I didn't see the post that was removed but have read the dam removal link posted above. As a fisherman (mostly ex fisherman due to work atm) one of the things that immediately sprang to mind is are they dredging the river and canal systems once they remove these dams? If they aren't then they may well be increasing the flood risk in a huge number of areas.
In the UK most anglers spend between £36 and £90 per annum on their rod licences yet our waterways seem to receive very little care in the way of dredging and maintenance, if you don't dredge and maintain rivers and canals they lose their capacity to remove flood water and, hey presto, you get flooding.
If you remove dams then they cannot be used to hold back flood water and prevent flooding further down the water system, dam removal seems like a double edged sword to me.
When you combine that with the fact that we seem to build more and more on 'flood plains' it's not surprising that floods are becoming a serious issue. It's very difficult for water to drain away through concrete!
I didn't see the post that was removed but have read the dam removal link posted above. As a fisherman (mostly ex fisherman due to work atm) one of the things that immediately sprang to mind is are they dredging the river and canal systems once they remove these dams? If they aren't then they may well be increasing the flood risk in a huge number of areas.
In the UK most anglers spend between £36 and £90 per annum on their rod licences yet our waterways seem to receive very little care in the way of dredging and maintenance, if you don't dredge and maintain rivers and canals they lose their capacity to remove flood water and, hey presto, you get flooding.
If you remove dams then they cannot be used to hold back flood water and prevent flooding further down the water system, dam removal seems like a double edged sword to me.
When you combine that with the fact that we seem to build more and more on 'flood plains' it's not surprising that floods are becoming a serious issue. It's very difficult for water to drain away through concrete!
I don't suppose rain of biblical proportions helped. Try to imagine this if you can...
"According to AEMET, the hourly record rainfall in Spain was broken in Turis, with 184.6 mm in 1 hour and 42 mm in just 10 minutes. Overall the station received 771.8 mm in 14 hours. Weather station Chiva reported 491.2 mm in 8 hours, 343 mm in 4 hours, and 160 mm in 1 hour."
"Valencia has on average only 46 precipitation days a year, averaging several rainy days per month (≥ 1 mm), ranging from 1 in July to 5 in October. The average annual precipitation is less than 454 mm (17.87 inches), ranging from 9 mm (0.35 inch) in July to 74 mm (2.91 inch) in October"
So i'll ask the question (that was deleted for misinformation). Is the removal of all these dams across Europe making the flooding worse?
I lack the requisite qualifications to have the technological answers. But, seeing as that puts me in the self-same category as the people you want to rely on, I'll give it a go.
1. The starting point would be exactly what purpose these dams served. According to the article, the dams were all "obsolete" and "purposeless". I think it fair to assume that those comments can only be made after some serious ecological impact surveys and complex engineering reports are done. By people with long lists of qualifications and specialist knowledge.
That does not necessarily make them right. But what it does do is make them right unless and until there is clear evidence to the contrary. By proper experts. Not climate deniers. Or conspiracy theorists. Commission proper experts to give genuine evidence.
2. Climate change is real. By that I am not referring to the sort of stuff that gets endlessly debated these days. I am talking about the fact that the World changes over time. So-for example-there are undoubtedly dams that no longer serve a purpose. Just like there are undoubtedly dams that are entirely necessary
3. Flooding is cyclical. What happened in and around Valencia was extraordinary. A year's worth of rain. In 6-8 hours. It is possible that climate change might be part of the reason for that. But it most certainly will not be the whole answer-climate change may be real, but it's effects are far slower. Outlier weather events happen. And always will
4. It is abundantly clear that some dams are useful. And that some are not. To say "all these dams" just shows a total failure to appreciate the reality of the situation. Together with when dams are, or are not, effective.
Ah I appreciate the follow up comments @Tikay and @Essexphil, I didn't know that the removed post was specifically related to the recent flooding in Spain and or climate change. My point still stands though, in the UK if and when we get rain of 'biblical proportions' our waterways system is far less able to cope than it should be, due to neglect over decades. Forewarned is forearmed and all that, although I appreciate that very little will be done.
The other thing I want to mention is that "dams" are not the answer to all problems.
Without wishing to sound obvious, 1 thing a river does very effectively (in normal times) is move large volumes of water from the land to the sea.
There are times when there is too much water for a river to be able to move all of the water. And a dam may stop the excess of water causing flooding. However, that only remains true if the dam holds.
If a dam bursts, the problem becomes far worse. Because, instead of (for simplicity's sake) an hour's worth of excess water flooding in an hour, you can have an hour's worth of excess flood water flooding in 5 seconds.
For people interested in this sort of thing, the Science concerning the Thames Flood Barrier is fascinating. But not all dams are as important, as relevant, or as up to date.
Conspiracy theories seem to gain momentum on niche sites where like-minded people tend to gather. These platforms often become echo chambers, with ideas that don’t always hold up under scrutiny getting amplified and repeated.
Before long, people start sharing these theories with others as if they’re facts, not realizing that most folks are raising an eyebrow at their claims.
It’s almost like they’re walking around proclaiming today’s horoscope predictions as if they’re hard truths.
I am sure we all appreciate that you feel the need to question things. Particularly when you seem to read mostly far right nut job conspiracy theory websites.
I presume that is why you come on here. In order to reassure yourself that what you have read is complete nonsense. And we are all happy to reassure you that it is all complete bollo.
What a horrible article, here's just a few of the 'lowlights' for you
“I have given it (resigning) a lot of thought and have taken advice as recently as this morning from senior colleagues, and, no, I am not going to resign.”
Maybe ask people outside your church, you would have got a different answer
'Smyth was able to move to Africa from England while “church officers knew of the abuse and failed to take the steps necessary to prevent further abuse occurring”, the report said.'
When are the police going to prosecute those in the church that knew about these abuses (there are many cases) for aiding and abetting criminals? (The answer is never, in case you're interested).
'Mark Stibbe, a survivor of Smyth’s abuse, told Channel 4 some boys were beaten so hard they bled and had to wear nappies.'
and then.....
'The review found that an argument had been made that the abuses were “examples of over-enthusiastic corporal punishment”.'
Over enthusiastic corporal punishment doesn't result in nappy wearing does it? We all know what does, maybe put that in your report!
This is a prime example of what disgusts me most about organised religion, give me atheism any day.
3 articles from you today, Vespa. Which probably encapsulate what is both good and bad from you on this Forum.
The 4B Movement? Fake news. From someone distorting reality to get traction via making stuff up.
The 4B movement started about 5 years ago. In South Korea, not the USA. By Radical Feminists, not Liberals.
The 8:22 one? There will always be people who over-dramatise stuff. On every side. Did we need to see that? Dubious. There have always been people who cannot deal with losing. always will be. Whereas you could have compared and contrasted the grace of Biden accepting defeat yesterday with Trump in late 2020/21. Or even how much classier Biden was than Harris in defeat
Whereas the Justin Welby one is genuinely interesting. Because it is something where different people have different ideas.
I have never believed the current mantra that Heads of anywhere should Resign purely because of the actions of others. We have morphed into a world where everyone seems to want to make someone, anyone, accountable for the actions of others.
But it is more than that. It is clearly the case that Welby knew fine well what large parts of this problems were in 2013. Not unsubstantiated rumour. Cold hard facts. Which he covered up. For at least a further 4 years. Resulting in many, many cases of further abuse.
There is nothing for him to "consider". That time was 2013. He just needs to resign. Now.
I am sure we all appreciate that you feel the need to question things. Particularly when you seem to read mostly far right nut job conspiracy theory websites.
I presume that is why you come on here. In order to reassure yourself that what you have read is complete nonsense. And we are all happy to reassure you that it is all complete bollo.
I am sure we all appreciate that you feel the need to question things. Particularly when you seem to read mostly far right nut job conspiracy theory websites.
I presume that is why you come on here. In order to reassure yourself that what you have read is complete nonsense. And we are all happy to reassure you that it is all complete bollo.
Ed Miliband, the UK government’s “green energy” tzar, proudly announced he had received independent advice from a “new” company, NESO.
The advice comes in the form of a report which, according to Miliband, “provides conclusive proof that clean power by 2030 is not only achievable but desirable.”
It's not independent advice as Miliband claims when the sole shareholder of the company is the Secretary of State, who is currently Ed Miliband. It's akin to Miliband giving Miliband proof to support Miliband’s “clean power mission.”
To add insult to injury, the British taxpayer has just forked out £630 million for Miliband to acquire the company, now effectively a government department, with over 2,000 employees to provide Miliband with the “independent” advice and proof he needs to support his “mission.”.......
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More dam lies
Is the removal of all these dams across Europe making the flooding worse?
In the UK most anglers spend between £36 and £90 per annum on their rod licences yet our waterways seem to receive very little care in the way of dredging and maintenance, if you don't dredge and maintain rivers and canals they lose their capacity to remove flood water and, hey presto, you get flooding.
If you remove dams then they cannot be used to hold back flood water and prevent flooding further down the water system, dam removal seems like a double edged sword to me.
When you combine that with the fact that we seem to build more and more on 'flood plains' it's not surprising that floods are becoming a serious issue. It's very difficult for water to drain away through concrete!
I don't suppose rain of biblical proportions helped. Try to imagine this if you can...
"According to AEMET, the hourly record rainfall in Spain was broken in Turis, with 184.6 mm in 1 hour and 42 mm in just 10 minutes. Overall the station received 771.8 mm in 14 hours. Weather station Chiva reported 491.2 mm in 8 hours, 343 mm in 4 hours, and 160 mm in 1 hour."
Source;
https://www.essl.org/cms/meteorological-analysis-of-extreme-flash-flood-situation-in-the-valencia-region/#:~:text=Overall the station received 618,160 mm in 1 hour.
And to give those numbers context;
"Valencia has on average only 46 precipitation days a year, averaging several rainy days per month (≥ 1 mm), ranging from 1 in July to 5 in October. The average annual precipitation is less than 454 mm (17.87 inches), ranging from 9 mm (0.35 inch) in July to 74 mm (2.91 inch) in October"
1. The starting point would be exactly what purpose these dams served. According to the article, the dams were all "obsolete" and "purposeless". I think it fair to assume that those comments can only be made after some serious ecological impact surveys and complex engineering reports are done. By people with long lists of qualifications and specialist knowledge.
That does not necessarily make them right. But what it does do is make them right unless and until there is clear evidence to the contrary. By proper experts. Not climate deniers. Or conspiracy theorists. Commission proper experts to give genuine evidence.
2. Climate change is real. By that I am not referring to the sort of stuff that gets endlessly debated these days. I am talking about the fact that the World changes over time. So-for example-there are undoubtedly dams that no longer serve a purpose. Just like there are undoubtedly dams that are entirely necessary
3. Flooding is cyclical. What happened in and around Valencia was extraordinary. A year's worth of rain. In 6-8 hours. It is possible that climate change might be part of the reason for that. But it most certainly will not be the whole answer-climate change may be real, but it's effects are far slower. Outlier weather events happen. And always will
4. It is abundantly clear that some dams are useful. And that some are not. To say "all these dams" just shows a total failure to appreciate the reality of the situation. Together with when dams are, or are not, effective.
Without wishing to sound obvious, 1 thing a river does very effectively (in normal times) is move large volumes of water from the land to the sea.
There are times when there is too much water for a river to be able to move all of the water. And a dam may stop the excess of water causing flooding. However, that only remains true if the dam holds.
If a dam bursts, the problem becomes far worse. Because, instead of (for simplicity's sake) an hour's worth of excess water flooding in an hour, you can have an hour's worth of excess flood water flooding in 5 seconds.
For people interested in this sort of thing, the Science concerning the Thames Flood Barrier is fascinating. But not all dams are as important, as relevant, or as up to date.
These platforms often become echo chambers, with ideas that don’t always hold up under scrutiny getting amplified and repeated.
Before long, people start sharing these theories with others as if they’re facts, not realizing that most folks are raising an eyebrow at their claims.
It’s almost like they’re walking around proclaiming today’s horoscope predictions as if they’re hard truths.
I am sure we all appreciate that you feel the need to question things. Particularly when you seem to read mostly far right nut job conspiracy theory websites.
I presume that is why you come on here. In order to reassure yourself that what you have read is complete nonsense. And we are all happy to reassure you that it is all complete bollo.
Happy to help
“I have given it (resigning) a lot of thought and have taken advice as recently as this morning from senior colleagues, and, no, I am not going to resign.”
Maybe ask people outside your church, you would have got a different answer
'Smyth was able to move to Africa from England while “church officers knew of the abuse and failed to take the steps necessary to prevent further abuse occurring”, the report said.'
When are the police going to prosecute those in the church that knew about these abuses (there are many cases) for aiding and abetting criminals? (The answer is never, in case you're interested).
'Mark Stibbe, a survivor of Smyth’s abuse, told Channel 4 some boys were beaten so hard they bled and had to wear nappies.'
and then.....
'The review found that an argument had been made that the abuses were “examples of over-enthusiastic corporal punishment”.'
Over enthusiastic corporal punishment doesn't result in nappy wearing does it? We all know what does, maybe put that in your report!
This is a prime example of what disgusts me most about organised religion, give me atheism any day.
The 4B Movement? Fake news. From someone distorting reality to get traction via making stuff up.
The 4B movement started about 5 years ago. In South Korea, not the USA. By Radical Feminists, not Liberals.
The 8:22 one? There will always be people who over-dramatise stuff. On every side. Did we need to see that? Dubious. There have always been people who cannot deal with losing. always will be. Whereas you could have compared and contrasted the grace of Biden accepting defeat yesterday with Trump in late 2020/21. Or even how much classier Biden was than Harris in defeat
Whereas the Justin Welby one is genuinely interesting. Because it is something where different people have different ideas.
I have never believed the current mantra that Heads of anywhere should Resign purely because of the actions of others. We have morphed into a world where everyone seems to want to make someone, anyone, accountable for the actions of others.
But it is more than that. It is clearly the case that Welby knew fine well what large parts of this problems were in 2013. Not unsubstantiated rumour. Cold hard facts. Which he covered up. For at least a further 4 years. Resulting in many, many cases of further abuse.
There is nothing for him to "consider". That time was 2013. He just needs to resign. Now.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/08/david-lammy-dismisses-past-criticism-donald-trump-old-news
The advice comes in the form of a report which, according to Miliband, “provides conclusive proof that clean power by 2030 is not only achievable but desirable.”
It's not independent advice as Miliband claims when the sole shareholder of the company is the Secretary of State, who is currently Ed Miliband. It's akin to Miliband giving Miliband proof to support Miliband’s “clean power mission.”
To add insult to injury, the British taxpayer has just forked out £630 million for Miliband to acquire the company, now effectively a government department, with over 2,000 employees to provide Miliband with the “independent” advice and proof he needs to support his “mission.”.......