In Response to Re: after eights : 1. I'm certainly not backward. I even know how to spell and construct sentences. I've been known to have civilised debates with those willing and able to take part. 2. If you don't want people to reply to your posts, I suggest that you stop posting on an open forum. It would be a blessed relief if you stopped posting tripe on this one. 3. I suspect that I have a little more experience at chess than you having played first board (unbeaten) for my school so I feel that I'm qualified to comment on the comparative level of complexity in the two games. For a starter to help you grasp the complexity of poker try listing the number of factors that you need to consider when making a pre-flop decision in a poker MTT. 4. You seem unable to grasp the difference between having a sufficient roll and having excess roll for a level. It's really not that difficult to grasp. If I have £10,000 pounds, I will happily play someone inferior to me at poker at level 100NL. It makes no difference that they have £10 million. In fact, it is probably beneficial to me since I stand to gain more. 5. Tennis players need a roll to pay for all the things that I mentioned. You seem remarkably slow at grasping the analogy. 6. There are many tennis players with natural born skill who don't make it to the top. I'm not sure what your point is. The players at the top level do indeed have a great deal of talent just like the top poker players. £10 million behind a poker player doesn't get him to the top either, for very long. I could pay £10 million to play Roger Federer and I would lose. I could pay £10 million to play Tom Dwan over a large number of hands of poker and would certainly lose that too. Posted by MereNovice
ahah school chess player unbeaten,very nice indeed,i think you must be absolutely qualified to preach to me about chess,wow,schoolboy u still must be.im sure u suffer from some learning disorder of that i have no doubt,anyone reading the comments u dream up can obviously gather for themselves.you must be living in your own little poker bubble if for one second you think there is more skill in a game of cards compared to chess where at least 10,000 different books have been written on opening moves alone!deary deary me.you need to take ur poker blinkers off son and u might see things a bit more clearly.p.s no you have not got more chess experience than me neither,so suspect something else .number of factors pre flop,very complicated that my word i think u need to take a little break from poker son,i guess u are seeing cards in the middle of the night.u fail badly to grasp my point on roll,what im trying to LEARN you about roll is that if you play above your roll,ie a 25p 50p man trying his luck on a 2.50 5.00 table your lack of stack will give you lack of confidence and the bigroller will pick up on this and bet way above you and quickly drain you.if you put your last 500 in the world on the table against a highroller whos got thousands behind him,you are at a big disadvantage ,**** just scare the pants off you and use his roll to outbet you with constant big bluffs,you may catch him now and then,but he will nail you eventually because there is nothing holding him back,whereas the small guy will try too hard to keep his pot.WAT DONT U GET?anyway next time i see you on the tables im gonna give you a lesson in poker,ill chess you off the table in no time and win you 3 sets to nill
In Response to Re: after eights : ahah school chess player unbeaten,very nice indeed,i think you must be absolutely qualified to preach to me about chess,wow,schoolboy u still must be.im sure u suffer from some learning disorder of that i have no doubt,anyone reading the comments u dream up can obviously gather for themselves.you must be living in your own little poker bubble if for one second you think there is more skill in a game of cards compared to chess where at least 10,000 different books have been written on opening moves alone!deary deary me.you need to take ur poker blinkers off son and u might see things a bit more clearly.p.s no you have not got more chess experience than me neither,so suspect something else .number of factors pre flop,very complicated that my word i think u need to take a little break from poker son,i guess u are seeing cards in the middle of the night.u fail badly to grasp my point on roll,what im trying toLEARN you about roll is that if you play above your roll,ie a 25p 50p man trying his luck on a 2.50 5.00 table your lack of stack will give you lack of confidence and the bigroller will pick up on this and bet way above you and quickly drain you.if you put your last 500 in the world on the table against a highroller whos got thousands behind him,you are at a big disadvantage ,**** just scare the pants off you and use his roll to outbet you with constant big bluffs,you may catch him now and then,but he will nail you eventually because there is nothing holding him back,whereas the small guy will try too hard to keep his pot.WAT DONT U GET?anyway next time i see you on the tables im gonna give you a lesson in poker,ill chess you off the table in no time and win you 3 sets to nill Posted by bryan1960
And the most ironic statement of the year goes to..........
Bryan... have to say this on behalf of everybody, especially MereNovice...... you are completely and utterly embarrassing yourself into oblivion.......... shocking lack of technical knowledge.... cringe worthy in fact.
In Response to Re: after eights : ahah school chess player unbeaten,very nice indeed,i think you must be absolutely qualified to preach to me about chess,wow,schoolboy u still must be.im sure u suffer from some learning disorder of that i have no doubt,anyone reading the comments u dream up can obviously gather for themselves.you must be living in your own little poker bubble if for one second you think there is more skill in a game of cards compared to chess where at least 10,000 different books have been written on opening moves alone!deary deary me.you need to take ur poker blinkers off son and u might see things a bit more clearly.p.s no you have not got more chess experience than me neither,so suspect something else .number of factors pre flop,very complicated that my word i think u need to take a little break from poker son,i guess u are seeing cards in the middle of the night.u fail badly to grasp my point on roll,what im trying to LEARN you about roll is that if you play above your roll,ie a 25p 50p man trying his luck on a 2.50 5.00 table your lack of stack will give you lack of confidence and the bigroller will pick up on this and bet way above you and quickly drain you.if you put your last 500 in the world on the table against a highroller whos got thousands behind him,you are at a big disadvantage ,**** just scare the pants off you and use his roll to outbet you with constant big bluffs,you may catch him now and then,but he will nail you eventually because there is nothing holding him back,whereas the small guy will try too hard to keep his pot.WAT DONT U GET?anyway next time i see you on the tables im gonna give you a lesson in poker,ill chess you off the table in no time and win you 3 sets to nill Posted by bryan1960
Wow. In the middle of this diatribe you have actually made your first sensible comment - congratulations. You have finally grasped that problems arise when people play above their bankroll - very well done. It's taken several people to explain this concept to you but you finally got there.
With regard to some of your other comments, I'm hoping that they were written in jest.
Again you seem to be confusing skill and complexity. They are not interchangeable nouns, they are totally different concepts.
With regard to chess, the openings are covered by many standard texts and people make opening moves based on their "library" of known openings. All end-games are purely mechanical exercises which only leaves the middle game. There is very little original thought in the game.
Have you come up with any of the factors that you should consider before playing a hand in poker?
I predominantly play low stakes (20NL max but mainly 10NL) and low buy in tourneys but to be perfectly honest, even if I was minted & could afford to play a bigger levels I wouldn't, simply because pretty much all the guys & girls that play those levels would whoop me silly. You see, the vast majority of them really understand the finer points to the game which is why players can make moves with 5 high and get away with it. Would I do it? Generally not but there's many different reasons for that (that's not to say I've never done it but that's a different discussion altogether).
There are times when I watch the higher stake cash tables on TV and wonder why someone would call with some of the cards they do but even I know there's more to it than just that.
TBH (& feel free to put me right if I am wrong) but it seems to me that you wanted nothing more than to vent some steam towards the higher stake players & I'm really not sure why?
As for there being better play on the lower limit tables, generally the answer is absolutely not. Don't get me wrong, I know that certainly some of the players I come across at the levels I play are certainly capable of playing a higher limit but are most likely doing the sensible thing & playing within their roll (which is what I do).
Bryan - The long and short of it is that one of the skill sets of cash poker is Bankroll Managment. If you are sitting with your last £500 on a high stakes table then you are quite simply missing one of the skills the game will require. Skillfull, Wining players do not do this and that is one of the reasons they win. Any donk can put money down on a table and lose it, the skill is building a roll over time by managing your risk - reward. People who can't do that are not losing their many through bad luck or because this is a game of pure chance, they are losing because they do not have one of the required Skills for longevity in the game
1. Engage brain 2. Exercise said brain thoroughly before commencing typing. 3. Always be respectful of people you don't know, they may be smarter than you. 4. Give respect and get respect as your reward. 5. Know your subject before preaching. 6. When the hole gets really deep, stop digging.
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And the most ironic statement of the year goes to..........
You have finally grasped that problems arise when people play above their bankroll - very well done. It's taken several people to explain this concept to you but you finally got there.
With regard to some of your other comments, I'm hoping that they were written in jest.
Again you seem to be confusing skill and complexity. They are not interchangeable nouns, they are totally different concepts.
With regard to chess, the openings are covered by many standard texts and people make opening moves based on their "library" of known openings. All end-games are purely mechanical exercises which only leaves the middle game. There is very little original thought in the game.
Have you come up with any of the factors that you should consider before playing a hand in poker?
1. Engage brain
2. Exercise said brain thoroughly before commencing typing.
3. Always be respectful of people you don't know, they may be smarter than you.
4. Give respect and get respect as your reward.
5. Know your subject before preaching.
6. When the hole gets really deep, stop digging.