A what? A bounty hunter? And a rebuy? When will the Sunday Major and Iceman and tuesday high roller become bounty hunters as well? (I like bounty hunters but not for breakfast, dinner AND tea)
Will the rebuys remain fee free?
Will the rebuy remain available at any point when below starting stack or will it become re-entry and so only when busto?
A what? A bounty hunter? And a rebuy? When will the Sunday Major and Iceman and tuesday high roller become bounty hunters as well? (I like bounty hunters but not for breakfast, dinner AND tea) Will the rebuys remain fee free? Will the rebuy remain available at any point when below starting stack or will it become re-entry and so only when busto? Posted by SoLack
As far as I am aware, no, you don't have to lose all your chips before rebuying. Those who played that £3.30 one last night are better placed to confirm though.
Sunday Major, Iceman & High Roller become Rebuy BH's?
I guess that depends if they perform financially by meeting their Guarantees. If they don't, they might. It's either that, reduce the Guarantees, or cancel the MTT altogether.
Sky Poker absolutely do NOT have an agenda to make everything a BH, but they have to (try to) give customers what they want. And if the majority prefer BH's, Sky Poker would be daft to deny them.
I tend to agree with the thrust of your point, but I don't see an alternative.
Hope you are well mate, in good heart, & ready for that big annual thing in a few weeks time - Xmas UKOPS.
You will be able to rebuy from the start as long as your stack is level with or under starting stack. All rebuys and addons made will be split in the same way as the initial buy in, half on your head half in the prize pool.
A what? A bounty hunter? And a rebuy? When will the Sunday Major and Iceman and tuesday high roller become bounty hunters as well? (I like bounty hunters but not for breakfast, dinner AND tea) Will the rebuys remain fee free? Will the rebuy remain available at any point when below starting stack or will it become re-entry and so only when busto? Posted by SoLack
Hey SoLack - You will be pleased to know the Tuesday High Roller is showing in the lobby as a Bounty Hunter now. It is now known as the Sky High Bounty Hunter.
The change to a Rebuy BH in last night's two Avengers, which had been struggling as regular Rebuys, resulted in the Main Avenger beating Guarantee by 25%, & the Mini Avenger beating Guarantee by 40%.
The change to a Rebuy BH in last night's two Avengers, which had been struggling as regular Rebuys, resulted in the Main Avenger beating Guarantee by 25%, & the Mini Avenger beating Guarantee by 40%. Posted by Tikay10
I think this is because people now have an incentive to do additional rebuys when its BH (right at the start for example) and the fact that BH results in more preflop all-ins at deeper stack sizes so people need to rebuy more to reach the add-on. Btw this increase in Avenger popularity came with the expense of the 110£ BH, Summit Bounty Hunter, which had 1200£ overlay. I have actually never seen it fall short of guarantee before. Props for keeping the rebuys and add-on rake free despite the change.
In Response to Re: Avenger Rebuy (Friday) becomes a Rebuy Bounty Hunter : I think this is because people now have an incentive to do additional rebuys when its BH (right at the start for example) and the fact that BH results in more preflop all-ins at deeper stack sizes so people need to rebuy more to reach the add-on. Btw this increase in Avenger popularity came with the expense of the 110£ BH, Summit Bounty Hunter, which had 1200£ overlay. I have actually never seen it fall short of guarantee before. Props for keeping the rebuys and add-on rake free despite the change. Posted by Wiked
Welcome to the Forum, & a good constructive Post, thank you.
I'll leave the BH regulars to comment upon how the Rebuy element of a BH changes things.
Think I tend to agree with you as to the Summit being affected though, it's now too close to another good BH, & maybe that's too much.
I would imagine James will give some thought to relocating Summit, maybe on another night when the Main is not a BH.
sad times indeed... for online poker in general, as someone said the other day, is this not meant to be the poker season? but if every non-bounty hunter now misses its guarentee then u know what will happen.... Posted by goldnballz
I don't see how sky can win as either
there are moans that guarantees are too low (which happens as the numbers constantly prove freezeouts and normal rebuys are not that popular)
Or you get moans that all tournaments are bounty hunters.
If the maths shows that this is what most people want and that Sky will generate more revenue then it is hard to argue against it.
Although it would be nice (in addition to the BH ME RB & AO Speed turbo All-in RR Spin-Up games) to have a few novel tourneys of an evening with no late registration, no bounties, no re-entry, no rebuy etc. You know those old styled tourneys where you turn up on time, sit with a little wedge of chips and if you lose them you are busto. As much as all the other formats can be fun, I do miss that simplicity sometimes.
Then again I have not been playing much poker lately so feel free to tell me to 'GO AWAY' ;-)
There was no doubt in my mind that the change to a BH rebuy would be successful, that was not the point of my post. The Sun has always been the biggest selling newspaper but it doesn't mean it is the best, and doesn't mean the Guardian feel the need to paste semi-naked young ladies on page 3. Likewise the Sun do not feel the need to print semi-naked young ladies on every page as evn the Sun understand the nee for some diversity.
The knock on effect of last night's change on the summit was disappointing but I don't think there is room on another night where it fits and so will have stay where it is with reduced guarantee (fine by me - I don't think I have ever moaned about reduced guarantees). The only two mains that are non-BH are Sunday and Tuesday. Tuesday already has the Sky high roller (also now a BH - more below) and the wider games available on Sundays means there is unlikely to be much appetite for a 9pm £110 jobbie.
Sky High roller change to BH was probably inevitable and it fits tbh as long as the Iceman remains a freezeout.
I am beginning to wonder about the future of Sky Poker. The closure of the TV channel, the seemingly desperate changes to tournament formats both make me think they are struggling to keep things going. I understand business is business and that a profit needs to be made but there seems little strategy to the tounament formats. There was a major relaunch of the tournaments structure but a couple of months later and there have been several canges to the launch plan. Is there a chance Sky Poker could go busto? Should I be keeping my bank-roll at a minimum?
Maybe Sky Poker has run its course? (Or maybe it will relaunch as Sky Bounty Hunter Poker)
There was no doubt in my mind that the change to a BH rebuy would be successful, that was not the point of my post. The Sun has always been the biggest selling newspaper but it doesn't mean it is the best, and doesn't mean the Guardian feel the need to paste semi-naked young ladies on page 3. Likewise the Sun do not feel the need to print semi-naked young ladies on every page as evn the Sun understand the nee for some diversity.
Pretty solid point to be fair.
I guess the question is... Is the priority to 'attempt' to cater to everyone or simply to cater to the majority. I can see both sides of the coin TBH.
I think that is a little unfair, SoLack-Sky has improved its MTT offering considerably in the last few months.
Bounty Hunters have always been popular here, and it was inevitable that some of the less robust new MTTs were going down this route to prop them up. Think it's more a case of 6 steps forward and 2 back....that said, I so wish that the High Roller could remain as a traditional MTT...
There was no doubt in my mind that the change to a BH rebuy would be successful, that was not the point of my post. The Sun has always been the biggest selling newspaper but it doesn't mean it is the best, and doesn't mean the Guardian feel the need to paste semi-naked young ladies on page 3. Likewise the Sun do not feel the need to print semi-naked young ladies on every page as evn the Sun understand the nee for some diversity. The knock on effect of last night's change on the summit was disappointing but I don't think there is room on another night where it fits and so will have stay where it is with reduced guarantee (fine by me - I don't think I have ever moaned about reduced guarantees). The only two mains that are non-BH are Sunday and Tuesday. Tuesday already has the Sky high roller (also now a BH - more below) and the wider games available on Sundays means there is unlikely to be much appetite for a 9pm £110 jobbie. Sky High roller change to BH was probably inevitable and it fits tbh as long as the Iceman remains a freezeout. I am beginning to wonder about the future of Sky Poker. The closure of the TV channel, the seemingly desperate changes to tournament formats both make me think they are struggling to keep things going. I understand business is business and that a profit needs to be made but there seems little strategy to the tounament formats. There was a major relaunch of the tournaments structure but a couple of months later and there have been several canges to the launch plan. Is there a chance Sky Poker could go busto? Should I be keeping my bank-roll at a minimum? Maybe Sky Poker has run its course? (Or maybe it will relaunch as Sky Bounty Hunter Poker) Posted by SoLack
Desperate changes? Firstly, I do think more could of been done to push certain tournaments. However the vocal minority on the forum need to see the wider picture. (This is coming from someone with a much higher ROI in rebuys than bounty hunters). The new schedule was always going to be amended as time went on and the players voted with their £. The mains on sky are the flagship events and should attract reasonable fields with an eye catching amount ftw. Sky are moving with the times and adjusting things.
Whilst a few may want a freezeout with no late reg, that isnt popular these days. Sky may put on some £10 games like this with a £30 guarantee with only the winner paid but it seems like a lot of effort for sky to please those handful of players.
Sky have constantly tried to push rebuys and freezeouts/deepstacks but the numbers arent there so the guarantees have to drop and they eventually die a death.
Progressive knockouts or bounty hunters are what the majority of players want and over all sites. Look at stars schedules now compared to 2years ago and the amount of psko they now have. Partypoker are now bringing in progressive knockuts.
No matter how many times the reason behind the closure of 861 is discussed players just ignore it.
Finally, after a sample of 1 we dont know if there will be an effect on the summit or if a rebuy bh main will work.
The online Poker world is changing. The competition for players has increased. Some sites have taken note. Sky Poker may now hit a decline (due to no TV coverage plus bigger competition from other progressive poker sites) and will need to act accordingly to compete. Maybe it is time to really listen to all the player base, not just Priority/sats for cash/bubble insurance/higher reward etc etc players. 2017 may be a make or break year (IMO).
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As far as I am aware, no, you don't have to lose all your chips before rebuying. Those who played that £3.30 one last night are better placed to confirm though.
Sunday Major, Iceman & High Roller become Rebuy BH's?
I guess that depends if they perform financially by meeting their Guarantees. If they don't, they might. It's either that, reduce the Guarantees, or cancel the MTT altogether.
Sky Poker absolutely do NOT have an agenda to make everything a BH, but they have to (try to) give customers what they want. And if the majority prefer BH's, Sky Poker would be daft to deny them.
I tend to agree with the thrust of your point, but I don't see an alternative.
Hope you are well mate, in good heart, & ready for that big annual thing in a few weeks time - Xmas UKOPS.
The change to a Rebuy BH in last night's two Avengers, which had been struggling as regular Rebuys, resulted in the Main Avenger beating Guarantee by 25%, & the Mini Avenger beating Guarantee by 40%.
Props for keeping the rebuys and add-on rake free despite the change.
I'll leave the BH regulars to comment upon how the Rebuy element of a BH changes things.
Think I tend to agree with you as to the Summit being affected though, it's now too close to another good BH, & maybe that's too much.
I would imagine James will give some thought to relocating Summit, maybe on another night when the Main is not a BH.
Good luck if you plan to play the upcoming UKOPS.
Mr Bates nails it.
Sky Poker are like Swansea FC - they can't win.
Although it would be nice (in addition to the BH ME RB & AO Speed turbo All-in RR Spin-Up games) to have a few novel tourneys of an evening with no late registration, no bounties, no re-entry, no rebuy etc. You know those old styled tourneys where you turn up on time, sit with a little wedge of chips and if you lose them you are busto. As much as all the other formats can be fun, I do miss that simplicity sometimes.
Then again I have not been playing much poker lately so feel free to tell me to 'GO AWAY' ;-)
GO AWAY
The knock on effect of last night's change on the summit was disappointing but I don't think there is room on another night where it fits and so will have stay where it is with reduced guarantee (fine by me - I don't think I have ever moaned about reduced guarantees). The only two mains that are non-BH are Sunday and Tuesday. Tuesday already has the Sky high roller (also now a BH - more below) and the wider games available on Sundays means there is unlikely to be much appetite for a 9pm £110 jobbie.
Sky High roller change to BH was probably inevitable and it fits tbh as long as the Iceman remains a freezeout.
I am beginning to wonder about the future of Sky Poker. The closure of the TV channel, the seemingly desperate changes to tournament formats both make me think they are struggling to keep things going. I understand business is business and that a profit needs to be made but there seems little strategy to the tounament formats. There was a major relaunch of the tournaments structure but a couple of months later and there have been several canges to the launch plan. Is there a chance Sky Poker could go busto? Should I be keeping my bank-roll at a minimum?
Maybe Sky Poker has run its course? (Or maybe it will relaunch as Sky Bounty Hunter Poker)
I guess the question is... Is the priority to 'attempt' to cater to everyone or simply to cater to the majority. I can see both sides of the coin TBH.
Bounty Hunters have always been popular here, and it was inevitable that some of the less robust new MTTs were going down this route to prop them up. Think it's more a case of 6 steps forward and 2 back....that said, I so wish that the High Roller could remain as a traditional MTT...
Sky have constantly tried to push rebuys and freezeouts/deepstacks but the numbers arent there so the guarantees have to drop and they eventually die a death.