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Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards

EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
edited August 2017 in Poker Chat
It goes without saying that the Manchester leg of SPT was a huge success. Obviously Brighton has been announced in November. Nothing after that has been announced yet, understandably, but presumably there'll be an SPT in 2018. Therefore, I'm wondering:

- Are there more legs beyond Brighton that have been confirmed with casinos and are waiting to be announced?

- Will we get a full schedule announced for 2018 in due course (Maybe in Brighton?), or is it more likely to be announced one leg at a time?

- Are future SPTs for the time being likely to remain at £220 with the same structure, or will there be variation in BI and structure? Know there's been £110 1 day SPTs previously, as well as £330 'Grand final' legs at DTD in the past.

- What venues are 'off limits', due to other tours or relationship with other sites? Is a DTD leg still a possibility despite their links with Party? Are Genting still notoriously unwilling to host any other tours despite closing down their iPoker skin?
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited August 2017
    In a thread a while back, one of many about more live events / bring back the SPTs etc, Tikay made it quite clear that they were being looked into and that one of the problems was availability of casinos without tie-ins to competitor sites.

    Caesers UK was mentioned as a possibility and it was not confirmed or denied by Tikay.

    Given that the first 2 events are in Caesers UK owned Casinos, I could hazard a guess at other possible locations (i.e Rendezvous Southend, ALEA Glasgow, ALEA Nottingham, Empire London).

    Not familiar with any of them so I cannot comment on whether some may not be suitable from a card room size point of view.

    Thought it worth a bump anyway to see if anything can be said about possible/probable no. of SPTs next year.













  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited August 2017
    Cheers, was a tad reluctant to bump it myself and eventually forgot I even created the thread :o

    I think Alea Glasgow hosted the "North" leg also in 2012 when they split the SPT between 2 venues (Brighton/Glasgow) on the same day. If I'm correct about that, then presumably it's still capable of hosting an SPT.

    Alea Nottingham tends to get all of the Poker tours that want to go to Nottingham but can't go to DTD for whatever reason, so I imagine they're capable of hosting an SPT too. Gets some stick sometimes, probably because it's in the same city as DTD and it isn't DTD, yet gets held to the same exceptionally high standards.

    Know there was an Alea in Leeds too that previously hosted an SPT around 2011, but I think that closed down :( Solarcarro used to be a regular there I think, I remember him always posting live brags. Been forever since he posted on here though. I remember Julian Thew was in the middle of a streak of just FTing every live event he played at the time. #Standard. JockBMW cashed too, from memory.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited August 2017

    Morning chaps.

    Firstly, apologies that I had not replied to the OP. I feel quite bad to be honest, I'm generally very diligent in replying to all (sensible) questions.

    I do know the answers to most of those questions, but I'm not sure if The Business want to show their hand at this stage. I did send a note up to the Office asking them to clarify a few things, & asking them if they minded me replying, & if so, how. I've not had a reply yet, but that's not dissing them - they are all very busy, lots of Autumn & Winter plans are currently being finalised, some of which will be revealed quite soon. 

    Some background here is that the Poker Team - all of whom were at SPT Manchester, so many of you will have met - is small, compact, & all very busy, whilst I don't have much on my plate right now, so I end up bombarding them with often relatively trivial questions & notes every day. They must dread opening up their laptops some mornings - especially on Mondays - fearing all the guff I will have sent up overnight or over the weekend either by e-Mail or our internal Slack channel.
     
    Anyway, as to the main thrust of Andy's OP, if The Business give me the green light, I'll reply as appropriate.
     
    For now, I'll pick up on a few things.

    More follows.....   
     
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards:
    It goes without saying that the Manchester leg of SPT was a huge success. Obviously Brighton has been announced in November. Nothing after that has been announced yet, understandably, but presumably there'll be an SPT in 2018. Therefore, I'm wondering: - Are there more legs beyond Brighton that have been confirmed with casinos and are waiting to be announced? - Will we get a full schedule announced for 2018 in due course (Maybe in Brighton?), or is it more likely to be announced one leg at a time? - Are future SPTs for the time being likely to remain at £220 with the same structure, or will there be variation in BI and structure? Know there's been £110 1 day SPTs previously, as well as £330 'Grand final' legs at DTD in the past. - What venues are 'off limits', due to other tours or relationship with other sites? Is a DTD leg still a possibility despite their links with Party? Are Genting still notoriously unwilling to host any other tours despite closing down their iPoker skin?
    Posted by EvilPingu
    Any "live" venues which are closely allied with UK facing Online Poker Sites are pretty much off limits, to be honest.

    DTD, as you know, are very much in bed with PP, so at the moment, it's not really feasible. The landscape changes so quickly & frequently, you never know what the position may be in 6 or 12 months though. Both The Business & me personally remain on excellent terms with DTD, & Rob Yong, who owns DTD, remains a close friend of mine. We have never had a fallout or anything like that - commercial considerations just means that at this moment in time, we can't really do live gigs together.


    When Sky Poker held a live event at DTD, DTD insisted that our players became Members of DTD, & that meant our players had to divulge their e-Mail addresses to DTD. DTD is a business, always on the look out for more players, so its easy to imagine what they did with those e-Maill addresses - spam the players. Nothing wrong with that, I'd do the same, & so would you, but it's not ideal, is it?

    So, right now, it's a no to DTD, but as I said earlier, that could change at any time.  
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited August 2017

    SolarCarro posted on this Forum last week actually, but you are right really - we don't see much of him on here these days, sadly.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards:
    Cheers, was a tad reluctant to bump it myself and eventually forgot I even created the thread :o I think Alea Glasgow hosted the "North" leg also in 2012 when they split the SPT between 2 venues (Brighton/Glasgow) on the same day. If I'm correct about that, then presumably it's still capable of hosting an SPT. Alea Nottingham tends to get all of the Poker tours that want to go to Nottingham but can't go to DTD for whatever reason, so I imagine they're capable of hosting an SPT too. Gets some stick sometimes, probably because it's in the same city as DTD and it isn't DTD, yet gets held to the same exceptionally high standards. Know there was an Alea in Leeds too that previously hosted an SPT around 2011, but I think that closed down :( Solarcarro used to be a regular there I think, I remember him always posting live brags. Been forever since he posted on here though. I remember Julian Thew was in the middle of a streak of just FTing every live event he played at the time. #Standard. JockBMW cashed too, from memory.
    Posted by EvilPingu
    It's most unlike you to get basic facts wrong, Andy, but no, it was not Alea Leeds, it was Grosvenor Leeds. And yeah, Thewy was 3rd, & Jock BMW was 8th.
     
    It was won by Adam Bromley, HappyNige was 5th, and Barry Carter was 7th. Barry is the best poker journalist on earth - not even close - & remains to this day a very good friend of mine. He writes most of the serious stuff on Poker Strategy, & was co-author of The Mental Game of Poker. 

    The event was memorable for a bizarre play in the Final. HappyNige was in seat 1, Barry Carter was in Seat 9, & they were only separated by the Dealer.

    HappyNige was wearing headphones, & not paying attention, & it was passed to Barry in the SB who announced all-in. Nige, thinking he was facing a regular raise announced "call" as he had not seen or heard Barry move all-in. Nige had the old 7-2, & could not really call, but the TD ruled he had to call, so he did, & of course he somehow did a get & that left Barry with dust.

    Dave Nicholson - "lilDave" - played too, as did the CEO of SB&G, Richard Flint.  
      
     

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited August 2017

    I mentioned above how quickly the online poker landscape can change.

    As it happened, that SPT in Leeds came just 3 weeks after Black Friday.

    I interviewed Richard Flint at that SPT, & he suggested that Black Friday would mean regulation for Online Poker. That is something that started soon after, & has continued to this day. It's a good thing, too, but it does complicate matters.
     
    Here's Richard Flint being interviewed at SPT Leeds by Yours Truly. One of us has aged quite badly. No prizes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoEX6ojLdGQ



  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited August 2017
    Are we looking at Broadway as an SPT venue?
    Just wondering
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards:
    Are we looking at Broadway as an SPT venue? Just wondering
    Posted by Jac35
    Why, you played there before, perhaps?
  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards:
    Are we looking at Broadway as an SPT venue? Just wondering
    Posted by Jac35
    Ha that could be fun Jac :)

    Cracking interview Tikay. Some more interviews like this with any of the individuals from the higher echelons of Sky Poker in the future would be great. Gives the the players an idea of the direction Sky wants to move in and adds a nice personal touch from the management.
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited August 2017
    New super casino in Leeds, and they have a free buffet every Wednesday.

    I propose we start SPT Leeds, should it happen, on a Wednesday.
  • HENDRIK62HENDRIK62 Member Posts: 3,232
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards:
    New super casino in Leeds, and they have a free buffet every Wednesday. I propose we start SPT Leeds, should it happen, on a Wednesday.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr

    Buffet in Yorkshire makes sense another form of food that they don't have to put together for you.....
  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards:
    New super casino in Leeds, and they have a free buffet every Wednesday. I propose we start SPT Leeds, should it happen, on a Wednesday.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    I concur.

    May have encouraged Sam, Shaky and Tash to go to Salford casino instead of Bury New Road in the days before SPT, purely on the basis that it had a buffet during the tournament break.

    Definitely made the most of the added buffet value :D

    On that note, I am yet to sample the Chinese next door to Les Croupiers, so we should definitely have an SPT leg there.
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards:
    In Response to Re: Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards : I concur. May have encouraged Sam, Shaky and Tash to go to Salford casino instead of Bury New Road in the days before SPT, purely on the basis that it had a buffet during the tournament break. Definitely made the most of the added buffet value :D On that note, I am yet to sample the Chinese next door to Les Croupiers, so we should definitely have an SPT leg there.
    Posted by EvilPingu
    TBF I think eating that food in Salford was hugely -EV :/

    But I +2 the efforts to ensure a buffet at future SPTs :)
  • MP33MP33 Member Posts: 6,306
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards:
    In Response to Re: Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards : It's most unlike you to get basic facts wrong, Andy, but no, it was not Alea Leeds, it was Grosvenor Leeds. And yeah, Thewy was 3rd, & Jock BMW was 8th.   It was won by Adam Bromley, HappyNige was 5th, and Barry Carter was 7th. Barry is the best poker journalist on earth - not even close - & remains to this day a very good friend of mine. He writes most of the serious stuff on Poker Strategy, & was co-author of The Mental Game of Poker.  The event was memorable for a bizarre play in the Final. HappyNige was in seat 1, Barry Carter was in Seat 9, & they were only separated by the Dealer. HappyNige was wearing headphones, & not paying attention, & it was passed to Barry in the SB who announced all-in. Nige, thinking he was facing a regular raise announced "call" as he had not seen or heard Barry move all-in. Nige had the old 7-2, & could not really call, but the TD ruled he had to call, so he did, & of course he somehow did a get & that left Barry with dust. Dave Nicholson - "lilDave" - played too, as did the CEO of SB&G, Richard Flint.       
    Posted by Tikay10

    I remember that hand. What a horrible way to go out

    Is the Grosvener at Blackpool affilaited with any other sites or could that be an option again?
  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited August 2017
    Any chance of a London venue this time round?  (and I don't mean Luton).
  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards:
    Any chance of a London venue this time round?  (and I don't mean Luton).
    Posted by GELDY
    If I make it down to the next one in Brighton (which I am hoping to do) then it will be a 9 hour+ drive. Surely in that scenario karma would dictate that the following event would be at the Alea in Glasgow? Or does it not work that way lol :)

  • nmongooseznmongoosez Member Posts: 52
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards:
    In Response to Re: Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards : If I make it down to the next one in Brighton (which I am hoping to do) then it will be a 9 hour+ drive. Surely in that scenario karma would dictate that the following event would be at the Alea in Glasgow? Or does it not work that way lol :)
    Posted by markycash
    Hey Mark - get a flight to London and a hire a car/train - it's currently £26 return from the premium ryaniar :)
  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards:
    In Response to Re: Future of the SPT - 2018 onwards : Hey Mark - get a flight to London and a hire a car/train - it's currently £26 return from the premium ryaniar :)
    Posted by nmongoosez
    Will have a look at that Carl, thanks :)
  • SidV79SidV79 Member Posts: 4,155
    edited August 2017
    Tikay, whilst I had a brilliant time in Manchester I missed out on meeting quite a few players who were there as I did not know them by sight. At future SPT's, starting with Brighton (I shall be there), could we all have nametags so everyone can get to know each other and grow the Sky poker community even further?

     

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