Personally, I think the biggest problem with women in Poker starts at the very bottom.
IMO the most accessible live Poker is pub games - Can you even get a more male-dominated environment? I'm gonna put my neck on the line and suggest that most women don't want to be stuck at a table for the 2-4 hour duration of a pub tournament, maybe longer, being hit on by married middle aged men who are getting progressively more drunk and creepy as the tournament progresses, whilst being the only female in the pub.
Let's have the most accessible live Poker take place in a less misogynystic environment, please. Local casinos while far from perfect, are at least somewhat more inviting to women than some out of the way space or room in a pub. At least if some guy is a jerk in a casino, the woman (or anyone) can call the floor over and have them dealt with.
People like to take an interest in what people close to them are doing, and somewhere around ~95% of live Poker players are male, so encourage women to try Poker when their husband/boyfriend plays, at a price where if they come to the casino and suck because they're a newbie, then whatever, it's a tenner and it's still good fun. It's not for lack of enjoying the game, because if you play Poker on a play money Facebook app like Zynga, far more than 5% are women.
I really hope that a casino somewhere *cough* DTD PLEASE *cough* runs a "Enter your partner for free/half price/rake free" type promo on a cheap weeknight MTT, to encourage a predominantly male player base to get their partners involved in Poker, in a much less intimidating environment at little or no expense, and almost certainly with more women per table to make women feel more comfortable. If successful in bringing female players into live Poker, the casino would soon make that money back in future reg fees, food/drink sales, and other casino games where the house has an edge - Plus women will then discuss positive experiences of Poker with female friends, and maybe Bingo night becomes Poker night, who knows?
That makes far more sense to me than all these womens' tournaments, which I despise. The end goal shouldn't be to play Poker just against other women, it should be to play Poker in a field of men and women, and women's tournaments don't do anything to encourage women play in a regular MTT. If anything, the more common they become, the more they'll do to discourage women from playing unisex tournaments, because women simply won't have to. They're like trying to cure a fear of spiders by getting someone to catch spiders in your house and put them outside - It doesn't fix the underlying problem of being afraid of spiders, it just brushes the problem under the carpet. In a game where men and women should be 'equal', segregation is never the answer.
Personally, I think the biggest problem with women in Poker starts at the very bottom. IMO the most accessible live Poker is pub games - Can you even get a more male-dominated environment? I'm gonna put my neck on the line and suggest that most women don't want to be stuck at a table for the 2-4 hour duration of a pub tournament, maybe longer, being hit on by married middle aged men who are getting progressively more drunk and creepy as the tournament progresses, whilst being the only female in the pub. Let's have the most accessible live Poker take place in a less misogynystic environment, please. Local casinos while far from perfect, are at least somewhat more inviting to women than some out of the way space or room in a pub. At least if some guy is a jerk in a casino, the woman (or anyone) can call the floor over and have them dealt with. People like to take an interest in what people close to them are doing, and somewhere around ~95% of live Poker players are male, so encourage women to try Poker when their husband/boyfriend plays, at a price where if they come to the casino and suck because they're a newbie, then whatever, it's a tenner and it's still good fun. It's not for lack of enjoying the game, because if you play Poker on a play money Facebook app like Zynga, far more than 5% are women. I really hope that a casino somewhere *cough* DTD PLEASE *cough* runs a "Enter your partner for free/half price/rake free" type promo on a cheap weeknight MTT, to encourage a predominantly male player base to get their partners involved in Poker, in a much less intimidating environment at little or no expense, and almost certainly with more women per table to make women feel more comfortable. If successful in bringing female players into live Poker, the casino would soon make that money back in future reg fees, food/drink sales, and other casino games where the house has an edge - Plus women will then discuss positive experiences of Poker with female friends, and maybe Bingo night becomes Poker night, who knows? That makes far more sense to me than all these womens' tournaments, which I despise. The end goal shouldn't be to play Poker just against other women, it should be to play Poker in a field of men and women, and women's tournaments don't do anything to encourage women play in a regular MTT. If anything, the more common they become, the more they'll do to discourage women from playing unisex tournaments, because women simply won't have to. They're like trying to cure a fear of spiders by getting someone to catch spiders in your house and put them outside - It doesn't fix the underlying problem of being afraid of spiders, it just brushes the problem under the carpet. In a game where men and women should be 'equal', segregation is never the answer. Posted by EvilPingu
I agree they should all be inspected before their allowed to play. ! "I volunteer"
^^ Really not the most considered of responses goldon.
I get that it is tongue in cheek (definitely no pun intended)... however EvilPingu has written a very well thought out post which you have replied to by highlighting 1 word 'bottom'. Seems incredibly immature and a bit tastless.
@EvilPingu... I think the analogy about the pubs, while probably accurate a lot of the time, is a little 'sweeping'. I fully agree with your points about the womens tourneys and the rake idea is very interesting. It really would be great to encourage more women to play poker and I am surprised that more is not being done considering the current challenging poker industry conditions.
^^ Really not the most considered of responses goldon. I get that it is tongue in cheek (definitely no pun intended)... however EvilPingu has written a very well thought out post which you have replied to by highlighting 1 word 'bottom'. Seems incredibly immature and a bit tastless. @EvilPingu... I think the analogy about the pubs, while probably accurate a lot of the time, is a little 'sweeping'. I fully agree with your points about the womens tourneys and the rake idea is very interesting. It really would be great to encourage more women to play poker and I am surprised that more is not being done considering the current challenging poker industry conditions. Posted by markycash
I have accurately once played in a pub and never again would I,Husband and myself were on holiday in the uk never felt so uncomfortable being laughed at because I could not deal the cards without the male players on my table telling me of because I had no idea at the time they could see what I was dealing,they were rude and did not even give me a chance to tell them I had only ever played on line (:(:(: one bad experience so one post about a bottom means nothing to me to the abuse I went through (:(:(: just carry on guys you sure no how to humiliate a girl playing poker for the first time in a pub (:(:(
I have accurately once played in a pub and never again would I,Husband and myself were on holiday in the uk never felt so uncomfortable being laughed at because I could not deal the cards without the male players on my table telling me of because I had no idea at the time they could see what I was dealing,they were rude and did not even give me a chance to tell them I had only ever played on line (:(:(: one bad experience so one post about a bottom means nothing to me to the abuse I went through (:(:(: just carry on guys you sure no how to humiliate a girl playing poker for the first time in a pub (:(:( Posted by paige55
I was shocked by there attitude to me,hence I was the first to go out of the game butch of bullies (:(:(:
In Response to Re: Women can't play poker. : That's told me then!....... you need guidance can't think for yourself. all friendly banter from me.? Posted by goldon
Undoubtably its not 'you told', given an attitude like yours takes time to develop, I am certain you have ignored 'being told' before.
But of course you can hide your clearly mysoginistic views behind the 'banter' curtain, it seems lately this tactic is being employed across many subjects and by many people.
I wonder would you feel the same if you were the minority putting up with this kind of 'banter'.
People like you are at the very heart of the problem we have encouraging women to play, why don't you stick to The Rail, at least then I don't feel the need to read your drivel.
In Response to Re: Women can't play poker. : Undoubtably its not 'you told', given an attitude like yours takes time to develop, I am certain you have ignored 'being told' before. But of course you can hide your clearly mysoginistic views behind the 'banter' curtain, it seems lately this tactic is being employed across many subjects and by many people. I wonder would you feel the same if you were the minority putting up with this kind of 'banter'. People like you are at the very heart of the problem we have encouraging women to play, why don't you stick to The Rail, at least then I don't feel the need to read your drivel. Posted by HENDRIK62
Why have not replied to my post and not what goldon posted Posted by paige55
I feel for you Paige, first time I played live it was a self deal in a casino and I was as nervous as a kitten, I can only imagine how much harder it must have been as a lone female.
The problem is that what others think is banter is more than likely very hurtful and intimidating to the person on the receiving end.
That was the gist of pingus post and the reason I +1ed markys post.
And I take exception to the drivel that goldon posts in the rail, I also post on his thread so I guess that it where I should also stay, (:(:( I can not have an opinion on my own then (:(:(
Shall we carry on with the bullying of goldon seems to me that is what you all would like to do (:(:(:( And this was supposed to be a chat about females playing live poker I told you my story but none of you seem to care that guys abused me when I played my first live game of poker (:(:(:
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I get that it is tongue in cheek (definitely no pun intended)... however EvilPingu has written a very well thought out post which you have replied to by highlighting 1 word 'bottom'. Seems incredibly immature and a bit tastless.
@EvilPingu... I think the analogy about the pubs, while probably accurate a lot of the time, is a little 'sweeping'. I fully agree with your points about the womens tourneys and the rake idea is very interesting. It really would be great to encourage more women to play poker and I am surprised that more is not being done considering the current challenging poker industry conditions.
That's told me then!....... you need guidance can't think for yourself. all friendly banter from me.?