I admire the enthusiasm but what's more important is how many runners the current plo mtts are getting. Sunday night's £100 £5.50 hi-lo game only got 16 runners. I don't think there are enough ploppers who would play for £11+ right now. Posted by Sky__James
to be fair james the last 3 ukops have in the combined totals beaten the set guarentee and tbf the last 2(plo included) that missed badly never had much chance with the start times 5pm was always going to struggle think tikay might even have missed that one if i remember right.
ukops16 march 06
6pm - £1,000 Pot Limit Omaha, 71 runners, £290 overlay
£1,000 UKOPS Omaha Rebuy 78 runners not sure if gtd met
£1,000 UKOPS Omaha Hi Lo £11 132 runners
£2,000 UKOPS Omaha 68 runners not sure if gtd was met
£1,000 UKOPS Omaha Bounty Hunter £11 112 runners
Think there could have been 1 sqeezed in about 7/7.30 one night but no point complaining pretty sure james will help with trying to get this idea off the ground.
But not really sure how a festival would work tbh as james says the game is struggling just now the thursday night games have even slowed down even now when you would have thought they would be picking up again don't think the schedule change has helped either.
Less games only 1 £1.10 game at night now getting about 30 when they had gone upto 40 50 in the 7.50 game and about 30 in the 9.20 game both dipped a bit in the summer but still had 60-80 entries combined.
the £5.50 game always struggle for as long as i can remember playing pl08 i thought getting the late reg changed from 20 mins to 30 would help but that has not made any difference.
Then on thursday the now it is very confusing with the way all the games are you have got
7.45 £1.10 fosp£50gtd
7.45 £3.30 £50gtd
8.15 pl08 £1.10£20gtd
8.15 £5.50 fosp £150gtd
8.30 £5.50 £100gtd
8.45 £2.20 fosp£100gtd
9.15 £1.10 fosp game£50gtd
But having less games on offer is not going to help attract or keep players there is £11& £16 dyms running now not to many but they never even used to be there before tikay asked for them but now run most nights well the nights tikay is on taking our money :}.
In Response to Re: Thoughts on holding an Omaha Festival on Skypoker? : to be fair james the last 3 ukops have in the combined totals beaten the set guarentee and tbf the last 2 that missed badly never had much chance with the start times 5pm was always going to struggle think tikay might even have missed that one if i remember right. Think there could have been 1 squeezed in about 7/7.30 one night and it would have got the gtd even those that dont play often would have played as it was just a one of ukops game. ukops16 march 06 6pm - £1,000 Pot Limit Omaha, 71 runners, £290 overlay 5pm - £11 PLO8, £1,000 Guarantee 75 runners, missed guarantee by £250 ukops 15 dec 2015 £1,000 UKOPS PLO £11 91 runners £1,000 UKOPS PLO8 £11 97 runners ukops 14 nov 2015 no start times for these. £2,000 UKOPS Omaha £11 97 runners £5,000 UKOPS 4 Omaha £55 117 runners £1,000 UKOPS Omaha Rebuy 78 runners not sure if gtd met £1,000 UKOPS Omaha Hi Lo £11 132 runners £2,000 UKOPS Omaha 68 runners not sure if gtd was met £1,000 UKOPS Omaha Bounty Hunter £11 112 runners Think there could have been 1 sqeezed in about 7/7.30 one night but no point complaining pretty sure james will help with trying to get this idea off the ground. But not really sure how a festival would work tbh as james says the game is struggling just now the thursday night games have even slowed down even now when you would have thought they would be picking up again don't think the schedule change has helped either. Less games only 1 £1.10 game at night now getting about 30 when they had gone upto 40 50 in the 7.50 game and about 30 in the 9.20 game both dipped a bit in the summer but still had 60-80 entries combined. the £5.50 game always struggle for as long as i can remember playing pl08 i thought getting the late reg changed from 20 mins to 30 would help but that has not made any difference. Then on thursday the now it is very confusing with the way all the games are you have got 7.45 £1.10 fosp£50gtd 7.45 £3.30 £50gtd 8.15 pl08 £1.10£20gtd 8.15 £5.50 fosp £150gtd 8.30 £5.50 £100gtd 8.45 £2.20 fosp£100gtd 9.15 £1.10 fosp game£50gtd But having less games on offer is not going to help attract or keep players there is £11& £16 dyms running now not to many but they never even used to be there before tikay asked for them but now run most nights well the nights tikay is on taking our money :}. Hope you get it going i will join in. Posted by churchy18
Some interesting things in there. I didn't think the PLO 5K met its GT last time but meh. Such things may be difficult to calculate since many of those larger T's gain entrants from all in sats.
Clearly if there was a one off £11 PL08 T then timing is critical. 2030 on a thurs is the best and worst time for PL08 players unless a league sacrafice was to be made. TK did make a fair point earlier regarding sky's support to the league, and the added incentive to play with the free seat offer-which can be won by almost anyone on a thurs eve.
As for the regular 2025 £5.50 game; I think the thing that puts most people off is the variance. It regularly plays only 3 places and as such its very difficult for any of the less able players to take part. A hard core group of regs make it tough to profit.
Why not either lower the GT on quietier nights or switch it to a £3.30?
Thanks Churchy, I remember that first ever UKOPs PLO8 event that smashed the guarantee. It was originally scheduled for a 5/530 start and we asked on the forum if it could be moved. It was to 7/730 and did really well.
One thing about the whole age demographic, people who switch to OH in their 40s can go on playing for years, decades even if you take Tikay as an example.
RE:The £5 2025, maybe the 15% payout structure will make a difference? One other annoying factor is when tourneys with payouts that are only for 3/4 get held up pointlessly by FT bubble hand for hand play. Not saying it affects entry levels, but just thought I would mention it.
In Response to Re: Thoughts on holding an Omaha Festival on Skypoker? : to be fair james the last 3 ukops have in the combined totals beaten the set guarentee and tbf the last 2(plo included) that missed badly never had much chance with the start times 5pm was always going to struggle think tikay might even have missed that one if i remember right. Think there could have been 1 squeezed in about 7/7.30 one night and it would have got the gtd even those that dont play often would have played as it was just a one of ukops game. ukops16 march 06 6pm - £1,000 Pot Limit Omaha, 71 runners, £290 overlay 5pm - £11 PLO8, £1,000 Guarantee 75 runners, missed guarantee by £250 ukops 15 dec 2015 £1,000 UKOPS PLO £11 91 runners £1,000 UKOPS PLO8 £11 97 runners ukops 14 nov 2015 no start times for these. £2,000 UKOPS Omaha £11 97 runners £5,000 UKOPS 4 Omaha £55 117 runners £1,000 UKOPS Omaha Rebuy 78 runners not sure if gtd met £1,000 UKOPS Omaha Hi Lo £11 132 runners £2,000 UKOPS Omaha 68 runners not sure if gtd was met £1,000 UKOPS Omaha Bounty Hunter £11 112 runners Think there could have been 1 sqeezed in about 7/7.30 one night but no point complaining pretty sure james will help with trying to get this idea off the ground. But not really sure how a festival would work tbh as james says the game is struggling just now the thursday night games have even slowed down even now when you would have thought they would be picking up again don't think the schedule change has helped either. Less games only 1 £1.10 game at night now getting about 30 when they had gone upto 40 50 in the 7.50 game and about 30 in the 9.20 game both dipped a bit in the summer but still had 60-80 entries combined. the £5.50 game always struggle for as long as i can remember playing pl08 i thought getting the late reg changed from 20 mins to 30 would help but that has not made any difference. Then on thursday the now it is very confusing with the way all the games are you have got 7.45 £1.10 fosp£50gtd 7.45 £3.30 £50gtd 8.15 pl08 £1.10£20gtd 8.15 £5.50 fosp £150gtd 8.30 £5.50 £100gtd 8.45 £2.20 fosp£100gtd 9.15 £1.10 fosp game£50gtd But having less games on offer is not going to help attract or keep players there is £11& £16 dyms running now not to many but they never even used to be there before tikay asked for them but now run most nights well the nights tikay is on taking our money :}. Hope you get it going i will join in. Posted by churchy18
really agree with this Brian, the last few weeks since the change came in has indeed been confusing, YES they are labelled FOSP however it would IMHO benefit from a tweak... even taking the tourney details for the spreadsheets I've had to do a couple of doubletakes (could be old age, bad eyesight or both I suppose) but is also the reason I now post up the tourney links in the thread each week
I also remember the days of the OMAHARTIGAN leagues in the good old days of Play The Presenter, and if anything like this was to be brought back I would be happy to do tables and the like could even have a mix of PLO & PLO8
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I've just checked back on the numbers for the last one and there were 394 differebt players who played in it, and that was down to promoting on the forum FB groups and the like ........ Build it and they will come
Noticed that the FOSP Tournament on Sunday didn't happen this week.
It was getting about 20 - 25 runners, usually about five at the scheduled start time but quickly filling up. I had missed the last two weeks so not sure if they happened or not but it is a shame if this has gone out of the schedule permanently.
I used to record the results most weeks on FOSP Facebook page so have some of the numbers:
28 August - 20 Players
21 August - 16 Players
14 August - 13 Players
7 August - 23 Players
31 July - 14 Players
24 July - 12 Players
10 July - 17 Players
3 July - 23 Players
19 June - 25 Players
12 June - 25 Players
5 June - 24 Players
Not sure if this has now been removed permanently or whether it was based upon a poor turn out for one or two weeks.
Thanks Churchy, I remember that first ever UKOPs PLO8 event that smashed the guarantee. It was originally scheduled for a 5/530 start and we asked on the forum if it could be moved. It was to 7/730 and did really well. One thing about the whole age demographic, people who switch to OH in their 40s can go on playing for years, decades even if you take Tikay as an example. RE:The £5 2025, maybe the 15% payout structure will make a difference? One other annoying factor is when tourneys with payouts that are only for 3/4 get held up pointlessly by FT bubble hand for hand play. Not saying it affects entry levels, but just thought I would mention it. Posted by Phantom66
Finally, now I understand why Jackson has been dabbling with/donating to 4 card poker.
"Most that do play OH are generally "poker enthusiasts" who got a bit bored with the NL all-in-preflop affairs" Bet you were really bored tonight Posted by Jac35
Well you have to have played alot of all-in pre hands to get bored of them so it helps you play a 10bb stack when you need to.
Phantom suggested chucking my tuppence in so after reading through the thread I will
Firstly the positives...
The OH8 community on here is brilliant, the only other place I see comparable discussion on OH8 is on 2+2 and they are drawing people in from all sites. It is also a very welcoming community and for these 2 reasons, plus others, I will make sure to play plenty on Sky, albeit with interludes where I go AWOL due to having far more committments than I can be bothered with off the tables.
The strong community IMO is down to Mr T putting the hours in on the DYM tables, being helpful on the forums and being a great ambassador for not just OH8 but the site in general (so no gripes I ever have are directed at him, the forum is extremely lucky to have him IMO). The efforts of Churchy, Scouse, Aussie et al also help immensley and the way the ploppers behave on the tables is on the whole very welcoming to new players.
I also hear that positive tweaks have been made to the OH8 schedule which is great.
As for a mini OH8 festival... Brilliant idea (but then I would say that as I love OH8 lol)
I don't think it would detract much from the NLHE game. From my experience it isnt a case that OH8 gets promoted so NLHE players switch to OH8 and suddenly abandon NLHE, sure a few might, but most don't IMO. Instead a lot who play will be either ploppers who add additional games to their sessions, NLHE players adding additional games to their sessions or players playing them who might not otherwise be playing.
I personally think small tweaks here and there may have a positive impact but probably one with a bit of a 'glass ceiling'. I agree fully that there is an opportunity to exploit a niche market at the moment and make Sky a 'go to place' for OH8.
To hit that target though would probably require a very determined and concerted effort. Sorting the rake situation on the PLO/OH8 cash tables for example or even just having the PLO/OH8 tables on a permanent 2X player point 'happy hour' to draw steady traffic to them. Maybe introducing a daily £1 rebuy, and adding an additional PLO/OH8 freeroll set up outwith the current loyalty program to get new players trying the game. IMO those measures and a few more would grow a more diverse client base without negatively impacting on the NLHE crew.
At the end of the day though it depends what the suits priorities are. The promos here are IMO generous and imaginative and I thoroughly enjoy playing here whether they decide PLO/OH8 is an area they want to strengthen or not.
Phantom suggested chucking my tuppence in so after reading through the thread I will Firstly the positives... The OH8 community on here is brilliant, the only other place I see comparable discussion on OH8 is on 2+2 and they are drawing people in from all sites. It is also a very welcoming community and for these 2 reasons, plus others, I will make sure to play plenty on Sky, albeit with interludes where I go AWOL due to having far more committments than I can be bothered with off the tables. The strong community IMO is down to Mr T putting the hours in on the DYM tables, being helpful on the forums and being a great ambassador for not just OH8 but the site in general (so no gripes I ever have are directed at him, the forum is extremely lucky to have him IMO). The efforts of Churchy, Scouse, Aussie et al also help immensley and the way the ploppers behave on the tables is on the whole very welcoming to new players. I also hear that positive tweaks have been made to the OH8 schedule which is great. As for a mini OH8 festival... Brilliant idea (but then I would say that as I love OH8 lol) I don't think it would detract much from the NLHE game. From my experience it isnt a case that OH8 gets promoted so NLHE players switch to OH8 and suddenly abandon NLHE, sure a few might, but most don't IMO. Instead a lot who play will be either ploppers who add additional games to their sessions, NLHE players adding additional games to their sessions or players playing them who might not otherwise be playing. I personally think small tweaks here and there may have a positive impact but probably one with a bit of a 'glass ceiling'. I agree fully that there is an opportunity to exploit a niche market at the moment and make Sky a 'go to place' for OH8. To hit that target though would probably require a very determined and concerted effort. Sorting the rake situation on the PLO/OH8 cash tables for example or even just having the PLO/OH8 tables on a permanent 2X player point 'happy hour' to draw steady traffic to them. Maybe introducing a daily £1 rebuy, and adding an additional PLO/OH8 freeroll set up outwith the current loyalty program to get new players trying the game. IMO those measures and a few more would grow a more diverse client base without negatively impacting on the NLHE crew. At the end of the day though it depends what the suits priorities are. The promos here are IMO generous and imaginative and I thoroughly enjoy playing here whether they decide PLO/OH8 is an area they want to strengthen or not. Posted by markycash
Thanks for posting. Some great points there marky.
I am glad that with your experience elsewhere you believe that sky could become a "go to" place for OH8.
Hope it happens, we can all help. I dont expect a chunk of marketing budget, or large guarantees or anything like that, but I think a mini festival would be a showcase for players already on the site and an attraction for others with a bit of social media/word of mouth. E.g. a Tikay blog, Neli Channing in as part of challenge channing tweetign about it. Players here posting on other forums etc.
Maybe try something different like a NLO bounty hunter too or a small rebuy/re-entry.
so this thread has went a bit dead and no one mentioned the £5000 plo ukops game it missed its gtd by quite a chunk when you consider sky gave £1000 of that gtd away in tickets in the rewards freeroll.
Cant see why there was no pl08 event not much that we ask for a £1000 £11 buy in which has met and surpassed its gtd except 1 time when it kicked off at 5pm if there was £1000 of pl0 seats given away why not have a £1000 pl08 event no seat s would need to be given away if it gets a decent start time would easilly get the gtd met
The PLO this time was 4 seats short, £220. It was on Halloween which probably affected numbers a bit plus a £55 is a bit rich for most. I really wanted to play and was lucky enough to get in via satellite (which also had overlay which the suits wont have liked).
Seats are being given away via the rewards FR to al ot of events, some of which would have covered anyway and others may have been helped over the line.
I would like to see one PLO and one PLO8 £22 in a UKOPS schedule, put on at decent times with satellites and I expect both would cover.
Neither would be seen as a priority for the suits and I fully understand why given the volumes the NL and especially the B/Hs are making.
Still think the mini OH festival has possibilities so it doesnt become a NL v OH debate which OH will always lose.
Every single PLO8 game on a Thursday night consistently overlays so I've reduced the guarantees. If it can't reach £50 or £100 guarantees how do you expect it to reach £1000?
so this thread has went a bit dead and no one mentioned the £5000 plo ukops game it missed its gtd by quite a chunk when you consider sky gave £1000 of that gtd away in tickets in the rewards freeroll. Cant see why there was no pl08 event not much that we ask for a £1000 £11 buy in which has met and surpassed its gtd except 1 time when it kicked off at 5pm if there was £1000 of pl0 seats given away why not have a £1000 pl08 event no seat s would need to be given away if it gets a decent start time would easilly get the gtd met Hopefully it will return in the xmas ukops. Posted by churchy18
The PLO this time was 4 seats short, £220. It was on Halloween which probably affected numbers a bit plus a £55 is a bit rich for most. I really wanted to play and was lucky enough to get in via satellite (which also had overlay which the suits wont have liked). Seats are being given away via the rewards FR to al ot of events, some of which would have covered anyway and others may have been helped over the line. I would like to see one PLO and one PLO8 £22 in a UKOPS schedule, put on at decent times with satellites and I expect both would cover. Neither would be seen as a priority for the suits and I fully understand why given the volumes the NL and especially the B/Hs are making. Still think the mini OH festival has possibilities so it doesnt become a NL v OH debate which OH will always lose. Posted by Phantom66
That could be arranged very easily, but personally I'd not be prepared to ask them to put any Guarantees on it.
Every single PLO8 game on a Thursday night consistently overlays so I've reduced the guarantees. If it can't reach £50 or £100 guarantees how do you expect it to reach £1000? Posted by Sky__James
That's not good, especially bearing in mind that on top of the overlay, Sky Poker also give away a lot of Freebies arising from these.
As everyone knows, I'm a big fan of PLO & PLO8, & I think Sky Poker have tried hard to help (as have folks like Brian), but they can't keep throwing good money after bad.
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ukops16 march 06
6pm - £1,000 Pot Limit Omaha, 71 runners, £290 overlay
5pm - £11 PLO8, £1,000 Guarantee75 runners, missed guarantee by £250
ukops 15 dec 2015
£1,000 UKOPS PLO £11 91 runners
£1,000 UKOPS PLO8 £11 97 runners
ukops 14 nov 2015 no start times for these.
£2,000 UKOPS Omaha £11 97 runners
£5,000 UKOPS 4 Omaha £55 117 runners
£1,000 UKOPS Omaha Rebuy 78 runners not sure if gtd met
£1,000 UKOPS Omaha Hi Lo £11 132 runners
£2,000 UKOPS Omaha 68 runners not sure if gtd was met
£1,000 UKOPS Omaha Bounty Hunter £11 112 runners
Think there could have been 1 sqeezed in about 7/7.30 one night but no point complaining pretty sure james will help with trying to get this idea off the ground.
But not really sure how a festival would work tbh as james says the game is struggling just now the thursday night games have even slowed down even now when you would have thought they would be picking up again don't think the schedule change has helped either.
Less games only 1 £1.10 game at night now getting about 30 when they had gone upto 40 50 in the 7.50 game and about 30 in the 9.20 game both dipped a bit in the summer but still had 60-80 entries combined.
the £5.50 game always struggle for as long as i can remember playing pl08 i thought getting the late reg changed from 20 mins to 30 would help but that has not made any difference.
Then on thursday the now it is very confusing with the way all the games are you have got
7.45 £1.10 fosp£50gtd
7.45 £3.30 £50gtd
8.15 pl08 £1.10£20gtd
8.15 £5.50 fosp £150gtd
8.30 £5.50 £100gtd
8.45 £2.20 fosp£100gtd
9.15 £1.10 fosp game£50gtd
But having less games on offer is not going to help attract or keep players there is £11& £16 dyms running now not to many but they never even used to be there before tikay asked for them but now run most nights well the nights tikay is on taking our money :}.
Hope you get it going i will join in.
Clearly if there was a one off £11 PL08 T then timing is critical. 2030 on a thurs is the best and worst time for PL08 players unless a league sacrafice was to be made.
TK did make a fair point earlier regarding sky's support to the league, and the added incentive to play with the free seat offer-which can be won by almost anyone on a thurs eve.
As for the regular 2025 £5.50 game; I think the thing that puts most people off is the variance. It regularly plays only 3 places and as such its very difficult for any of the less able players to take part. A hard core group of regs make it tough to profit.
Why not either lower the GT on quietier nights or switch it to a £3.30?
Firstly the positives...
The OH8 community on here is brilliant, the only other place I see comparable discussion on OH8 is on 2+2 and they are drawing people in from all sites. It is also a very welcoming community and for these 2 reasons, plus others, I will make sure to play plenty on Sky, albeit with interludes where I go AWOL due to having far more committments than I can be bothered with off the tables.
The strong community IMO is down to Mr T putting the hours in on the DYM tables, being helpful on the forums and being a great ambassador for not just OH8 but the site in general (so no gripes I ever have are directed at him, the forum is extremely lucky to have him IMO). The efforts of Churchy, Scouse, Aussie et al also help immensley and the way the ploppers behave on the tables is on the whole very welcoming to new players.
I also hear that positive tweaks have been made to the OH8 schedule which is great.
As for a mini OH8 festival... Brilliant idea (but then I would say that as I love OH8 lol)
I don't think it would detract much from the NLHE game. From my experience it isnt a case that OH8 gets promoted so NLHE players switch to OH8 and suddenly abandon NLHE, sure a few might, but most don't IMO. Instead a lot who play will be either ploppers who add additional games to their sessions, NLHE players adding additional games to their sessions or players playing them who might not otherwise be playing.
I personally think small tweaks here and there may have a positive impact but probably one with a bit of a 'glass ceiling'. I agree fully that there is an opportunity to exploit a niche market at the moment and make Sky a 'go to place' for OH8.
To hit that target though would probably require a very determined and concerted effort. Sorting the rake situation on the PLO/OH8 cash tables for example or even just having the PLO/OH8 tables on a permanent 2X player point 'happy hour' to draw steady traffic to them. Maybe introducing a daily £1 rebuy, and adding an additional PLO/OH8 freeroll set up outwith the current loyalty program to get new players trying the game. IMO those measures and a few more would grow a more diverse client base without negatively impacting on the NLHE crew.
At the end of the day though it depends what the suits priorities are. The promos here are IMO generous and imaginative and I thoroughly enjoy playing here whether they decide PLO/OH8 is an area they want to strengthen or not.
Cant see why there was no pl08 event not much that we ask for a £1000 £11 buy in which has met and surpassed its gtd except 1 time when it kicked off at 5pm if there was £1000 of pl0 seats given away why not have a £1000 pl08 event no seat s would need to be given away if it gets a decent start time would easilly get the gtd met
Hopefully it will return in the xmas ukops.
As everyone knows, I'm a big fan of PLO & PLO8, & I think Sky Poker have tried hard to help (as have folks like Brian), but they can't keep throwing good money after bad.