In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) : That is a very genereous Tikay, appreciated Sir! I will ponder it over for a few hours and see if anything specific comes to mind then post any ideas here and see what Scouse, others and yourself think It would be excellent if it could be done as you say to start tomorrow and coincide with the start of the new month. Obviously next month would be fine too but if it is done early it might help the new games become more established. Initial thoughts are 2 mini leagues, 1 for the number of bounties taken each month and one based upon finishing positions over each month. Possibly something akin to the league Scouse has created this week to record performance in the FOSP games could be used to track monthly performance? Maybe awarding 10pts for a win in either of the nightly BH's, 7pts for 2nd, 5 points for 3rd, 2 points for 4-6. Will post later and see what others think, thanks TK, scouse & Sky! Posted by markycash
i think your going to have some qualifing criteria, most of the PL08 crew are not 7 days a week and have bankroll considerations. 7x 11 and 7 x 5.5 is fine for some but not all, i presume the league is to entice more.
maybe best 3 Ts from each week to count to the league, maybe 4.
Points and heads sounds fine. maybe 1 league simplifies things? with prizes for 1st/2nd-or more? dont know how you score a head- 1point? some are worth more than others but i guess its the same for everyone
Don't get TOO excited, the prizes wont be much, it's more about bragging rights really.
It kinda makes sense to try to help make Sky Poker a niche site for PLO8 though, as very few sites have any liquidity. (That's me justifying burning Sky Poker's money).
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) : That is a very genereous Tikay, appreciated Sir! I will ponder it over for a few hours and see if anything specific comes to mind then post any ideas here and see what Scouse, others and yourself think It would be excellent if it could be done as you say to start tomorrow and coincide with the start of the new month. Obviously next month would be fine too but if it is done early it might help the new games become more established. Initial thoughts are 2 mini leagues, 1 for the number of bounties taken each month and one based upon finishing positions over each month. Possibly something akin to the league Scouse has created this week to record performance in the FOSP games could be used to track monthly performance? Maybe awarding 10pts for a win in either of the nightly BH's, 7pts for 2nd, 5 points for 3rd, 2 points for 4-6. Will post later and see what others think, thanks TK, scouse & Sky! Posted by markycash
Any way you want to work it is fine by me Marky, if you let me know the exact points structure you want and we'll get it sorted in time to start tmoro ...... it will also give me time to do a dummy run using last nights and tonights tourneys.
Obv not everyone will be around every night, so can you suggest how many games must be played in a month to count.
I mean personally if a format is agreed for the first month and it doesn't quite work it can always be tweeked a little bit along the way
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) : Very well played, great heads total, I see it was 40-1 shot suzy that TID :-) Posted by HENDRIK62
sorry mr rik if that offended you. i was merely trying to point out that your odds were not as long as you suggested.
After all, if we win with AA 4 times, we dont fold the 5th out of fear-your previous wins dont affect your next game.
Assuming ROI of 50% and a field of 50, doesn anyone have any idea what the odds of winning are?
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) : i think your going to have some qualifing criteria, most of the PL08 crew are not 7 days a week and have bankroll considerations. 7x 11 and 7 x 5.5 is fine for some but not all, i presume the league is to entice more. maybe best 3 Ts from each week to count to the league, maybe 4. Points and heads sounds fine. maybe 1 league simplifies things? with prizes for 1st/2nd-or more? dont know how you score a head- 1point? some are worth more than others but i guess its the same for everyone Posted by suzy666
I think one point per head is the way to go here as there's no way of knowing once the tourney has finished what individual head prizes were, (only the overall total)
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) : sorry mr rik if that offended you. i was merely trying to point out that your odds were not as long as you suggested. After all, if we win with AA 4 times, we dont fold the 5th out of fear-your previous wins dont affect your next game. Assuming ROI of 50% and a field of 50, doesn anyone have any idea what the odds of winning are? Posted by suzy666
lol, its fine I wasn't at all offended, just couldn't resist it when I saw you had won. VWP :-)
It is generally great to see all the extra noise made on here for everything PLO8. Even I played one of these BH's. I hope your new League is a success too.
HOWEVER....it would, IMHO. been advantageous for the game of PLO to been given a bit of a push here too. This format only gets small numbers on this site ATM (apart from cash tables). If you are looking for PLO action in MTT or DYM format, you generally have to look at other sites for it.
Don't shoot me down though guys, just making an observation. Perhaps, depending how this League goes, PLO could maybe considered in the future and combine both formats into a League/Comp?
I agree with the point Suzy makes about 1 leaderboard to keep things simple. I also completely agree with 1 head = 1 point. Maybe scouse's original idea of recording the bounties taken over the month is the way to go? Would keep it nice and simple for anyone to casually follow along regarding their progress.
This would also give those who don't play them all a chance of doing well if they take a lot of scalps in the ones they do play. It may also encourage those who get off to a good start each month to play a few more games than usual.
Still wakening up. Had my Weetabix, got my caffeine levels up to a suitable amount and am just visiting uni just now to maintain the charade I am studying psychology but will post when I get back home in a few hours.
Would be great to hear everyones feedback and thoughts.
I would happily do the same for PLO, Alan, but at present, there is little PLO liquidity, perhaps because there is (relatively) so much at PLO8.
The players, amongst ourselves, built the PLO8 liquidity, we never asked Sky Poker for help, we just went & did it. There is no reason why a like minded bunch could not do the same for PLO.
I'm equally competent - or incompetent - at PLO as PLO8, but I simply can't play the 2 alongside each other simultaneously. If I could, I would, but everything about the 2 games is so different, primarily hand ranges, & when to apply pressure. Pressure is very easy in O8 in certain spots, but rather more complex in PLO.
I keep meaning to have a PLO "month", but I like to keep 5 or 6 games going at a time, & right now, that's not possible at PLO.
I suppose one possibility is to switch the £5 & £10 O8 BH games to PLO one or 2 nights a week, though that might upset the O8 regulars. Personally, I'd be slightly more likely to play a £5 &/or £10 PLO than PLO8, though it's a close run thing.
Right now, I'm busy re-learning NLH, too. An embarrassment of enjoyable games, to be honest. If only there were more poker hours in the day.
It is generally great to see all the extra noise made on here for everything PLO8. Even I played one of these BH's. I hope your new League is a success too. HOWEVER ....it would, IMHO. been advantageous for the game of PLO to been given a bit of a push here too. This format only gets small numbers on this site ATM (apart from cash tables). If you are looking for PLO action in MTT or DYM format, you generally have to look at other sites for it. Don't shoot me down though guys, just making an observation. Perhaps, depending how this League goes, PLO could maybe considered in the future and combine both formats into a League/Comp? Posted by MAXALLY
Thanks Max.
Couple of great points IMO. From my personal experience oh8 MTT's get a bit more traffic than plo. Having said that, I don't think there is a massive difference. Sky also has as you say, a reasonable amount of cash game action and obviously therefore a player base. Some plo BH's may well do okay too.
I personally disagree about combining the leaderboards though as some people play plo and don't like plo8 and vice versa.
Okay I better go study for a couple of hours... Apologies if my grammar is ever worse than usual, I hate typing via my mobile... Look forward to reading people's thoughts on this. Posted by markycash
Never noticed the difference, tbh, but I make allowances for Scots who struggle with proper English.
I would happily do the same for PLO, Alan, but at present, there is little PLO liquidity, perhaps because there is (relatively) so much at PLO8. The players, amongst ourselves, built the PLO8 liquidity, we never asked Sky Poker for help, we just went & did it. There is no reason why a like minded bunch could not do the same for PLO. I'm equally competent - or incompetent - at PLO as PLO8, but I simply can't play the 2 alongside each other simultaneously. If I could, I would, but everything about the 2 games is so different, primarily hand ranges, & when to apply pressure. Pressure is very easy in O8 in certain spots, but rather more complex in PLO. I keep meaning to have a PLO "month", but I like to keep 5 or 6 games going at a time, & right now, that's not possible at PLO. I suppose one possibility is to switch the £5 & £10 O8 BH games to PLO one or 2 nights a week, though that might upset the O8 regulars. Personally, I'd be slightly more likely to play a £5 &/or £10 PLO than PLO8, though it's a close run thing. Right now, I'm busy re-learning NLH, too. An embarrassment of enjoyable games, to be honest. If only there were more poker hours in the day. Posted by Tikay10
Hold the back page....I agree. I Also take Mark's points on board. Thinking about it again, attempting to mix the two formats would not work. I just hope PLO is not forgotten on this site though.
Carry on gents. Hopefully I will join you occasionally for these manic 'any four cards will do' shove in and hope games
One league seems best to me, as Tikay indicated that "the prizes won't be much".
Give one point for last, increasing by one point all the way up to first. This gives more points for performing well in a bigger field. You could put in a slight increase for 1st, 2nd, 3rd or final table as you see fit.
You could then add one point for each bounty if you want the league to be mainly finishing position based, with the bounties as a small boost. Alternatively, if you want the league to be mainly bounty based, you could award ten points for each bounty and use the finishing positions as the slight boost. Or anything inbetween.
i keep promising myself I will give the four card game a go, but like many, have never got round to it. Maybe this year.
Just me thinking aloud. Well done for getting this going, and hope whatever you decide to do goes well.
Morning, One league seems best to me, as Tikay indicated that "the prizes won't be much". Give one point for last, increasing by one point all the way up to first. This gives more points for performing well in a bigger field. You could put in a slight increase for 1st, 2nd, 3rd or final table as you see fit. You could then add one point for each bounty if you want the league to be mainly finishing position based, with the bounties as a small boost. Alternatively, if you want the league to be mainly bounty based, you could award ten points for each bounty and use the finishing positions as the slight boost. Or anything inbetween. i keep promising myself I will give the four card game a go, but like many, have never got round to it. Maybe this year. Just me thinking aloud. Well done for getting this going, and hope whatever you decide to do goes well. Ed. Posted by edrich
Okay back from uni and have given this all some thought. I think I have came up with a few suggestions that takes most of the feedback suggested in the thread into account.
Regarding Ed's comment about 1 point for last and increasing by 1 point all the way to first, I couldn't agree more. I ran some NLHE leagues on another site for several years and that was the formula I used and nobody ever had a problem with it. It means everyone is getting a few points and it differentiates between someone winning a 33 player tourney as opposed to a 50 players tourney. In that example players would be awarded 33 and 50 points respectively.
Anyways I have came up with a few options that reflect the feedback offered here. If scouse can let me know if they are logistically feasable or if he or anyone else has any objections. If there are no objections I could open a poll with the different options for leaderboards and we can let the democratic vote stand? Maybe close the poll at midnight tonight and then it is all decided in time for tomorrow and the start of the new month?
As per the post above, a few ideas for leaderboards which I will put to the poll if nobody has any objections.
Idea 1: The original idea of recording bounties taken over the month. 1 bounty = 1 point.
Idea 2: A straight monthly performance leaderboard. Last place = 1 point, 2nd last place = 2 points etc, each place upwards you get an extra point.
Idea 3: A combination of both. 1 point per bounty + 1 point for last and an extra point for every position upwards you get from last.
These leaderboards could also be capped (maybe your best 10 results?) or uncapped. This would give 6 options.
So if scouse thinks this is okay and workable and nobody has any objections I could create a poll very soon and let everyone decide for themselves what we have? As mentioned the poll could be closed at midnight and then that hopefully leaves time for things to be in place for tomorrow?
Regarding the capped versus uncapped. I am unsure which would be best to be honest. From Sky's perspective and a rake point of view... would it be better to have maybe an extra 20 players playing 10 tourneys over the month or an extra 7 or 8 playing 50?
Just a thought, Mark, if you are short of time to agree everything - & you are - you could delay the start until next Monday, & then run it for either 3 or 4 weeks, or until the last day of February.
I think the capped v uncapped debate really centres around whether you can keep recreational players motivated to play for league points if they are only likely to play 10-15 events a month. It's probably too soon with the novelty value of the tourney to make any realistic assessment based on the fields to date. If someone could crunch the no of "unique players" in comparison to field sizes you may have some idea of the mix.
If the idea is to promote the game to existing PLO8 DYMers/Thu league players and give an option for NLHE bounty hunter players to give PLO8 a try then I would stick with a capped limit.
If the idea is to attract regular PLO8 players from other sites to switch to sky poker then I would opt for uncapped.
As a recreational player myself I prefer the former option, although I suspect the later would be more saleable to the suits as it attracts new blood from competitors.
I won't vote however as I doubt I will be making regular enough appearances in these events so I feel it would be unfair for me to vote in a self serving way on the off chance I may someday contend for a capped league prize.
Just a thought, Mark, if you are short of time to agree everything - & you are - you could delay the start until next Monday, & then run it for either 3 or 4 weeks, or until the last day of February. Posted by Tikay10
Sounds good Tikay!
We could maybe get a little more feedback here and open a poll tonight and leave it open a little longer.
Maybe start this months off from Monday 6th February as per your suggestion, with the 1st month ending on the last day of February and subsequent leaderboards could just go by the normal calendar months?
When it is all agreed I could open a league thread akin to Brian's Thursday league thread and the disucssion and results could shift over to there? If scouse is willing to do the tables I would be happy to commit to posting updates, reminders and anything of the sort.
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Don't get TOO excited, the prizes wont be much, it's more about bragging rights really.
It kinda makes sense to try to help make Sky Poker a niche site for PLO8 though, as very few sites have any liquidity. (That's me justifying burning Sky Poker's money).
sorry mr rik if that offended you. i was merely trying to point out that your odds were not as long as you suggested.
I would happily do the same for PLO, Alan, but at present, there is little PLO liquidity, perhaps because there is (relatively) so much at PLO8.
The players, amongst ourselves, built the PLO8 liquidity, we never asked Sky Poker for help, we just went & did it. There is no reason why a like minded bunch could not do the same for PLO.
I'm equally competent - or incompetent - at PLO as PLO8, but I simply can't play the 2 alongside each other simultaneously. If I could, I would, but everything about the 2 games is so different, primarily hand ranges, & when to apply pressure. Pressure is very easy in O8 in certain spots, but rather more complex in PLO.
I keep meaning to have a PLO "month", but I like to keep 5 or 6 games going at a time, & right now, that's not possible at PLO.
I suppose one possibility is to switch the £5 & £10 O8 BH games to PLO one or 2 nights a week, though that might upset the O8 regulars. Personally, I'd be slightly more likely to play a £5 &/or £10 PLO than PLO8, though it's a close run thing.
Right now, I'm busy re-learning NLH, too. An embarrassment of enjoyable games, to be honest. If only there were more poker hours in the day.
Regarding Ed's comment about 1 point for last and increasing by 1 point all the way to first, I couldn't agree more. I ran some NLHE leagues on another site for several years and that was the formula I used and nobody ever had a problem with it. It means everyone is getting a few points and it differentiates between someone winning a 33 player tourney as opposed to a 50 players tourney. In that example players would be awarded 33 and 50 points respectively.
Anyways I have came up with a few options that reflect the feedback offered here. If scouse can let me know if they are logistically feasable or if he or anyone else has any objections. If there are no objections I could open a poll with the different options for leaderboards and we can let the democratic vote stand? Maybe close the poll at midnight tonight and then it is all decided in time for tomorrow and the start of the new month?
Leaderboard ideas for coming up...
Idea 1: The original idea of recording bounties taken over the month. 1 bounty = 1 point.
Idea 2: A straight monthly performance leaderboard. Last place = 1 point, 2nd last place = 2 points etc, each place upwards you get an extra point.
Idea 3: A combination of both. 1 point per bounty + 1 point for last and an extra point for every position upwards you get from last.
These leaderboards could also be capped (maybe your best 10 results?) or uncapped. This would give 6 options.
So if scouse thinks this is okay and workable and nobody has any objections I could create a poll very soon and let everyone decide for themselves what we have? As mentioned the poll could be closed at midnight and then that hopefully leaves time for things to be in place for tomorrow?
Regarding the capped versus uncapped. I am unsure which would be best to be honest. From Sky's perspective and a rake point of view... would it be better to have maybe an extra 20 players playing 10 tourneys over the month or an extra 7 or 8 playing 50?
Opinions would be very welcome!
Just a thought, Mark, if you are short of time to agree everything - & you are - you could delay the start until next Monday, & then run it for either 3 or 4 weeks, or until the last day of February.
We could maybe get a little more feedback here and open a poll tonight and leave it open a little longer.
Maybe start this months off from Monday 6th February as per your suggestion, with the 1st month ending on the last day of February and subsequent leaderboards could just go by the normal calendar months?
When it is all agreed I could open a league thread akin to Brian's Thursday league thread and the disucssion and results could shift over to there? If scouse is willing to do the tables I would be happy to commit to posting updates, reminders and anything of the sort.