The online Poker world is changing. The competition for players has increased. Some sites have taken note. Sky Poker may now hit a decline (due to no TV coverage plus bigger competition from other progressive poker sites) and will need to act accordingly to compete. Maybe it is time to really listen to all the player base, not just Priority/sats for cash/bubble insurance/higher reward etc etc players. 2017 may be a make or break year (IMO). Posted by MAXALLY
I like bounty hunters, and I did like the BH rebuy format (although not quite sure the best way to play it yet) and hope it stays as a regular main (but personally would have preferred for it to replace the one of the four existing BH mains that are essentially all the same). Are you saying that the minority should just shut it and go away?I have tried to put my points constructively and to iterate that I understand the business issues involved but I don't think the issue is that I can't see the bigger picture, in fact the opposite. BTW after the Brexit referendum, US election, last General Election and newspaper choice I comfortable being in the minority.
Rebuys dont seem to do that well on this site but the £22 rebuy price was probably too much for most.This new format of rebuy bounty hunters is nonesense tho and i dont think any main should be one of them.
Id rather the summit become the main for fridays or a £55 bh come in place of the 22r.
So many bounty hunters does get boring tho and it would be great if every now or then there be a pure poker day on the schedule with no bounty hunters.
The online Poker world is changing. The competition for players has increased. Some sites have taken note. Sky Poker may now hit a decline (due to no TV coverage plus bigger competition from other progressive poker sites) and will need to act accordingly to compete. Maybe it is time to really listen to all the player base, not just Priority/sats for cash/bubble insurance/higher reward etc etc players. 2017 may be a make or break year (IMO). Posted by MAXALLY
You don't think Sky Poker listens to, & talks to, it's player base?
That was the whole point of this thread.
It was Sky Poker's view that the players would prefer a Rebuy BH rather than a traditional rebuy.
I decided to start a thread, so as to communicate the decision, & the reasons.
This morning, I made it known that the two MTT's in question had performed much better.
If that's not listening to the player base, I don't know what is.
You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about Prio players being looked after. I'd say that was good business practice, personally, to go that extra yard for your biggest customers. (cue "but what about the little guy?".....).
I doubt any site works harder, via Promos & this Forum, to look after everyone. Everything the site does is communicated as well as possible to everyone, & the threads go back & forth. How is that a bad thing?
Rebuys dont seem to do that well on this site but the £22 rebuy price was probably too much for most.This new format of rebuy bounty hunters is nonesense tho and i dont think any main should be one of them. Id rather the summit become the main for fridays or a £55 bh come in place of the 22r. So many bounty hunters does get boring tho and it would be great if every now or then there be a pure poker day on the schedule with no bounty hunters. Posted by Arrogant
The guy we can thank - or blame - for this is James. As it happens, he does not like all these BH's one bit, & I suspect he very much agrees with you.
But the numbers, repeatedly, again & again, say otherwise.....
I like bounty hunters, and I did like the BH rebuy format (although not quite sure the best way to play it yet) and hope it stays as a regular main (but personally would have preferred for it to replace the one of the four existing BH mains that are essentially all the same). Are you saying that the minority should just shut it and go away?I have tried to put my points constructively and to iterate that I understand the business issues involved but I don't think the issue is that I can't see the bigger picture, in fact the opposite. BTW after the Brexit referendum, US election, last General Election and newspaper choice I comfortable being in the minority. Posted by SoLack
I'm assuming that was addressed to someone else, not me, as I never said any such thing.
Of course you should articulate your preferences. That's why Sky Poker has a Forum & other sites don't, despite what Alan says.
However, I do NOT think you should glibly say things (which I am 100% sure you do not believe, & were tongue in cheek) like this....
"Is there a chance Sky Poker could go busto? Should I be keeping my bank-roll at a minimum?"
People have actually responded to that, so some must have thought you were serious.
So I'm obliged to say anything is possible, but that's as near as impossible as I could imagine. Sky Poker are owned by SB&G (google their annual results or their year on year improved performance for the last 5 years), who in turn are owned by CVC Capital Partners.
I'm also pretty sure that players funds are ring-fenced, as required by The Gambling Commission.
So no, it won't be going belly up in your or my lifetime.
Could they close it, as it is not viable? (A completely different thing). Well they could, but they won't, as it plays a part in an integrated gaming platform, & does so very well.
The fact that they are now managing overlay is a good thing, not a bad thing.
So I'm 100% fine with you disagreeing with MTT changes - that's perfectly subjective. That's a very long way from wondering out loud if the Business is struggling as a whole.
It makes good money. As part of a well-managed business, it has to make more money each year - that's what any good business must try to do. So it manages the Business very tightly, & when, say, they look at the half a mill per year or whatever it was they were spending on the TV Show, & can't see that is producing any significant payback, they close it, & decide to invest that sum in improving the Product overall. (A process which has already begun under the radar). Is that bad business?
There was no doubt in my mind that the change to a BH rebuy would be successful, that was not the point of my post. The Sun has always been the biggest selling newspaper but it doesn't mean it is the best, and doesn't mean the Guardian feel the need to paste semi-naked young ladies on page 3. Likewise the Sun do not feel the need to print semi-naked young ladies on every page as evn the Sun understand the nee for some diversity. The knock on effect of last night's change on the summit was disappointing but I don't think there is room on another night where it fits and so will have stay where it is with reduced guarantee (fine by me - I don't think I have ever moaned about reduced guarantees). The only two mains that are non-BH are Sunday and Tuesday. Tuesday already has the Sky high roller (also now a BH - more below) and the wider games available on Sundays means there is unlikely to be much appetite for a 9pm £110 jobbie. Sky High roller change to BH was probably inevitable and it fits tbh as long as the Iceman remains a freezeout. I am beginning to wonder about the future of Sky Poker. The closure of the TV channel, the seemingly desperate changes to tournament formats both make me think they are struggling to keep things going. I understand business is business and that a profit needs to be made but there seems little strategy to the tounament formats. There was a major relaunch of the tournaments structure but a couple of months later and there have been several canges to the launch plan. Is there a chance Sky Poker could go busto? Should I be keeping my bank-roll at a minimum? Maybe Sky Poker has run its course? (Or maybe it will relaunch as Sky Bounty Hunter Poker) Posted by SoLack
Did you really expect that such a major change to the MTT Schedules (which was wayyyyy overdue, doubt it had been done in years) would never need tweaking, changing, sorting in the light of performance?
If so, I have some bad news for you - it was, is, & will remain a work in progress, & will be continually tweaked.
hi im not to happy on rebuy having bounties on them but give what the people wont and seems bounties are what there wont. a few side points min cash of 26 quid was far 2 small and became almost irrelevant. in this formatwhen people have fired multiply bullets i was in for 100 in game mc was 26 the avg head at this point was about 40 so feel pay less and make min cash at least 55. i really like sky new sched when it was realised 220 hr hype turbo feel this is what sky needs to do and steer away from bounties but by the looks of it and numbers wise think i was wrong.
A few more things, then I'm gonna go play some poker & enjoy the rest of my Saturday.
First up, MTT's represent around 1/6 (ONE SIXTH) of Revenues in Sky Poker, so I think we need to keep a sense of perspective here. They have a new Schedule, & they are micro-managing it. It's not a secret, I have communicated all changes here, every one of them. I don't think I will in future though, looks like it was a bad move on my part. And yes, it was & is my decision to start these threads & announce changes.
"Happy Hours" have been running a lot recently - there is not a shadow of doubt that these impact upon MTT performance. Do you remember that week when Happy Hours were TREBLE? Guess what that did to MTT performance. Double points affects it too, but not as dramatically. Its about finding the right balance, the happy medium.
I don't think Sky Poker has ever managed MTT Subsidy as well before as it does these days. "subsidy" is the Business term for MTT Overlay, & a few other items.
It did not used to be well managed, but it is now. That's James job, reporting to Sam. James has a job brief to keep subsidy to a sensible & sustainable level, & that's exactly what he is doing.
The SB&G Business week runs Friday to Thursday, & so every Friday morning, James sends round his weekly MTT Subsidy Report. It is listed day by day, MTT by MTT, then collated & summarised. It is from this information that he changes Guarantees & identifies poorly performing MTT's. (In fact, you can see a similar thing on Rob's site, PokerSuperHero, though that just lists the bigger MTT's). He is obliged to make that Subsidy Report read well, so he adjust things as & when he needs to, with Sam's approval. He has saved many hundreds of thousands of ££'s already. I'd say that was good business practice. Sustained overlay benefits nobody in the long term.
I am pretty sure he will continue to do that going forward, so I have to say, you WILL keep seeing the MTT schedule shuffled & tweaked. That's a good thing, not a negative.
it's an unusual idea lumping a bounty element to a rebuy, my initial thought was why not just keep them separate?
I'll need to give it a go though to see how the games play out. Of course it is hard to argue if it easily surpasses the gtee, while the previous format failed to do this.
As some one else said 22 for a rebuy is perhaps a bit pricey for the vast majority of sky's player base.
As far as I'm aware there was never an issue with the wed rebuy 11 main with regards to meeting its gtee. It would be good if this could be reintroduced somewhere in the schedule.
I like bounty hunters, and I did like the BH rebuy format (although not quite sure the best way to play it yet) and hope it stays as a regular main (but personally would have preferred for it to replace the one of the four existing BH mains that are essentially all the same). Are you saying that the minority should just shut it and go away?I have tried to put my points constructively and to iterate that I understand the business issues involved but I don't think the issue is that I can't see the bigger picture, in fact the opposite. BTW after the Brexit referendum, US election, last General Election and newspaper choice I comfortable being in the minority. Posted by SoLack
Paradoxically, the majority are in the minority.
Brexit- majority didn't vote for it
General election- majority didn't vote Conservative
US election- majority didn't vote Trump
Newspaper- The S*n is just s*** anyway (and majority don't buy it)
What has this gotto do with Tournaments on here?
I haven't the foggiest, but it could mean that majority on Sky Poker don't like BHs.
In Response to Re: Avenger Rebuy (Friday) becomes a Rebuy Bounty Hunter : Paradoxically, the majority are in the minority. Brexit- majority didn't vote for it General election- majority didn't vote Conservative US election- majority didn't vote Trump Newspaper- The S*n is just s*** anyway (and majority don't buy it) What has this gotto do with Tournaments on here? I haven't the foggiest, but it could mean that majority on Sky Poker don't like BHs. Posted by dragon1964
the majority should pull their fingers out and do summut about then , unless , that is if the majority did .bringing politics and the media into this arguement is mute anyway like you say
hi im not to happy on rebuy having bounties on them but give what the people wont and seems bounties are what there wont. a few side points min cash of 26 quid was far 2 small and became almost irrelevant. in this formatwhen people have fired multiply bullets i was in for 100 in game mc was 26 the avg head at this point was about 40 so feel pay less and make min cash at least 55. i really like sky new sched when it was realised 220 hr hype turbo feel this is what sky needs to do and steer away from bounties but by the looks of it and numbers wise think i was wrong. Posted by rspca12
Thanks for the feedback. The pay out structure for all rebuy bounty hunters will now mirror the standard bounty hunter structure rather than the 15% structure it was on Friday.
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Swansea 2 - Sunderland 0
That was the whole point of this thread.
It was Sky Poker's view that the players would prefer a Rebuy BH rather than a traditional rebuy.
I decided to start a thread, so as to communicate the decision, & the reasons.
This morning, I made it known that the two MTT's in question had performed much better.
If that's not listening to the player base, I don't know what is.
You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about Prio players being looked after. I'd say that was good business practice, personally, to go that extra yard for your biggest customers. (cue "but what about the little guy?".....).
I doubt any site works harder, via Promos & this Forum, to look after everyone. Everything the site does is communicated as well as possible to everyone, & the threads go back & forth. How is that a bad thing?
But the numbers, repeatedly, again & again, say otherwise.....
So he does his job.
Of course you should articulate your preferences. That's why Sky Poker has a Forum & other sites don't, despite what Alan says.
However, I do NOT think you should glibly say things (which I am 100% sure you do not believe, & were tongue in cheek) like this....
"Is there a chance Sky Poker could go busto? Should I be keeping my bank-roll at a minimum?"
People have actually responded to that, so some must have thought you were serious.
So I'm obliged to say anything is possible, but that's as near as impossible as I could imagine. Sky Poker are owned by SB&G (google their annual results or their year on year improved performance for the last 5 years), who in turn are owned by CVC Capital Partners.
I'm also pretty sure that players funds are ring-fenced, as required by The Gambling Commission.
So no, it won't be going belly up in your or my lifetime.
Could they close it, as it is not viable? (A completely different thing). Well they could, but they won't, as it plays a part in an integrated gaming platform, & does so very well.
The fact that they are now managing overlay is a good thing, not a bad thing.
So I'm 100% fine with you disagreeing with MTT changes - that's perfectly subjective. That's a very long way from wondering out loud if the Business is struggling as a whole.
It makes good money. As part of a well-managed business, it has to make more money each year - that's what any good business must try to do. So it manages the Business very tightly, & when, say, they look at the half a mill per year or whatever it was they were spending on the TV Show, & can't see that is producing any significant payback, they close it, & decide to invest that sum in improving the Product overall. (A process which has already begun under the radar). Is that bad business?
If so, I have some bad news for you - it was, is, & will remain a work in progress, & will be continually tweaked.
A few more things, then I'm gonna go play some poker & enjoy the rest of my Saturday.
First up, MTT's represent around 1/6 (ONE SIXTH) of Revenues in Sky Poker, so I think we need to keep a sense of perspective here. They have a new Schedule, & they are micro-managing it. It's not a secret, I have communicated all changes here, every one of them. I don't think I will in future though, looks like it was a bad move on my part. And yes, it was & is my decision to start these threads & announce changes.
"Happy Hours" have been running a lot recently - there is not a shadow of doubt that these impact upon MTT performance. Do you remember that week when Happy Hours were TREBLE? Guess what that did to MTT performance. Double points affects it too, but not as dramatically. Its about finding the right balance, the happy medium.
I don't think Sky Poker has ever managed MTT Subsidy as well before as it does these days. "subsidy" is the Business term for MTT Overlay, & a few other items.
It did not used to be well managed, but it is now. That's James job, reporting to Sam. James has a job brief to keep subsidy to a sensible & sustainable level, & that's exactly what he is doing.
The SB&G Business week runs Friday to Thursday, & so every Friday morning, James sends round his weekly MTT Subsidy Report. It is listed day by day, MTT by MTT, then collated & summarised. It is from this information that he changes Guarantees & identifies poorly performing MTT's. (In fact, you can see a similar thing on Rob's site, PokerSuperHero, though that just lists the bigger MTT's). He is obliged to make that Subsidy Report read well, so he adjust things as & when he needs to, with Sam's approval. He has saved many hundreds of thousands of ££'s already. I'd say that was good business practice. Sustained overlay benefits nobody in the long term.
I am pretty sure he will continue to do that going forward, so I have to say, you WILL keep seeing the MTT schedule shuffled & tweaked. That's a good thing, not a negative.
FINAL SCORE;
Swansea 3 - Sunderland 0
So maybe Sky Poker can win, after all.
Enjoy the rest of your Saturday. I'm off for some peace & quiet on the poker tables.
RAISE