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Multi-accounts.

achillachill Member Posts: 1,056
edited March 2010 in Poker Chat
Hello

If you are caught with multiple accounts what happens?

A comment on one of the s lag each other off threads pricked my curiosity.

Cheers.
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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s Member Posts: 1,307
    edited March 2010
    You would hope that both accounts get banned but i would imagine proving multi accounting is very hard. Many people on here have an account and so does their other half. If the accounts are set up from 2 different banks with 2 different names as the account holder then try as you might i would think it next to impossible to prove who is playing on them.

    I know the accounts you refer to and i don't know if they are 1 and the same person although i know a lot of people suspected they were / are. As one of the accounts at least is still active then i take it no wrong doing was ever proved and therefore no case to answer to
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  • webby234webby234 Member Posts: 1,781
    edited March 2010
    well i know one person who openly admitted to tikay during a thread that it was ......... just on another account, not sure what the rules are but i cant see no harm in it, if its different bank details and names but same address then its probably their partner, communicating on the forum via both accounts should be ok but playing poker on both is a definate no no!!!
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited March 2010
    lol probably not a lot... considering 2 people banned for collusion were back in a week, haaa.
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  • elsadogelsadog Member Posts: 5,677
    edited March 2010
    I have an account here and my wife has just opened an account. Separate bank details obviously. We have two laptops but only one IP address so both can't play either together or at the same time on this site (or any other site). Sky are rightly cautious when another account from the same IP address is opened. My wife received a very nice call from Sky, which I'm sure was to satisfy themselves that the 'second' account was genuine. There is nothing untoward or wrong in this and I have made a point of making it known on the forum that elsadog and _woof_ are related. The fact that I may help (debateable) my wife when playing is ok as far as I can see. Any player on Sky could have half a dozen professionals sat advising them when they play for all we know. By only using a single IP address collusion is not an issue.

    Multi-accounts when intended to deceive are wrong, enabling one's partner to also participate in Sky poker is, as far as I know, both legal and above board.
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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s Member Posts: 1,307
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts.:
    I have an account here and my wife has just opened an account. Separate bank details obviously. We have two laptops but only one IP address so both can't play either together or at the same time on this site (or any other site). Sky are rightly cautious when another account from the same IP address is opened. My wife received a very nice call from Sky, which I'm sure was to satisfy themselves that the 'second' account was genuine. There is nothing untoward or wrong in this and I have made a point of making it known on the forum that elsadog and _woof_ are related. The fact that I may help (debateable) my wife when playing is ok as far as I can see. Any player on Sky could have half a dozen professionals sat advising them when they play for all we know. By only using a single IP address collusion is not an issue. Multi-accounts when intended to deceive are wrong, enabling one's partner to also participate in Sky poker is, as far as I know, both legal and above board.
    Posted by elsadog
    Just to clarify Elsa my post was in no way meant to insinuate that people who have 2 accounts from 1 address are participating in multi accounting but just that it is a possible reason as to why the accounts that are being alluded to within the OP's post are still active as there would be no way to prove that both were being used by one player and not as they are set up to be, being used by 2 people from the same household

    * just edited as for some reason i put your name in block capitals which looked really confrontational lol
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  • elsadogelsadog Member Posts: 5,677
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts.:
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts. : Just to clarify ELSA my post was in no way meant to insinuate that people who have 2 accounts from 1 address are participating in multi accounting but just that it is a possible reason as to why the accounts that are being alluded to within the OP's post are still active as there would be no way to prove that both were being used by one player and not as they are set up to be, being used by 2 people from the same household
    Posted by ACESOVER8s
    I did understand your point Aces, and I wasn't being paranoid. It's just that a number of players have accounts along with their partners on Sky and these shouldn't be confused with intention to deceive or collude. It is of course possible for any account holder to allow another person to play under their name and nobody would be any the wiser. Proving collusion is a difficult task and all poker sites have specialist software to seek out collusion where it occurs, and Sky is no exception.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts.:
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts. : I did understand your point Aces, and I wasn't being paranoid. It's just that a number of players have accounts along with their partners on Sky and these shouldn't be confused with intention to deceive or collude. It is of course possible for any account holder to allow another person to play under their name and nobody would be any the wiser. Proving collusion is a difficult task and all poker sites have specialist software to seek out collusion where it occurs, and Sky is no exception.
    Posted by elsadog
    difference is what they actually do about it...
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  • SparceSparce Member Posts: 110
    edited March 2010
    Looks like all the Tpers should be banned for multi accouting.  Naughty people!!

    In seriousness, i am not too sure of the effect of multi accounting.  Say i have two, accounts, which just I play, why is that soo bad?  I think it becomes wrong when other people play on accounts to mix it up as that gives unfair advantage.  Or when people use accounts on the same table.  The classic example of this i guess was ZeeJustin, who was playing two accounts in the same tournament; being the uber good player he is, he ended up on the same table with himself - very lol!  Needless to say he lost all the money in his account at the time, close to 100k i believe!

    Multi accounting does have a definite advantage in that you can probably attract more players to play you by having diiferent names.  The advantage is for multi accounts sitting waiting for fish and this gives them a higher chance of getting action.  Further many pros use it, so that others dont get too familiar with their game (not sure this affects the fish too much).

    If sky were to turn around to the top players and say would u like another account, then it would give them a great advantage as it gives them more action.  However, if bad players were to have multi accounts i wouldnt say it would bother me at all.  It just means they can deposit more than the limit on one account in any given day and donate.

    Its a very interesting subject!! look forward to your views!!

    XXX
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  • elsadogelsadog Member Posts: 5,677
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts.:
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts. : difference is what they actually do about it...
    Posted by BlackFish3
    The difference is what they are able to PROVE, in order to act upon it. This applies to all sites.
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  • SparceSparce Member Posts: 110
    edited March 2010
    Think with many of these issues there is a fine line to be drawn, where a value judgement is needed.  For example, who would see it as wrong if I was to allow say a gf/friend to play on my account at low limits to experience the game, with or without me behind to offer instruction? Discuss.

    View one.

    COuld be unfair on fish, cause they think i am actually bad and follow me up stakes, and then whammo, its a different person........
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts.:
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts. : The difference is what they are able to PROVE, in order to act upon it. This applies to all sites.
    Posted by elsadog
    lol but when they ring me and say they have successfully proven collusion and banned two players, and then a week later one of them is at the same table as me and calls me a grass... thats great aint it!
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts.:
    Think with many of these issues there is a fine line to be drawn, where a value judgement is needed.  For example, who would see it as wrong if I was to allow say a gf/friend to play on my account at low limits to experience the game, with or without me behind to offer instruction? Discuss. View one. COuld be unfair on fish, cause they think i am actually bad and follow me up stakes, and then whammo, its a different person........
    Posted by Sparce
    i wouldn't have a problem with that... you could just as easily play badly then move up stakes and play well, its just hustling people... i think its clever not bad.
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  • Mr_MiyagiMr_Miyagi Member Posts: 2,031
    edited March 2010
    As long as they cannot play on the same table who cares?
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  • MADMOOMADMOO Member Posts: 1,687
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts.:
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts. : lol but when they ring me and say they have successfully proven collusion and banned two players, and then a week later one of them is at the same table as me and calls me a grass... thats great aint it!
    Posted by BlackFish3
    They just stop them sitting at the same table ever again.
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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s Member Posts: 1,307
    edited March 2010

    A friend of mine has 2 accounts on stars, he's not above average as a player but he enjoys the game.

    1 is in his name and 1 is in his girlfriends name.

    The reason for this is simple - He plays tournament poker only and will just deposit enough to play the tournaments he wants to play at any 1 specific time, as he is salaried and his girlfriend is paid weekly there are times when he wants to play but can only deposit from his girlfriends account and not from his own card. As sites don't let you register cards that are not in your name to your account (a good thing by the way lol) then he just set his GF up with an account in order to play during periods of only having money available from that account

    Is this wrong???? by the letter of the rules i suppose it is but he is not gaining unfair advantage, he just wants to play and doesn't want to have to transfer money between banks to deposit. i'm with Sparce, multi accounting and collusion are 2 different things and will often be a judgment call as to what is going on

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  • elsadogelsadog Member Posts: 5,677
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts.:
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts. : lol but when they ring me and say they have successfully proven collusion and banned two players, and then a week later one of them is at the same table as me and calls me a grass... thats great aint it!
    Posted by BlackFish3
    You should take that up with 'the suits' m8.

    Did they ban or suspend whilst enquiries were made. Suspecting is one thing, proving is another.
    (Is it you that is reading Law at Uni?).
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts.:
    As long as they cannot play on the same table who cares?
    Posted by Mr_Miyagi
    because a more serious punishment makes the perpetrators an example, highlighting how serious a poker site deems collusion.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts.:
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts. : You should take that up with 'the suits' m8. Did they ban or suspend whilst enquiries were made. Suspecting is one thing, proving is another. (Is it you that is reading Law at Uni?).
    Posted by elsadog
    lol im not that bothered now... just think its a bit silly for them to come back so quick. I think they were banned im not sure sorry. and yea its me reading law... i dno why!!
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  • Mr_MiyagiMr_Miyagi Member Posts: 2,031
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts.:
    In Response to Re: Multi-accounts. : because a more serious punishment makes the perpetrators an example, highlighting how serious a poker site deems collusion.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    what are they colluding? If they cannot sit at the same table or play in the same tournament.
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  • elsadogelsadog Member Posts: 5,677
    edited March 2010
    Someone pass Blackfish another spade, that one's nearly worn out.

    ''Well, there was I digging this hole, hole in the ground.......so big and sort of round it was.....................''
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