low and met where is the harm? For a Omaha Series... I think there is a higher chance that more NL players will give it a try. Obviously there isnt much value to Sky in simply converting existing players from one format to another. The aim of a Omaha festival really is to try and bring new players to the site.  You would have some flexibility to try some new things, might be a time to try a NLO or NLO8 bounty hunter? * Just speculating - as we never get an explanation as to why there isn't one, even when there have been some and have had guarantees met in the past. Are the NL numbers down when a PLO8 event runs? Maybe someone somewhere has evidence that 1xPLO8 tounrey being on affects revenue negatively during a UKOPS? We know we are a minority interest group but that doesnt necessarily make it good business to ignore us. In case it needs stating I do not mean Tikay there.
    Posted by Phantom66

    Think that's a little unfair POTO.

    I generally try to answer all reasonably phrased questions.*

    I discussed this matter with James & Sam a month or two ago when the Schedule was being constructed. It was not that a PLO8 would not make it's Guarantee, not at all. It was just that other, more popular events, would have to make way for it. I would (at a guess) think that 95% of the Site player base don't have any or much interest in the 4 card game.

    Fingers crossed they may find room in the next UKOPS though.
     
    Note there is already a £5,000 PLO event in UKOPS XVII.
     
    Fact is, not all of us can have exactly what we want in these things. I'm as sad as anyone about it, but it is what it is.
     
    *Unless they have multiple question marks &/or exclamation marks appended. I generally avoid replying to them, as I don't like the notion that people think I'm dumb & can't read properly, or have eyes that miss the first one but might see the second one. Even thinking about it irritates me. AND DON'T UPSET ME ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON.     

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,307
    edited October 2016
    In Response to Re: Omaha Festival:
    Within a UKOPS... I suspect* the fear is that most ploppers will take a stab at NL UKOPS events (after all most of us play both to some degree) but few NL players will take a punt at a PLO(8) event, especially if multi-tabling several NL events and one OH event. But having one would keep a vocal minority happy while not really affecting the NL community. Some NL players might give it a try out of curiousity or for league points and most would avoid. If the guarantee is low and met where is the harm? For a Omaha Series... I think there is a higher chance that more NL players will give it a try. Obviously there isnt much value to Sky in simply converting existing players from one format to another. The aim of a Omaha festival really is to try and bring new players to the site.  You would have some flexibility to try some new things, might be a time to try a NLO or NLO8 bounty hunter? * Just speculating - as we never get an explanation as to why there isn't one, even when there have been some and have had guarantees met in the past. Are the NL numbers down when a PLO8 event runs? Maybe someone somewhere has evidence that 1xPLO8 tounrey being on affects revenue negatively during a UKOPS? We know we are a minority interest group but that doesnt necessarily make it good business to ignore us. In case it needs stating I do not mean Tikay there.
    Posted by Phantom66
    Well they just revved up the regular PLO8 Schedule, did they not? Those players I spoke to about it said it was much better than before.
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2016
    In Response to Re: Omaha Festival:
    In Response to Re: Omaha Festival : Think that's a little unfair POTO. I generally try to answer all reasonably phrased questions.* I discussed this matter with James & Sam a month or two ago when the Schedule was being constructed. It was not that a PLO8 would not make it's Guarantee, not at all. It was just that other, more popular events, would have to make way for it. I would (at a guess) think that 95% of the Site player base don't have any or much interest in the 4 card game. Fingers crossed they may find room in the next UKOPS though.   Note there is already a £5,000 PLO event in UKOPS XVII.   Fact is, not all of us can have exactly what we want in these things. I'm as sad as anyone about it, but it is what it is.   *Unless they have multiple question marks &/or exclamation marks appended. I generally avoid replying to them, as I don't like the notion that people think I'm dumb & can't read properly, or have eyes that miss the first one but might see the second one. Even thinking about it irritates me. AND DON'T UPSET ME ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON.     
    Posted by Tikay10
    Thanks for that Tikay, but that is genuinely the first time I can remember that particular reasoning. You do always communicate and often bear the brunt of an unpopular decision you did not make. Not inteding to upset you Tikay, I cant remember ever making a negative post about you. 95% of the time I am highly supportive of the site in general, 5% I amy disagree but try to make a reasoned arguement and make positive suggestions.

    I cant see much of a reaction happening if one of the many mini NL B/Hs was dropped but you always get a reaction when there is no PLO8 event. The precedent was set, the guarantee was met, then it was dropped again, 2 UKOPS running.

    Rather than having the usual debate however, my motive for this thread was to offer a positive alternative and I deiberately started a different thread as I did not want to derail the mini leaderboard thread which is a fantastic addition.

    Have a good weekend. Might see you at a PLO8 table and if I do rest assured not a word will be typed about UKOPS PLO8 events. Promise.


  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2016
    Meanwhile if any other ploppers want to post in support of a UKOPS PLO8 or a Omaha festival please do.

    At the moment I feel even more in the minority than the UKOPS schedule did.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,307
    edited October 2016

    POTO,

    You never upset me, not at all, 

    Just having bants mate.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,307
    edited October 2016

    ....though if you had appended multiple punctuation you might have.....
  • MrWh1teMrWh1te Member Posts: 963
    edited October 2016
    If there was a cheap plo festival, maybe over 3 days, I would play as many as possible within my bankroll (£2.20 and below for normal with the odd more expensive one thrown in).

    I do enjoy the game, I play it less than I should mainly because I multi-table quite a few games a night when I play, and most are NLHE.  Then I get mixed up between games.  If there was a festival where I could play maybe 4 games, I would be able to drop the NLHE and play the other for a while.

    I guess this is what the suits want to avoid though
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,307
    edited October 2016
    In Response to Re: Omaha Festival:
    If there was a cheap plo festival, maybe over 3 days, I would play as many as possible within my bankroll (£2.20 and below for normal with the odd more expensive one thrown in). I do enjoy the game, I play it less than I should mainly because I multi-table quite a few games a night when I play, and most are NLHE.  Then I get mixed up between games.  If there was a festival where I could play maybe 4 games, I would be able to drop the NLHE and play the other for a while. I guess this is what the suits want to avoid though
    Posted by MrWh1te
    I see no reason why that can't happen.

    I'll certainly suggest, to happen between now & Xmas.

    I'll let everyone know what they say. Pretty sure they will do it. 

     
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,307
    edited October 2016
    In Response to Re: Omaha Festival:
    Are we talking different tournies, or quarters and semis leading to a final? There are many new players plopping as far as I can make out, but there is a touch of churn also.
    Posted by chilling
    I'm afraid you've lost me there. Can you re-phrase that, please?
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2016
    My thought was something like....

    All pot limit tourneys
    33 main
    11 side
    5 mini
    2 micro

    Plus maybe for fun a 3 NL bounty hunter

    If we are feeling ambitious maybe a 110 high roller
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2016
    In Response to Re: Omaha Festival:
    If there was a cheap plo festival, maybe over 3 days, I would play as many as possible within my bankroll (£2.20 and below for normal with the odd more expensive one thrown in). I do enjoy the game, I play it less than I should mainly because I multi-table quite a few games a night when I play, and most are NLHE.  Then I get mixed up between games.  If there was a festival where I could play maybe 4 games, I would be able to drop the NLHE and play the other for a while. I guess this is what the suits want to avoid though
    Posted by MrWh1te

    We have that every thursday in plo8 so my plan was to get bigger fields and some higher buyins. I would play plo as well as plo8 but not on the same night. 

  • MrWh1teMrWh1te Member Posts: 963
    edited October 2016

    Yeah but that's a weekly thing that I cant commit to as weekdays are bad, (I'm a teacher).

    A one-off I would.  And weekends I would :)

    I am of course, only thinking of me :)

  • churchy18churchy18 Member Posts: 1,850
    edited October 2016
    In Response to Re: Omaha Festival:
    In Response to Re: Omaha Festival : No UKOPS for me this time. :-(
    Posted by VespaPX


    +1 
  • weecheez1weecheez1 Member Posts: 1,686
    edited October 2016
    anything that brings more players to the table has got to be good but i think the buy ins would have to be quite low as people that just want to try it out wouldnt want to waste too much money on something they are not to sure about on saying that i would like to see a flagship tournament of say £33 that you could satelite into like the regular games that run through the weeks in nlh
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