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FRIDAY SCOOP6 TRIAL RUN (P.S. NOT A CAT IN ****'S CHANCE OF IT BEING WON)

StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
edited April 2017 in Sports & Betting Chat
Hi, I have had to start a new thread for this as I want the spreadsheet on the opening post.

Following on from Wynne's request for a trial run of the Friday SCOOP6, see selections below:

The only decision I have made at this stage, in agreement with MICKYBLUE, is that, like it or not, ENNAADD (IN LEG 6) has to be our banker as there is no other feasible alternative.

This really is a shot in the dark. I will shortlist when more odds information is available tomorrow.

P.S. Thanks to Roger for the spreadsheet, I did spot one minor anomaly, and that is the RP ODDS of COURIER in the 2.55N should be 16/1 not 15/1. I have left it as 15/1 so you can see it.

Runners below (Draw Number Added) Shortlisted runners in blue. Has been whittled down, will make slight changes based on market moves just before the off:

  <td align="CENTER" style="border:1px so
DATE Friday
14/04/2017 SCOOP6 LINGFILED NEWCASTLE







LEG/TIME HORSE DRAW R-POST ODDS OV NIGHT MORN LATEST
L 2:10 01 - FIRST MOHICAN 3 14/1 18/1
22/1
L 2:10 02 - GAVLAR 4 33/1 50/1
66/1
L 2:10 03 - HAINES 9 25/1 33/1
33/1
L 2:10 04 - JOHN REEL 1 50/1 50/1
50/1
L 2:10 05 - PINZOLO 7 7/1 8/1
8/1
L 2:10 06 - STEVE ROGERS 5 20/1 20/1
20/1
L 2:10 07 - WATERSMEET 14 6/1 13/2
13/2
L 2:10 08 - WINTERLUDE 2 14/1 20/1
22/1
L 2:10 09 - COHESION 8 11/2 6/1
5/1
L 2:10 10 - PETITE JACK 6 10/1 9/1
9/1
L 2:10 11 - PRINCE OF ARRAN 13 8/1 15/2
8/1
L 2:10 12 - VETTORI RULES 10 40/1 40/1
66/1
L 2:10 13 - WINNING STORY 12 7/1 9/1
11/1
L 2:10 14 - NATURAL SCENERY 11 4/1 9/2
11/2







N 2:20 01 - STANGHOW 7 10/1 10/1
14/1
N 2:20 02 - SECRET MISSILE 13 20/1 20/1
20/1
N 2:20 03 - APROVADO 12 5/1 6/1
13/2
N 2:20 04 - FIRST BOMBARDMENT 11 10/1 11/1
9/1
N 2:20 05 - BAPAK ASMARM 6 12/1 12/1
14/1
N 2:20 06 - TYLER WONDER 9 10/1 12/1
16/1
N 2:20 07 - ART COLLECTION 1 11/2 6/1
6/1
N 2:20 08 - MONEY TEAM 5 10/1 11/1
12/1
N 2:20 09 - ORIENT CLASS 3 7/1 8/1
14/1
N 2:20 10 - EXCESSABLE 2 14/1 14/1
12/1
N 2:20 11 - NEW ROAD SIDE 10 12/1 12/1
12/1
N 2:20 12 - VAN GERWEN 8 9/1 9/1
8/1
N 2:20 13 - PADDY POWER 4 9/1 15/2
15/2







N 2:55 01 - COURIER 5 15/1 16/1
25/1
N :255 02 - FLORENCIO 9 9/1 10/1
10/1
N :255 03 - SAFE VOYAGE 2 NON RUNNER
N/A
N :255 04 - MUTAMID 3 9/2 5/1
9/2
N :255 05 - INAAM 4 5/1 6/1
6/1
N :255 06 - KALK BAY 8 16/1 25/1
16/1
N :255 07 - KINGSLEY KLARION 6 20/1 22/1
25/1
N :255 08 - SHORT WORK 10 10/1 10/1
12/1
N :255 09 - MON BEAU VISAGE 11 8/1 15/2
9/2
N :255 10 - LIKE NO OTHER 7 16/1 25/1
20/1
N :255 11 - AMOOD 1 14/1 16/1
16/1
N :255 12 - CHAPLIN BAY 12 14/1 16/1
11/1
N :255 13 - DEANSGATE 14 12/1 12/1
10/1
N :255 14 - RALPHY BOY 13 33/1 40/1
40/1







L 3:10 01 - BOOM THE GROOM 8 14/1 16/1
14/1
L 3:10 02 - DOC SPORTELLO 14 33/1 33/1
33/1
L 3:10 03 - ENCORE D'OR 11 20/1 20/1
20/1
L 3:10 04 - GRACIOUS JOHN 4 14/1 14/1
12/1
L 3:10 05 - KIMBERELLA 5 7/2 7/2
7/2
L 3:10 06 - LANCELOT DU LAC 6 100/30 4/1
4/1
L 3:10 07 - MYTHMAKER 1 8/1 10/1
9/1
L 3:10 08 - PRETEND 12 9/2 4/1
11/2
L 3:10 09 - REALIZE 9 20/1 22/1
28/1
L 3:10 10 - ROYAL BIRTH 3 7/1 15/2
81
L 3:10 11 - SIGN OF THE KODIAC 2 33/1 33/1
66/1
L 3:10 12 - VERNE CASTLE 10 20/1 28/1
50/1







N 3:25 01 - TAWDEEA 7 16/1 16/1
22/1
N 3:25 02 - TO BE WILD 10 3/1 4/1
4/1
N 3:25 03 - FABRICATE 5 8/1 10/1
9/1
N 3:25 04 - ABAREEQ 11 8/1 12/1
12/1
N 3:25 05 - BALLYNANTY 13 33/1 22/1
28/1
N 3:25 06 - WILD HACKED 14 9/2 6/1
13/2
N 3:25 07 - ERIK THE RED 4 14/1 12/1
11/1
N 3:25 08 - HAMELIN 2 16/1 25/1
28/1
N 3:25 09 - GOOD RUN 3 6/1 15/2
8/1
N 3:25 10 - MUSTAJEER 1 10/1 9/1
14/1
N 3:25 11 - INTENSE TANGO 6 33/1 33/1
50/1
N 3:25 12 - MISTIROC 12 25/1 25/1
20/1
N 3:25 13 - LORD GEORGE 9 14/1 12/1
14/1
N 3:25 14 -- FINAL 8 14/1 16/1
10/1







L 3:40 01 - ALFRED HUTCHINSON 1 33/1 40/1
50/1
L 3:40 02 - DONJUAN TRIUMPHANT 8 20/1 28/1
40/1
L 3:40 03 - ENNAADD 2 13/8 6/4
6/4
L 3:40 04 - KEYSTROKE 12 7/1 11/1
10/1
L 3:40 05 - MY TARGET 9 7/1 8/1
9/1
L 3:40 06 - MYTHICAL MADNESS 13 33/1 40/1
40/1
L 3:40 07 - NIMR 3 14/1 16/1
20/1
L 3:40 08 - QURBAAN 10 5/1 7/1
7/1
L 3:40 09 - SALATEEN 11 14/1 16/1
14/1
L 3:40 10 SOVERIGN DEBT 6 6/1 6/1
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Comments

  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited April 2017
    On the subject of draw, this is what drawbias.com has to say about the two tracks:

    LINGFIELD (A/W)

    Key Characteristics

    The Lingfield all weather course uses polytrack and the surface is probably the fastest of all the A/W racecourses in the UK. The belief is that front runners cannot win at Lingfield and because of this you often get falsely run races as nobody wants to lead. It is actually possible to win from the front if a horse gets given a soft lead. Otherwise the final turn which is preceded by a downhill section appears to act as a kind of slingshot similar to that in cycling, and the lead can change many times in the last furlong as horses shoot from the pack.

    5 FURLONGS:

    No particular bias here at all despite what the media would  have you believe about the perils of being drawn wide.

    6 FURLONGS:

    A very even spread suggests little advantage exists. The conclusion is no bias exists.

    7 FURLONGS:

    Not a big bias here, although it is interesting that the outside stall has won twice as many races as any other single stall. When horses are drawn in this outside stall you will often here pundits say that they have no chance as they are drawn in the car park. This obviously isn't true.

    8 FURLONGS:

    Rather surprisingly there appears to be a slight bias towards high drawn runners, and it seems a disadvantage to be drawn low


    PACE ANALYSIS:

    Lingfield has the reputation of a perfect course for hold up horses, with the last horse to commit for home normally winning. However the stats don’t back this up.

    As shown below apart from over 5 furlongs where hold up horses are favoured, over the other distances Lingfield is pretty average in terms of pace bias amongst the all weather courses.
    5 Furlongs – 5th out of 5 courses
    6 Furlongs - 3rd out of 5 courses
    7 Furlongs – 2nd out of 4 courses
    8 Furlongs – 3rd out of 5 courses


    END
  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited April 2017
    DRAW BIAS CONT: (from drawbias.com)

    NEWCASTLE (A/W)

    Key Characteristics

    Newcastle is the only All Weather racecourse in the country which has a straight mile. Together with its width this very much means that it is a galloping track. The surface is Tapeta, which is the same as the Chelmsford and Wolverhampton surfaces.

    5 FURLONGS:

    Obviously still very early days with little data to go on. But at the moment high draws, particularly very high does seem to be favoured over 5 furlongs at Newcastle with so far 9 of the 21 handicap races being won by horses drawn in one of the 2 highest stalls.

    6 FURLONGS:

    Very little data to go on yet, and I wouldn't want to draw any conclusions.

    7 FURLONGS:

    Like all of the distances on the straight at Newcastle their doesn't appear to be much of a draw bias, with high very slightly favoured

    ONE MILE:

    Not a great deal of data to go on, but early impressions are that any bias is negated over a mile where the horses have plenty of time to obtain track position.


    END





  • MICKYBLUEMICKYBLUE Member Posts: 2,035
    edited April 2017

    Leg 1 : 2:10 Lingfield 

    Petite Jack 9/1 draw 6

    Watersmeet 13/2 draw 14

    Natural Scenery 4/1 draw 11

    Leg 2 : 2:20 Newcastle horrid race 

    Aprovado 11/2 draw 12

    Excessable 12/1 draw 2

    Leg 3 : 2:55 Newcastle

    Safe Voyage 7/1 draw 2

    Inaam 5/1 draw 4

    Mutamid 9/2 draw 3

    Leg 4 : 3:10 Lingfield

    Lancelot Du Lac 7/2 draw 6

    Kimberella 7/2 draw 5

    Royal Birth  13/2 draw 3

    Leg 5 : 3:25 Newcastle

    Wild Hacked 6/1 draw 14

    Abareeq 12/1 draw 11

    To Be Wild 4/1 draw 10

    Leg 6 : 3:40 Lingfield

    Ennaadd (BANKER)  11/8


    i tried to keep selections to a minimum but you could pretty much make a case for anything winning the 2:20.
    we do need a banker and went for the last but would be pretty narked if rest came good to lose on last ;)

    newcastle draws will be diff aswell as not had enough racing so went with 1 either end.
  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited April 2017
    The opening post has been updated with the first pass.

    The perm size is prohibitive atm, so will need to be whittled down shortly.

    Safe Voyage is a Non Runner in the 2.55 Newcastle, if someone could update this thread with NR's as and when that would be handy.

    Cheers,

    G
  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited April 2017
    Hi, I have whittled down the runners on the opening post to a reasonable sized perm. I will make a few amendments based on market moves just before the off.

    Inevitably in these types of fields there is at least one outsider that knocks everyone out of the SCOOP6, so confidence level is very low, but just for fun, we wouldn't go near this with a barge pole in reality.

    Also our strategy is to cover at least 60% of the betting market in each leg.

    With the number of runners here, combined with how open the races are, this is not possible, so it is literally, just a hypothetical punt as the strategy is for smaller fields and less competitive races.

    Anyhow, Enjoy!
  • wynne1938wynne1938 Member Posts: 20,556
    edited April 2017
    My final picks.I have just done a n accumalator.
    PlacedDescriptionOddsStake (£)Pot. Return (£)Status
    14-Apr-17
    11:31:04
    6 Folds (x48) 13:10 AW MARATHON CONDITIONS STAKES 1m 7f 169y, 13:10 AW MARATHON CONDITIONS STAKES 1m 7f 169y
    Betfair Bet ID O/0786566/0000659

    4.80 -- Open

    13:10 AW MARATHON CONDITIONS STAKES 1m 7f 169y
    Pinzolo - Win
    Best Odds Guaranteed
    --
    9
    -- -- Open

    13:10 AW MARATHON CONDITIONS STAKES 1m 7f 169y
    Cohesion - Win
    Best Odds Guaranteed
    --
    6
    -- -- Open

    13:20 HANDICAP 5f
    Art Collection - Win
    Best Odds Guaranteed
    --
    7
    -- -- Open

    13:20 HANDICAP 5f
    Orient Class - Win
    Best Odds Guaranteed
    --
    13
    -- -- Open

    13:20 HANDICAP 5f
    New Road Side - Win
    Best Odds Guaranteed
    --
    11
    -- -- Open

    13:20 HANDICAP 5f
    Aprovado - Win
    Best Odds Guaranteed
    --
    7
    -- -- Open

    13:55 HANDICAP 7f 14yds
    Florencio - Win
    Best Odds Guaranteed
    --
    8.5
    -- -- Open

    13:55 HANDICAP 7f 14yds
    Mon Beau Visage - Win
    Best Odds Guaranteed
    --
    5
    -- -- Open

    13:55 HANDICAP 7f 14yds
    Chaplin Bay - Win
    Best Odds Guaranteed
    --
    11
    -- -- Open

    14:10 AW SPRINT CHAMPIONSHIPS CONDITIONS STAKES 6f
    Kimberella - Win
    Best Odds Guaranteed
    --
    4.5
    -- -- Open

    14:10 AW SPRINT CHAMPIONSHIPS CONDITIONS STAKES 6f
    Lancelot Du Lac - Win
    Best Odds Guaranteed
    --
    5
    -- -- Open

    14:25 BETWAY HANDICAP 1m 4f 98yds
    To Be Wild - Win
    Best Odds Guaranteed
    --
    5
    -- -- Open

    14:40 AW MILE CHAMPIONSHIPS CONDITIONS STAKES 1m 1
    Ennaadd - Win
    Best Odds Guaranteed
    --
    2.37
    -- -- Open
  • wynne1938wynne1938 Member Posts: 20,556
    edited April 2017
    Could'nt leave without trying the scoop 6
    Bet Details
    ReceiptP/10151841/0004186
    Bet placed at14/04/2017 12:41
    Bet TypeSingle
    Pool TypeScoop6
    Bet ChannelInternet
    Number of lines4
    Stake per line£2.00
    Total stake£8.00
    SettledN

    Selection Details
    Class/SportEvent Type EventMarketDateSelectionNotes
    Tote PoolsScoop6Clone Race of Lingfield Park Race 2 Pool Betting 14/04/2017 14:10Pinzolo &
    Cohesion
    Tote PoolsScoop6Clone Race of Newcastle Race 2 Pool Betting 14/04/2017 14:20Aprovado
    Tote PoolsScoop6Clone Race of Newcastle Race 3 Pool Betting 14/04/2017 14:55Florencio &
    Mon Beau Visage
    Tote PoolsScoop6Clone Race of Lingfield Park Race 4 Pool Betting 14/04/2017 15:10Kimberella
    Tote PoolsScoop6Clone Race of Newcastle Race 4 Pool Betting 14/04/2017 15:25To Be Wild
    Tote PoolsScoop6Clone Race of Lingfield Park Race 5 Pool Betting 14/04/2017 15:40Ennaadd
  • wynne1938wynne1938 Member Posts: 20,556
    edited April 2017
    Good luck all
    I will be out for a while.
  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited April 2017
    GL.

    I am not as brave as Wynne to attempt the SCOOP6 but will do some Placepots at Lingfield and Newcastle. Will post my selections here shortly:
  • MICKYBLUEMICKYBLUE Member Posts: 2,035
    edited April 2017
    i think we would need more choices in the 2nd 
    perm would need to be massive to have half a chance

    either way pretty decent racing today and some very competitive races so good enjoyment for free :)


  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited April 2017
    My Lingfield Placepot below:

    Bet Confirmation Required

    You have made the following selections. Please confirm to place bet.

    Meeting:  Lingfield Park
    Your selections: Leg 1:13:40Amazour (2)
    Leg 1:13:40Holiday Magic (6)
    Leg 1:13:40Hakam (10)
    Leg 1:13:40War Glory (14)
    Leg 2:14:10Pinzolo (5)
    Leg 2:14:10Watersmeet (7)
    Leg 2:14:10Cohesion (9)
    Leg 2:14:10Petite Jack (10)
    Leg 2:14:10Natural Scenery (14)
    Leg 3:14:40Ashadihan (1)
    Leg 3:14:40Muffri'Ha (6)
    Leg 4:15:10Kimberella (5)
    Leg 4:15:10Mythmaker (7)
    Leg 4:15:10Royal Birth (10)
    Leg 5:15:40Ennaadd (3)
    Leg 5:15:40Sovereign Debt (10)
    Leg 6:16:10Second Thought (5)
    Leg 6:16:10Dubai One (10)
  • MICKYBLUEMICKYBLUE Member Posts: 2,035
    edited April 2017
    In Response to Re: FRIDAY SCOOP6 TRIAL RUN (P.S. NOT A CAT IN ****'S CHANCE OF IT BEING WON):
    GL. I am not as brave as Wynne to attempt the SCOOP6 but will do some Placepots at Lingfield and Newcastle. Will post my selections here shortly:
    Posted by StayOrGo
    i did 1 scoop6 last night (must of banged my head) 
    done lingfield placepot which i cannot find, anybody know where on skybet this will be? found it thanks!


  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited April 2017
    My Newcastle Placepot:

    Bet Confirmation Required

    You have made the following selections. Please confirm to place bet.

    Meeting:  Newcastle
    Your selections: Leg 1:13:50Cheeseandpickle (1)
    Leg 1:13:50Kheleyf's Girl (4)
    Leg 1:13:50Marsh Storm (5)
    Leg 1:13:50Peace Prevails (7)
    Leg 2:14:20Aprovado (3)
    Leg 2:14:20First Bombardment (4)
    Leg 2:14:20New Road Side (11)
    Leg 3:14:55Mutamid (4)
    Leg 3:14:55Mon Beau Visage (9)
    Leg 3:14:55Chaplin Bay (12)
    Leg 4:15:25To Be Wild (2)
    Leg 4:15:25Fabricate (3)
    Leg 4:15:25Erik The Red (7)
    Leg 5:15:55South Seas (4)
    Leg 5:15:55Taamol (6)
    Leg 6:16:25Briardale (3)
    Leg 6:16:25Codeshare (4)
    Leg 6:16:25Detachment (6)
    show allhideTotal Lines: 648 @ £0.10.Total Stake: £64.80Total Bets: 648
  • MICKYBLUEMICKYBLUE Member Posts: 2,035
    edited April 2017
     lingfield placepot (skybet need to work on there receipt imo)

    leg 1 WAR GLORY

    leg 2 PETITE JACK
           WINNING STORY
           WATERSMEET

    leg 3 ASHIDIAN

    leg 4 Lancelot Du Lac 
            Kimberella

    leg 5ENNAADD

    leg 6 Second Thought 
             Dubai One
  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited April 2017
    OK, regarding the SCOOP6, I am going to leave it as it currently is on the opening post.

    It would just be too big a perm to add any more, it's certainly a "would be" long shot.

    GL to all those having a bet.
  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited April 2017
    In Response to Re: FRIDAY SCOOP6 TRIAL RUN (P.S. NOT A CAT IN ****'S CHANCE OF IT BEING WON):
     lingfield placepot (skybet need to work on there receipt imo) leg 1 WAR GLORY leg 2 PETITE JACK        WINNING STORY        WATERSMEET leg 3 ASHIDIAN leg 4  Lancelot Du Lac          Kimberella leg 5ENNAADD leg 6  Second Thought           Dubai One
    Posted by MICKYBLUE
    GL with this Micky
  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited April 2017
    In Response to Re: FRIDAY SCOOP6 TRIAL RUN (P.S. NOT A CAT IN ****'S CHANCE OF IT BEING WON):
     lingfield placepot (skybet need to work on there receipt imo) leg 1 WAR GLORY leg 2 PETITE JACK        WINNING STORY        WATERSMEET leg 3 ASHIDIAN leg 4  Lancelot Du Lac          Kimberella leg 5ENNAADD leg 6  Second Thought           Dubai One
    Posted by MICKYBLUE
    I see you had Winning Story here, well done! It was one that I removed to reduce the perm size.

    I don't think Winning Story was in your original selections on Wynne's initial thread, which was a shame, other wise we'd still be in with our "virtual" bet. GL with the Placepot.

    Cheers,

    G
  • MICKYBLUEMICKYBLUE Member Posts: 2,035
    edited April 2017
    In Response to Re: FRIDAY SCOOP6 TRIAL RUN (P.S. NOT A CAT IN ****'S CHANCE OF IT BEING WON):
    In Response to Re: FRIDAY SCOOP6 TRIAL RUN (P.S. NOT A CAT IN ****'S CHANCE OF IT BEING WON) : GL with this Micky
    Posted by StayOrGo
    ty mate we both going strong still 
  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited April 2017
    Well done Wynne with Art Collection in the 2nd leg.
  • MICKYBLUEMICKYBLUE Member Posts: 2,035
    edited April 2017
    In Response to Re: FRIDAY SCOOP6 TRIAL RUN (P.S. NOT A CAT IN ****'S CHANCE OF IT BEING WON):
    In Response to Re: FRIDAY SCOOP6 TRIAL RUN (P.S. NOT A CAT IN ****'S CHANCE OF IT BEING WON) : I see you had Winning Story here, well done! It was one that I removed to reduce the perm size. I don't think Winning Story was in your original selections on Wynne's initial thread, which was a shame, other wise we'd still be in with our "virtual" bet. GL with the Placepot. Cheers, G
    Posted by StayOrGo
    yep i had more study this morn and added him i should of added him to the scoop aswell 
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