I think the capped v uncapped debate really centres around whether you can keep recreational players motivated to play for league points if they are only likely to play 10-15 events a month. It's probably too soon with the novelty value of the tourney to make any realistic assessment based on the fields to date. If someone could crunch the no of "unique players" in comparison to field sizes you may have some idea of the mix. If the idea is to promote the game to existing PLO8 DYMers/Thu league players and give an option for NLHE bounty hunter players to give PLO8 a try then I would stick with a capped limit. If the idea is to attract regular PLO8 players from other sites to switch to sky poker then I would opt for uncapped. As a recreational player myself I prefer the former option, although I suspect the later would be more saleable to the suits as it attracts new blood from competitors. I won't vote however as I doubt I will be making regular enough appearances in these events so I feel it would be unfair for me to vote in a self serving way on the off chance I may someday contend for a capped league prize. Posted by Phantom66
Yes it depends who it is hoped to attract. Not much in it either way IMO. Trying to be impartial I think the capped option might suit everyone as the requirements to take part are lower but people playing loads can still improve their chances. Being biased I would vote uncapped but capped would probably be more fair.
Do you mean a leaderboard for the £11 bh alone, or combo with the £5•50? If so, then bonus points for winning both on the same night might be an idea.( If i can dream, Elvis Presley ) Posted by chilling
Both tourneys would count chilling and I have no objections if nobody else does to bonus points if someone wins both on the one night. Maybe double points for the night if you win both?
If you had a prize for the most bounties taken on a single night in the month that would still potentially be up for grabs all month and be open to all to have a chance of it.
If you had a prize for the most bounties taken on a single night in the month that would still potentially be up for grabs all month and be open to all to have a chance of it. (In addition to any league prizes) Posted by Phantom66
i thought the original suggestion was for a weekly league. if this is the case then uncapped could work ok, as a new league week is always just round the corner if one is busy, had some bad scores etc, if not, i think a capped scheme allows a more equal footing, best 10-15 for the month out of ~60.
Personally i think the original score system works better than just score based on finishing as more of an incentive to make the top places, and ties in with the other league, but either way sounds ok.
Phantoms idea of a prize for the most bounties is v good, anyone can win a prize based on an exceptional night, and the more hard core can slog it out for table position in the league.
Fast forwarding, a player could have it sewn up going into the last week.Would it take the gloss off? Maybe two teeny weeny prizes? Would the numbers drop off if some have no chance in high finish? Posted by chilling
If it is capped at only your best 10 results then 'I think' many weeks the standings could be quite close. If this wasn't the case then as mentioned before I guess things could be tweaked.
@Suzy It was a monthly one that was suggested by Tikay which I personally feel would work better, especially with a capped number of results which I also agree would probably be best to help give more people a shot.
@Phantom I agree a little something for the most bounties taken by anyone in a single night over the month would be good. Just depends if TK and Sky agree to this addition It would help maintain interest even if the league was completely sewn up by someone quite early (although I doubt this would happen too often as mentioned).
The scoring system seems to be the point with least consensus. Would a system were the FT gets points (1st = 10 points, 2nd = 7 points, 3rd = 5points, 4-6th = 2points and 1 point for any other type of cash) or one that gives points for placement (last = 1 point then 1 extra point for each position upwards you gain) be best?
the scoring system of working up sounds like a good one to me 1 point for last working up ......... however I would be tempted to add and extra 2 points for 3rd 3 points for 2nd and 5 points for 1st ........ and also add to this system the 1 point per head taken
I would also suggest using the capped system, as anyone can still pheasibly join in the last week of any given month and still obtain a score ..... I also agree again with putting the cap at 10.
I will run a dummy league this week from Mon to Fri ( I will use all the three formats given and post them on Sat to give all a chance to look at it them)
hope all are ok with this and I'll crack on with the various sheets
From a purely selfish point of view I would prefer some form of capped league. I am unlikely to be able to play anywhere near as many as some on here so would be nice if it was the best 10 or so results in a month, that would still give lower volume players a chance, however slim.
Last night for example I thoroughly enjoyed the £5 one, which rekindled my enthusiasm for a bit of poker having been well and truly slaughtered by running like a dog on spin up tables over the last week or so (vowed to give them up and then Sky does a promotion, talk about rubbing salt into the wounds!) The Hi Lo MTT was full of friendly banter and not a harsh word said by anyone. Unfortunately after 3 hours in that one there was no way I was going to play the £10 one as the potential first prize would in no way cover the cost of my divorce!
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) Feedback on new league needed : No, as you are much more likely to do better if you can count your top 10 finishes from 50 entries than top 10 from 10, for example. I think. Posted by Enut
Sounds expensive.Harsh, where have i heard that before! VWD yesterday.
This sounds like a great idea and scouse reds suggestion looks good to me.Got to agree with a capped league as not everybody can play every night , i would like to play every night but like others sometimes i have a early start at work which means no late poker . Btw wp Enut bouncing back from a slow start (down to 600 chips) to winning it was very good. Well done
ok my twopenneth worth ........... the scoring system of working up sounds like a good one to me 1 point for last working up ......... however I would be tempted to add and extra 2 points for 3rd 3 points for 2nd and 5 points for 1st ........ and also add to this system the 1 point per head taken I would also suggest using the capped system, as anyone can still pheasibly join in the last week of any given month and still obtain a score ..... I also agree again with putting the cap at 10. I will run a dummy league this week from Mon to Fri ( I will use all the three formats given and post them on Sat to give all a chance to look at it them) hope all are ok with this and I'll crack on with the various sheets Posted by scouse_red
This all sounds great to me! Mainly because it seems to reflect many of the suggestions that have been made in thread. There is weighting to the top places but everyone is getting some points for playing and this general system awards more points (rightly so IMO) the more players you beat. The capped system also judging by the feedback seems the only sensible option to ensure that it is not only the players who play every night have a chance of winning. There is obviously still an advantage to playing loads of them (again rightly so IMO at least) but someone could certainly turn up for a smaller amount of games and walk away with top place.
I know this must be a lot of work for you to do and therefore if you are happy with this and nobody has any serious objections I suggest skipping any 'polls' as this method does seem to generally reflect the feedback from players.
I think it was chilling who suggested a points reward for taking down both on 1 night? Not sure if this can be added in too? Doubling the points won for that night would seem reasonable? I am confident this will happen but it will probably be a rare occurence to win both on the 1 night. I would guess someone might do it once every other month. Not a dealbreaker this point and if anyone has any objections then just chip in with them here.
Regarding the idea of a prize for whoever collects most bounties in a single tourney each month. We could maybe leave that with Sky to decide if they want to add this.
@Enut congrats for winning the £5.50er! and also congrats to Suzy for the £11er. I chuckled at the divorce statement
I think it was chilling who suggested a points reward for taking down both on 1 night? Not sure if this can be added in too? Doubling the points won for that night would seem reasonable? I am confident this will happen but it will probably be a rare occurence to win both on the 1 night. I would guess someone might do it once every other month.
my 2 cents-but why? is winning 2 on one night better than 2 1sts on consequective nights?
i think doubling the score is way too much, maybe an extra 10 pts per 1st.
also i think you under estimate the frequency that this might happen-just in the last 3-4 PL08 thurs eve, MArkycash got 2 1sts, myself a 1,2,3, cormach a 1,2. i wouldnt be surprised if someone did this once a fortnight.
I think it was chilling who suggested a points reward for taking down both on 1 night? Not sure if this can be added in too? Doubling the points won for that night would seem reasonable? I am confident this will happen but it will probably be a rare occurence to win both on the 1 night. I would guess someone might do it once every other month. my 2 cents-but why? is winning 2 on one night better than 2 1sts on consequective nights? i think doubling the score is way too much, maybe an extra 10 pts per 1st. also i think you under estimate the frequency that this might happen-just in the last 3-4 PL08 thurs eve, MArkycash got 2 1sts, myself a 1,2,3, cormach a 1,2. i wouldnt be surprised if someone did this once a fortnight. Posted by suzy666
Fair point Suzy. Does anyone have any objections to a 10 point bonus per 1st is someone does the double on one of the evenings?
I personally wouldn't have much of a bonus if any at all.
Although a fantastic achievement, I think doubling someones points when you are capping it at ten is too much. They are already getting a big surge up the league which I feel is reward enough.
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) : Fair point Suzy. Does anyone have any objections to a 10 point bonus per 1st is someone does the double on one of the evenings? Posted by markycash
Ah, you got there first. I think that is going the right way if you are going to go down the bonus route,
It doesn't affect me cos I have absolutely no clue about how to play PLO8 past understanding hand rankings etc. but if you're gonna give points for all positions i.e. first bust out gets 1 point, 2nd person to bust gets 2 points etc then imo you deffo need to increase the points around the FT mark.
It just seems 'wrong' that if you had 2 MTTs both with 30 runners each, one person busts first in one but wins the other for 31 points total, while someone else comes 14th two nights in a row and has 32 points. It's clear (to me at least) which of those sets of results is better. It should imo be weighted towards doing well (in an MTT sense - trying to win) rather than who can ladder the most.
Fwiw, if you give someone 10 bonus points for winning both, on top of the fact they get the max points in each comp for winning them, it'll just be gg that week/month or whatever, cos it's vv unlikely they'll catchable
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) : Ah, you got there first. I think that is going the right way if you are going to go down the bonus route, Ed. Posted by edrich
It just seems 'wrong' that if you had 2 MTTs both with 30 runners each, one person busts first in one but wins the other for 31 points total, while someone else comes 14th two nights in a row and has 32 points. It's clear (to me at least) which of those sets of results is better. Posted by Lambert180
I know what you mean but I think the cap would mitigate this to some extent in relation to the leaderboard. If the leaderboard wasn't capped then I think the other system used in the Thursday leagues would be better.
imo you deffo need to increase the points around the FT mark. Posted by Lambert180
Agreed, the increases that scouse indicated seem fair though? especially when you factor in that bonus points are awarded for taking bounties which should offer a little incentive to not simply ladder.
I guess we can just scrap any points bonus if there are no major objections, I mean it is a fair point that winning both on one night would already mean you were getting a huge haul of points.
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@Suzy It was a monthly one that was suggested by Tikay which I personally feel would work better, especially with a capped number of results which I also agree would probably be best to help give more people a shot.
@Phantom I agree a little something for the most bounties taken by anyone in a single night over the month would be good. Just depends if TK and Sky agree to this addition
The scoring system seems to be the point with least consensus. Would a system were the FT gets points (1st = 10 points, 2nd = 7 points, 3rd = 5points, 4-6th = 2points and 1 point for any other type of cash) or one that gives points for placement (last = 1 point then 1 extra point for each position upwards you gain) be best?
Last night for example I thoroughly enjoyed the £5 one, which rekindled my enthusiasm for a bit of poker having been well and truly slaughtered by running like a dog on spin up tables over the last week or so (vowed to give them up and then Sky does a promotion, talk about rubbing salt into the wounds!) The Hi Lo MTT was full of friendly banter and not a harsh word said by anyone. Unfortunately after 3 hours in that one there was no way I was going to play the £10 one as the potential first prize would in no way cover the cost of my divorce!
I know this must be a lot of work for you to do and therefore if you are happy with this and nobody has any serious objections I suggest skipping any 'polls' as this method does seem to generally reflect the feedback from players.
I think it was chilling who suggested a points reward for taking down both on 1 night? Not sure if this can be added in too? Doubling the points won for that night would seem reasonable? I am confident this will happen but it will probably be a rare occurence to win both on the 1 night. I would guess someone might do it once every other month. Not a dealbreaker this point and if anyone has any objections then just chip in with them here.
Regarding the idea of a prize for whoever collects most bounties in a single tourney each month. We could maybe leave that with Sky to decide if they want to add this.
@Enut congrats for winning the £5.50er! and also congrats to Suzy for the £11er. I chuckled at the divorce statement
Agreed, the increases that scouse indicated seem fair though? especially when you factor in that bonus points are awarded for taking bounties which should offer a little incentive to not simply ladder.
I guess we can just scrap any points bonus if there are no major objections, I mean it is a fair point that winning both on one night would already mean you were getting a huge haul of points.