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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,436
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    Brexit: Theresa May to meet Sir Graham Brady amid calls to resign



    Theresa May is to meet the chairman of an influential committee of backbench Tory MPs, Sir Graham Brady, amid calls for her to set a firm resignation date.
    It follows a request from the 1922 committee for "clarity" on the issue.
    No 10 insists the meeting is routine but BBC political correspondent Iain Watson said Sir Graham is likely to press the prime minister for a timetable for her departure.
    Meanwhile, cross-party talks to break the Brexit deadlock are due to resume.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48182976
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    May plans for second Brexit vote if Labour talks fail



    British Prime Minister Theresa May has carried out "scenario planning" for a second Brexit referendum in case she is forced by parliament to hold one, according to UK media reports.
    Mrs May is hoping to find a way to get parliament to approve a Brexit plan without another public vote, but talks with the opposition Labour Party on a compromise exit strategy have yet to reach an agreement.
    The 'Daily Telegraph' reported Mrs May had discussions with officials and ministers about holding a referendum that would give voters the choice between leaving the European Union with a deal, leaving without a deal, or not leaving at all.
    The report cited unnamed government sources, who said the referendum plan would only become relevant if talks with Labour failed and a majority in parliament supported holding another public vote.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/may-plans-for-second-brexit-vote-if-labour-talks-fail/ar-AAB0XZV?ocid=spartandhp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,436
    mumsie said:

    If we follow that logic, we could of vote every 15 minutes just to check the will of the people is still the will of the people. ;)

    Not really, the referendum was 3 years ago, and we still haven't found a way out.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,436
    vaigret said:

    mumsie said:

    Ill just drop this here.


    "This system that overrules the will of the people and disregards the law is neither democratic, nor legitimate," Mr Adiguzel tweeted. "This is plain dictatorship."

    Will of the people in 2016 how do you know if still will of the people. And if it is still the will of the people BREXIT would win again so whats the problem with 2nd vote. surely all parties should want to make sure BREXIT is the will of the people still,

    Many polls show that it is not still the will of the people.
    The will of the people often changes.
    This is why we have regular votes to elect MPs, MEPs, and local councillors.
    Many of the people that object to another referendum are adamant that leave would win again.
    If that is the case then what on earth is the problem?
    The second referendum would not be the same as the first, as it is likely to be a choice of a deal, no deal, or remain, and would provide a definitive solution.
    Democracy is about voting.
    How can having a vote on anything be seen as undemocratic?
    Many people feel conned by the leave campaign in the first referendum.
    If it is still the will of the people, then we would get the same result.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,436
    mumsie said:

    Ill just drop this here.


    "This system that overrules the will of the people and disregards the law is neither democratic, nor legitimate," Mr Adiguzel tweeted. "This is plain dictatorship."

    This ignores the problem that the ballot in the referendum only allowed people to vote to remain or for Brexit.

    There are a number of varieties of Brexit.

    All the people that voted for Brexit were not in favour of the same variety.

    I get amused when I see Brexiteers claiming that they knew what they voted for.

    How could they when 3 years later we still don't know which variety we will get?

    Some Brexiteers are in favour of Theresa Mays deal, others favour no deal, Common Market 2.0 has some popularity, as does a Canada style free trade agreement.

    Prominent Brexiteers which include Dominic Raab, the previous Brexit Secretary have clearly said they would prefer to remain, than leave with a Common Market 2.0 deal.

    This is therefore not quite as simple as many people make out.

    The claim about another vote being undemocratic, doesn't stand up to much scrutiny.

    Parliament have so far had 3 votes on Theresa Mays deal, and a fourth is imminent. Will there be a fifth?

    Labour failed in a no confidence vote in the Prime Minister. They will try for another one.

    We had a General Election in 2015, so the next one was due in 2020. However it happened in 2017. So the next one is now due in 2022, but Labour are trying to get one as soon as possible.

    The Tories failed in a no confidence vote in the Prime Minister at the end of last year. Their party rules don't allow another one within 12 months. They are attempting to change these rules to allow for another no confidence vote within the 12 months.

    So Parliament can vote as many times as it wants on a deal, have numerous no confidence votes, call an additional General Election, or two, at a drop of a hat, but to have another referendum, which would clearly provide a solution to the Brexit impasse, that everyone is browned off with, is undemocratic.

    Seems like nonsense to me.

    Not sure who the Dictator might be, as we seem to be voting on everything, many times.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,436
    Brexit Difficulties.

    Parliament wont pass the Withdrawal Agreement.

    The EU wont reopen the Withdrawal Agreement.

    Even if we left with no deal, the EU still expect us to pass the WA, before they will talk to us.

    Theresa May has agreed to leave, so she will not be leading the trade negotiations.

    What is the point of Labour reaching an agreement with a leader that resigns as soon as the agreement is reached?

    No Government can tie the hands of any future Government.

    Therefore any agreement reached would effectively be worthless.

    The last thing that businesses need is another short term solution, and more uncertainty.

    All the possible solutions would seem to attract some support from some MPs, while alienating others.

    So adding a Customs Union may attract support from Labour MPs, but alienate Tories that were previously in favour.

    I would argue that even though another referendum is not the ideal solution, at least it is a solution that would put an end to the Brexit nightmare.

    If the referendum choice was on a deal, no deal or remaining, the result could be implemented with no further voting or negotiating.

    Parliament could have a vote on the four or five possible deals and whichever got the most votes would be on the ballot.

    As far as no deal is concerned, even though Parliament has ruled it out, there is some support for it. I am not sure whether or not it should be included on the ballot. If not the referendum would be just between the most popular deal and remain.


    Lots of people say that that a second referendum is wrong, but haven't got a clue on an alternative.

    To say a second referendum is undemocratic, yet to have vote after vote on the same things in Parliament is ok, is downright ridiculous.
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    Jean-Claude Juncker says it was a 'big mistake' for EU to stay silent during Brexit referendum 'lies'



    © Reuters European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker
    The president of the EU commission has said he regrets not intervening in the UK’s Brexit referendum to correct “lies” about the bloc during the campaign.
    Speaking at a press conference on Tuesday Jean-Claude Juncker said it was a “big mistake” to listen to David Cameron, who he said had asked Brussels to “stay silent”.
    “The then prime minister asked me not to interfere, not to intervene in the referendum campaign,” he said.
    “It was a mistake not to intervene and not to interfere because we would have been the only ones to destroy the lies which were circulated around. I was wrong to be silent at an important moment.”
    Brexit in-depth: All the latest news, analysis and expert opinion
    But the Commission president, who is nearing the end of his mandate and will be replaced in October, struck a more ambivalent tone on Brexit as it stood today.“I don’t have fears, I don’t have hopes,” he told reporters.

    “I was saying the other day that by comparison to the British parliament the Egyptian sphinx are open books. Either they stay or they will leave. If they stay, they stay. If they leave, they leave.”
    During the Brexit referendum campaign the UK Statistics Authority wrote to Vote Leave, criticising it for using a false figure claiming that the UK pays the EU £350 million a week.
    The campaign plastered the figure on the side of a bus and put out advertisements featuring the claim.



    Meanwhile on the remain side, predictions about the economic impact of a Leave vote have been criticised as being wide of the mark.
    A Treasury analysis published a month before the referendum claimed that "a vote to Leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy". This effect has yet to materialise over two years since the vote.




    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/jean-claude-juncker-says-it-was-a-big-mistake-for-eu-to-stay-silent-during-brexit-referendum-lies/ar-AAB1FpZ?ocid=spartanntp
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    Liverpool's 4-0 win against Barcelona makes the front and back pages.
    "Miracle of Anfield" is the headline in both the Daily Mail and the Daily Mirror.
    The Daily Telegraph and the Guardian also call the team's comeback from defeat in the first leg "miraculous". The Sun calls it "unbeLIVable".
    The online edition of the Liverpool Echo describes scenes of absolute bedlam inside Anfield at the final whistle, with fans, players, coaches and experienced journalists bouncing around, before fans broke into what it calls a "spine-tingling" rendition of You'll Never Walk Alone



    Theresa May is likely to remain in office until the Conservative conference this September, the Times reports, after she set a new summer deadline to complete Brexit talks.
    But the Financial Times says Tory grandees are again considering rule changes to allow another challenge to Mrs May's leadership.
    The i says the Conservative Party is in "absolute meltdown", as grassroots members step up pressure for her to resign.

    'Cut-price campaign'
    "What a waste of time and £150m" is the headline on the front of the Daily Express, which says confirmation that the UK will hold elections for the European Parliament has prompted "fury" among Brexiteers and low-tax campaigners.
    The Times reports that Conservative Party chiefs have signed off a "cut-price campaign" for the vote to try to limit any damage.


    The US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, is today expected to warn the government against using the Chinese firm Huawei to help build the UK's 5G telecoms networks.
    But an opinion piece in the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post argues that the US risks paying a high price with its stand on Huawei.
    It says more than 150 countries are estimated to be using the tech firm's equipment - meaning that without proof of its spying claims, Washington appears to be fighting a losing battle.
    The Guardian says the question that should be asked is why doesn't Britain have a major telecoms equipment maker of its own.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48195637
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    Cambridge Analytica whistleblower signs book deal to reveal 'the unsettling truth of how data firm helped Brexit and Trump campaigns'
    Brittany Kaiser, is the company's former Director of Program Development
    She gave evidence to the Digital, Culture Media and Sports committee last year
    Her new book is called 'Targeted: My Inside Story of Cambridge Analytica'



    Brittany Kaiser, the former Cambridge Analytica employee who spoke out on alleged ties between the data firm and the Brexit campaign


    According to HarperCollins, she will reveal 'the unsettling truth' or how private information is exploited, and how Cambridge interacted with Brexit and Trump officials.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7001557/Cambridge-Analytica-whistleblower-book-deal.html
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    Private prosecution against Boris Johnson to receive first court hearing next week
    Marcus Ball's formal case, alleging misconduct in a public office, will get an initial hearing before Westminster magistrates



    A private prosecution case against Boris Johnson is set to receive a "world first" court hearing next week.
    Marcus Ball launched the case against the Tory MP over now-infamous claims on the side of a bus in the 2016 EU referendum.


    The Vote Leave campaign bus claimed the UK sent £350m a week to the EU, but the real figure was much lower. The claims were branded misleading by the UK Statistics Authority.
    Now the crowfunded campaigner from Norfolk has reached the next step in his case, which formally accuses the ex-Cabinet minister of committing misconduct in public office.
    The case will receive an initial hearing behind closed doors at Westminster Magistrates' Court on May 14.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/private-prosecution-against-boris-johnson-15009737
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    Expenses watchdog hushed up revelation 377 MPs had credit cards suspended
    Ex-high court judge rules risk of ‘embarrassing’ MPs no reason to withhold information



    Amber Rudd was among those MPs who have had their card suspended more than 10 times over the past three years.



    The parliamentary expenses watchdog tried to cover up data showing 377 MPs, including nine cabinet ministers, have had their credit cards suspended for wrong, incomplete or late claims.
    The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa), set up in the wake of the expenses scandal 10 years ago, initially tried to claim the information should not be released because it could hinder the operation of the expenses system.
    However, a former high court judge reversed the decision and released the information to the Daily Telegraph on appeal, saying that the risk of “embarrassing” MPs was no reason to keep the information secret.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/08/expenses-watchdog-hushed-up-revelation-377-mps-had-credit-cards-suspended


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    ITV hit by Brexit doubts as firms rein in advertising spend



    Big advertisers are keeping a tight rein on spending in readiness for Brexit, hitting revenues at ITV.
    The broadcaster saw income down 4% in the first quarter to £874 million, with ad sales down a more brutal 7% to £417 million. That’s because big brands — Unilever is a name often mentioned in City circles — have withdrawn ads while they prepare for whatever follows the UK’s much-delayed Brexit.
    ITV made mention of “continuing economic and political uncertainty” and the pre-launch costs of BritBox, the mini-Netflix streaming service that it is working on with the BBC. It aims to offer British TV shows old and new.

    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/itv-hit-brexit-doubts-firms-105100424.html
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    vaigretvaigret Member Posts: 16,331
    mumsie said:

    If we follow that logic, we could of vote every 15 minutes just to check the will of the people is still the will of the people. ;)

    Bit of a difference between 15 mins and 3 years mumsie. If you can honestly tell me that the info the people had in 2016 and now is the same then I wouldnt argue with you.
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