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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,922
    Michael Gove suggests there could be 'a new prime minister' if Boris Johnson fails to get Brexit deal



    Michael Gove has raised the prospect of Boris Johnson being toppled if he fails to strike a Brexit deal, to be replaced by “a new Labour or other prime minister”.
    Asked about the fading prospects for an agreement, with a crucial EU summit just 17 days away, the cabinet office minister argued the EU must recognise “this process will involve compromise for everyone”.
    He then added: “I can’t believe that the EU would want a situation where we are continually negotiating a deal, with a new Labour or other prime minister, and this process is endlessly delayed.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/michael-gove-suggests-there-could-be-a-new-prime-minister-if-boris-johnson-fails-to-get-brexit-deal/ar-AAI1QN0?ocid=spartanntp
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    Boris Johnson's proposals for a new Brexit deal are widely reported.
    The Financial Times says the prime minister is pinning his hopes on his Irish counterpart, Leo Varadkar, indicating to the EU that they could form the basis of an agreement.



    But the New Statesman website points out the British plan includes new customs posts a few miles away from either side of the border.
    It says as far as Dublin and Brussels are concerned, that is direct contravention of the definition of a hard border agreed two years ago.
    To Mr Varadkar, the website adds, it does not matter whether they are on the border or a 10-minute drive away, it is still a hard border, and any plan along these lines is not going to fly,
    Meanwhile, the Times says it has learnt that Mr Johnson is asking the EU to rule out a further extension to Article 50 as part of a new deal. The paper says his intention is to confront the Commons with a binary choice of agreeing the revised deal or ensuring Britain falls out of the EU without agreement on 31 October.

    'End of soft sentences'
    The justice secretary's plan to stop the most serious violent and sexual offenders from being released half-way through their sentences, makes the lead for the Daily Mail.
    "End of the soft prison sentence," is the headline. The paper's leader column says Robert Buckland's announcement provides some comfort and reassurance to the public.



    The Daily Express also leads on law and order. saying Home Secretary Priti Patel will tell the Tory conference later that she plans to arm police in England and Wales with more Tasers and crack down on "county lines" drug gangs.
    The paper says her rallying cry to the party faithful is intended to show that crime fighting has moved on from David Cameron's "hug-a-hoodie" approach. Its headline says her message will be: "Criminals we are coming after you."

    The chancellor's pledge - at the conference on Monday - to increase the National Living Wage and make it available to everyone over the age of 21, is widely considered.



    The Huffpost UK website says it was particularly aimed at northern seats where the rise will have an even bigger impact than the South.
    The Spectator website says it is a way of promising to put more money in people's pockets that doesn't, directly, cost the government anything.
    But the Daily Telegraph warns that the rise will be another burden for hard-pressed small businesses.
    May's 'fantastic time'
    And the Tories' spending promises raise many eyebrows. The Financial Times says the chancellor's speech intensified Boris Johnson's transformation of the Conservatives into a populist party.
    But there is also uneasiness among some Conservative-supporting papers. The Daily Mail says the prudence of the last decade means there is some scope for investment but the annual deficit has still not been wiped out.
    In the Telegraph's view, the Tories must not lose sight of the virtues of fiscal prudence and good economic management.
    Finally, there's much interest in Theresa May's first public interview since leaving office - not at the Tory conference, but the Henley Literary Festival.



    The Daily Express says that when asked whether she had read David Cameron's new book, she replied that she would rather sit down with a good thriller or detective novel than a political memoir.
    According to the paper, she revealed that she was not "rushing" to write her own memoirs.
    The Times reports that she said she had no regrets about her political career - telling the audience: "I have had a fantastic time."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-49887353








  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,922





    Brexit: Boris Johnson’s ‘reckless’ plan for Irish border prompts outrage
    Downing Street beats a hasty retreat after leak shows backsliding on Good Friday Agreement pledges



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-ireland-irish-border-plan-deal-a9127421.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,922
    Boris Johnson has cocooned himself in his own inadequacy. No one can touch him
    To have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently is surely part of the
    plan




    Years ago, Boris Johnson described his strategy in interviews as to become “a blond wall of noise” through which his interviewer cannot penetrate.
    It has self-evidently served him well, but arguably his new ruse is faring even better. He is no longer a wall of noise but a wall of s**t. He is cocooned in his own inadequacy.

    This, clearly, was the plan all along: to be so relentlessly terrible, to have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently that it is impossible for any interviewer to know where to start or stop.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-andrew-marr-bbc-brexit-tory-conference-a9125241.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,922






















    The government's new Brexit plan gets widespread coverage in Wednesday's newspapers - but the Daily Telegraph is one of the few claiming to know what's in it.
    The paper says Boris Johnson is proposing a "radical two borders for four years" option to break the deadlock over the Irish backstop, which will keep Northern Ireland in the single market until 2025.
    The plan includes a regulatory border between Britain and Northern Ireland in the Irish Sea, and customs checks between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic.
    The Telegraph adds that the proposal is expected to meet fierce opposition from EU leaders and the Irish government.
    The newspaper's Europe editor, Peter Foster, says Mr Johnson "has rolled the diplomatic dice, but it seems the rules of this game of high European politics are stacked against him".
    The papers are unanimous about how Mr Johnson will deal with EU resistance to his new offer.
    Paraphrasing Downing Street's line on the UK's offer, the Daily Express, the Metro and the Daily Mail all have the phrase "take it or leave it" in their headlines.



    The Mail's editorial says after three years of stonewalling, the "endgame is almost upon us".
    It believes we will finally discover if the EU is "serious about about forging a viable Brexit deal" or just stalling for time in the hope that the referendum result will be overturned.
    The prime minister tells the Sun he has "10 days to do a deal" and is prepared to listen to counter-offers - and he would not rule out putting a time limit on the Irish backstop

    The Daily Star is among those carrying photos of PC Stuart Outten who is preparing to go back to work three months after being wounded in a machete attack.
    The officer is pictured with a large scar above his left ear which he got after attending a routine traffic stop in east London.
    The Sun reminds its readers that despite injuries to his head and hand, PC Outten zapped the suspect with a Taser.
    An inset picture in the article shows the paper's previous front page labelling him "Britain's hardest copper".
    Several papers are amused by a moment at the Tory party conference where Boris Johnson is handed a coffee - only for another aide to **** it off him seconds later, saying: "No disposable cups".
    The Daily Express describes the PM's aides as "steamed up", while the Daily Mirror's pictures are captioned "what a mug".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-49901487







  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,922
    No-deal Brexit could prompt Nissan factory rethink - FT



    LONDON (Reuters) - Japanese carmaker Nissan <7201.T> will review its decision to build the Qashqai SUV in northern England if Britain leaves the EU without a deal, potentially leading to the closure of the Sunderland plant, the Financial Times reported.
    The vast site holds a symbolic position in the UK after former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher lured Nissan there in 1986, beginning a recovery in British car-making after its near collapse in the 1970s.
    Britain's big carmakers, all foreign owned, had urged Britons to vote to stay in the European Union in the 2016 referendum and have warned ever since that they will struggle to operate if the normal European trade arteries are disrupted.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/no-deal-brexit-could-prompt-nissan-factory-rethink-ft/ar-AAI6Z5W?ocid=spartanntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,922

    MISTY4ME Posts: 2,646Member
    11:59
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    Thank you very much.

    It is a real pity that you are such a leave voter.
    I'm not ....... I just want us to control our borders, and not be beholden to the EU, but to still have close ties ..... 'The Cherry & the Bun' or as close to it as possible. We managed to keep the £pound after all.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,922
    HAYSIE said:


    MISTY4ME Posts: 2,646Member
    11:59
    HAYSIE said:

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    Thank you very much.

    It is a real pity that you are such a leave voter.
    I'm not ....... I just want us to control our borders, and not be beholden to the EU, but to still have close ties ..... 'The Cherry & the Bun' or as close to it as possible. We managed to keep the £pound after all.

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    HAYSIE Posts: 7,060Member
    12:52
    MISTY4ME said:

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    I'm not ....... I just want us to control our borders, and not be beholden to the EU, but to still have close ties ..... 'The Cherry & the Bun' or as close to it as possible. We managed to keep the £pound after all.
    Brilliant response, except for,

    How do you control our borders when there will not be one in Ireland, and 450 million EU citizens have the right to travel to Ireland, and catch a bus over the border into Northern Ireland into the UK?

    Border control without borders is just a silly thought.

    The current Government are in negotiations with Australia and New Zealand over freedom of movement with them.

    Maybe just the start?

    The Labour Party voted at their conference to retain freedom of movement with the EU, after we have left.

    So good luck with your border control.

    Its not going to happen, whoever wins the election.

    Nor whether we eventually leave, or remain.

    Name anything that we are beholden to the EU for, that has affected your life in an adverse way?

    I am not even sure of what you mean?

    It sounds like something you hear down the local Wetherspoons, when youre getting your 20pence off a pint, and just repeat without knowing what it means.

    When the bloke that said it to you probably didn't know what it meant either.

    I am unsure if this was supposed to be a combination of cherry picking, and the penny and the bun. If so very well done, albeit unrealistic, as per the rest of it.

    We were never, ever, ever, in danger of losing the pound.

    Although we would have been better off with Euros since the referendum.

    At this point you usually hoist the white flag, and your backside is seen disappearing over the horizon at speed.

    Well the speed bit may be an exaggeration, but this is what you usually do at the first sight of a question.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,922


















    Many of the European newspapers see little value in the prime minister's new Brexit plan.
    The Irish Times concludes it is "unrealistic and unworkable".
    The Dublin-based paper says the proposals either reflect an "extraordinary ignorance of Northern Ireland or a willingness to risk the Belfast Agreement".
    The Irish Independent also fears it could threaten the peace process, concluding it "asks too much and delivers far too little".
    German daily Das Zeit urges the EU not to accept what it calls Boris Johnson's "poisoned offer", suggesting the prime minister is not interested in solutions and instead wants to confuse people.
    French newspaper Le Monde insists the current proposal would be very difficult for Brussels and Dublin to accept, while the Spanish El Pais calls the plan "complex and disjointed".
    It suggests the UK should be able to leave Europe without creating breeding grounds which revive terrorism from the past.
    However, in the event the EU does reject Mr Johnson's Brexit proposals, the prime minister's senior aides have ordered Conservative MPs to call the bloc "crazy", according to an internal memo leaked to BuzzFeed News.
    Domestically, many of Thursday's front pages weigh in on the chances of the government's new Brexit proposals leading to a new deal with the EU.
    The Daily Express is confident the prime minister is "edging towards a breakthrough", while the Daily Telegraph suggests he's placing Ireland under "huge pressure" to accept his plan.
    But the Financial Times says his proposal "faces a frosty reception in Brussels", with the Guardian reporting that the EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, has been "scathing" in private.
    The i insists that the EU is ready to reject the scheme.



    Elsewhere, the prime minister's showcase speech on Wednesday at the Conservative Party conference receives mixed reviews.
    "Is that it?" asks the Daily Mirror on its front page, which dismisses his talk as "vacuous" and without "a shred of policy".
    Martin Kettle in the Guardian suggests it could have been cobbled together over breakfast, with no mention of the climate, migration or terrorism.
    But the Daily Express calls it the "mother of all speeches", with a reference to the revelation that Mr Johnson's mother voted Leave, while the Sun says it was "a joke-packed rallying call about optimism and... believing in Britain".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-49914844








  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,460
    HAYSIE said:

    Boris Johnson has cocooned himself in his own inadequacy. No one can touch him
    To have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently is surely part of the
    plan




    Years ago, Boris Johnson described his strategy in interviews as to become “a blond wall of noise” through which his interviewer cannot penetrate.
    It has self-evidently served him well, but arguably his new ruse is faring even better. He is no longer a wall of noise but a wall of s**t. He is cocooned in his own inadequacy.

    This, clearly, was the plan all along: to be so relentlessly terrible, to have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently that it is impossible for any interviewer to know where to start or stop.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-andrew-marr-bbc-brexit-tory-conference-a9125241.html

    I'm not a great fan of twitter but @bydonkeys is a must!


  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,460
    madprof said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Boris Johnson has cocooned himself in his own inadequacy. No one can touch him
    To have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently is surely part of the
    plan




    Years ago, Boris Johnson described his strategy in interviews as to become “a blond wall of noise” through which his interviewer cannot penetrate.
    It has self-evidently served him well, but arguably his new ruse is faring even better. He is no longer a wall of noise but a wall of s**t. He is cocooned in his own inadequacy.

    This, clearly, was the plan all along: to be so relentlessly terrible, to have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently that it is impossible for any interviewer to know where to start or stop.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-andrew-marr-bbc-brexit-tory-conference-a9125241.html

    I'm not a great fan of twitter but @bydonkeys is a must!


    madprof said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Boris Johnson has cocooned himself in his own inadequacy. No one can touch him
    To have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently is surely part of the
    plan




    Years ago, Boris Johnson described his strategy in interviews as to become “a blond wall of noise” through which his interviewer cannot penetrate.
    It has self-evidently served him well, but arguably his new ruse is faring even better. He is no longer a wall of noise but a wall of s**t. He is cocooned in his own inadequacy.

    This, clearly, was the plan all along: to be so relentlessly terrible, to have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently that it is impossible for any interviewer to know where to start or stop.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-andrew-marr-bbc-brexit-tory-conference-a9125241.html

    I'm not a great fan of twitter but @bydonkeys is a must!


    Closer to the truth

  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,460
    madprof said:

    madprof said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Boris Johnson has cocooned himself in his own inadequacy. No one can touch him
    To have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently is surely part of the
    plan




    Years ago, Boris Johnson described his strategy in interviews as to become “a blond wall of noise” through which his interviewer cannot penetrate.
    It has self-evidently served him well, but arguably his new ruse is faring even better. He is no longer a wall of noise but a wall of s**t. He is cocooned in his own inadequacy.

    This, clearly, was the plan all along: to be so relentlessly terrible, to have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently that it is impossible for any interviewer to know where to start or stop.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-andrew-marr-bbc-brexit-tory-conference-a9125241.html

    I'm not a great fan of twitter but @bydonkeys is a must!


    madprof said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Boris Johnson has cocooned himself in his own inadequacy. No one can touch him
    To have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently is surely part of the
    plan




    Years ago, Boris Johnson described his strategy in interviews as to become “a blond wall of noise” through which his interviewer cannot penetrate.
    It has self-evidently served him well, but arguably his new ruse is faring even better. He is no longer a wall of noise but a wall of s**t. He is cocooned in his own inadequacy.

    This, clearly, was the plan all along: to be so relentlessly terrible, to have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently that it is impossible for any interviewer to know where to start or stop.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-andrew-marr-bbc-brexit-tory-conference-a9125241.html

    I'm not a great fan of twitter but @bydonkeys is a must!


    Closer to the truth

  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,460
    madprof said:

    madprof said:

    madprof said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Boris Johnson has cocooned himself in his own inadequacy. No one can touch him
    To have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently is surely part of the
    plan




    Years ago, Boris Johnson described his strategy in interviews as to become “a blond wall of noise” through which his interviewer cannot penetrate.
    It has self-evidently served him well, but arguably his new ruse is faring even better. He is no longer a wall of noise but a wall of s**t. He is cocooned in his own inadequacy.

    This, clearly, was the plan all along: to be so relentlessly terrible, to have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently that it is impossible for any interviewer to know where to start or stop.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-andrew-marr-bbc-brexit-tory-conference-a9125241.html

    I'm not a great fan of twitter but @bydonkeys is a must!


    madprof said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Boris Johnson has cocooned himself in his own inadequacy. No one can touch him
    To have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently is surely part of the
    plan




    Years ago, Boris Johnson described his strategy in interviews as to become “a blond wall of noise” through which his interviewer cannot penetrate.
    It has self-evidently served him well, but arguably his new ruse is faring even better. He is no longer a wall of noise but a wall of s**t. He is cocooned in his own inadequacy.

    This, clearly, was the plan all along: to be so relentlessly terrible, to have so many career-ending scandals running concurrently that it is impossible for any interviewer to know where to start or stop.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-andrew-marr-bbc-brexit-tory-conference-a9125241.html

    I'm not a great fan of twitter but @bydonkeys is a must!


    Closer to the truth

    Last one!(for now...) By the person who is leading the country at the moment
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,922


















    The Guardian is one of a number of papers to focus on the fall-out from Donald Trump's decision to pull American troops out of northern Syria.

    In its editorial column, the paper describes the decision, thereby giving Turkey the opportunity to attack Kurdish forces there, as "reckless and dangerous".

    It argues that in a worst-case scenario the move could lead to what it calls a "new humanitarian catastrophe" and the resurgence of the Islamic State group.

    According to the Daily Telegraph, Mr Trump "risks sending dangerously confusing signals in a volatile area, where any conflict can have much wider geopolitical implications".

    And it points out the Kurds "have lost thousands of fighters removing the threat posed by Islamic State" - and therefore deserve to be protected from the threat now posed to them by the Turkish military.



    The lead in the Daily Mail is about a campaign its running for changes to the funding of dementia care.

    The paper is angered by the number of elderly sufferers who have to sell their homes so they can pay to be looked after.

    It has a front page picture of a petition with more than 350,000 signatures being delivered to No 10.

    There are details in the Times of a row that's broken out about cricket sponsorship.

    It reports that the head of the NHS in England, Simon Stevens, has criticised the sport's governing body, the ECB, for allowing the shirts of teams competing in the new Hundred tournament to be used to advertise snacks such as crisps and popcorn.

    An ECB spokesman is quoted as saying snack brands have a "long history of partnering with sports".

    Finally, the Sun reveals that the ITV show Dancing On Ice is to make history by becoming the first television dance competition to feature an all-male couple.

    The paper's showbusiness editor, Simon Boyle, suggests the producers of Strictly Come Dancing on the BBC "missed a trick" by not doing the same thing in the current series.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-49981381





















  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,922
    Wales now third UK nation that backs staying in EU

    Two years ago, Wales voted to Leave the EU by 53% to 47%. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted Remain. The latest YouGov research suggests that Wales may have changed sides. If a referendum were held now, it may well produce Remain majorities in all three nations of the United Kingdom outside England. With London firmly in the pro-EU camp, a new referendum could turn into a tussle between provincial England and the rest of the UK.

    The majority in Wales for staying in the EU is still narrow: it commands 51% support, while Leave has 49%. However, as with all of YouGov’s polls, it is able to compare how people say they would vote now with what the same people told YouGov at the time of the 2016 referendum about their vote then. In short, while the scale of the shift to staying in the EU is subject to a margin of error, the fact of a shift is beyond doubt.

    The shift has been driven by Labour voters, where the swing is 6%, double the average for all Welsh voters. In the referendum two years ago, Labour supporters voted 66% to 34% for Remain. This has now widened to 72% versus 28%. Labour voters also back a People’s Vote by almost three-to-one: 61% to 22%. These numbers should concern those Labour MPs who are resisting both continued membership of the EU and a fresh referendum to let the people decide the issue.

    While the shift to staying in the EU will vary from seat to seat, the figures suggest that a number of Labour MPs who represent Leave constituencies would be likely to find that a referendum today would show that their local voters have switched sides.

    https://infacts.org/wales-now-third-uk-nation-that-backs-staying-in-eu/
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,922
    New Brexit opinion poll shows Remain open up a significant lead in Wales
    The exclusive poll for WalesOnline shows public opinion in Wales is shifting dramatically against leaving the EU




    Opinion in Wales is shifting significantly against leaving the European Union, a new opinion poll shows.

    If there was a new referendum on EU membership in Wales today, the poll commissioned from Beaufort Research by WalesOnline, suggests that Remain would have a 10 percentage point lead over leave.


    The poll of 1,000 people done in the first three weeks of June shows that when “don’t knows” and “won’t votes” are excluded, Remain would lead Leave by 55% to 45%. In the 2016 referendum, Leave led Remain by 52.53% to 47.47% in Wales.

    The figures reflect what polls have been showing consistently since the start of 2019, that Remain has established a lead over Leave across the UK.

    Across the UK on May 21, a Panelbase poll showed Remain on 52% and Leave on 45%; a week earlier a Kantar poll showed Remain on 42% and Leave on 33%; and a ComRes poll on April 16 showed 52% backing Remain and 38% supporting Leave.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/remain-10-percentage-point-lead-16527262
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,922






    The Daily Telegraph claims that Brexit talks with the EU will formally conclude in the next 24 hours - if Boris Johnson and his Irish counterpart, Leo Varadkar, fail to find a way forward on the Irish border when they meet later today.

    It says the prospects of an agreement look "slim" - even though the PM has told Conservative MPs he's "desperate" to get one.

    In an interview with the paper, the former chancellor, Philip Hammond, says that if the talks fail, Mr Johnson should consider a "rapid-fire zero-tariff trade deal" with the EU - leaving Northern Ireland in a separate backstop.

    "It's important," insists Mr Hammond, "we send a message to Brussels that the well isn't run dry of ideas; that there is still a deal to be done."

    The Sun reports that Labour is ready to grant Mr Johnson a general election on 26 November, if he fails to deliver Brexit at the end of the month.

    It says that - providing a delay to Brexit is enforced next week - Jeremy Corbyn will support a new bid to dissolve Parliament and go to the country.

    But according to the Spectator website, some figures in government are sceptical there will be an election before the spring.

    "Labour MPs are looking at the polls and they don't like what they are seeing," one unnamed cabinet minister suggests, adding: "The better the Tories fare, the more they are reluctant to have one."



    Finally, the Daily Mirror reports on the sentencing of a man who ordered a cheeseburger while robbing a branch of McDonald's in Coventry last year.

    Daniel Parra-Braun demanded that a cashier empty the till - but was told he would have to buy something before it would open.

    He handed over £5 - before making off with £136 in cash.

    A judge ordered the 37-year-old to spend five years in prison, describing the episode as "bizarre"



    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-49995124






  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,922
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,922
    I listened to Andrew Neill interviewing Tony Blair yesterday.

    I think Mr Neill is a brilliant interviewer, that leaves no stone unturned.

    Tony Blairs interview was followed by a representative of Extinction Rebellion, who was extremely unprepared, and admitted that the outrageous claims made by her colleagues regarding the deaths of billions of children in the next decade, were completely untrue.

    Mr Blair made a number of valid points.

    Brexit is the most important decision this country will make in over 70 years.

    The choice that most people are considering to solve the current impasse, appear to be a vote by the electorate. This means a general election, or a referendum.

    A general election usually involves each party putting forward a manifesto which normally covers a number of different policies.

    Whereas a referendum is usually designed to solve a single issue.

    Brexit is by far the most important single issue.

    Yet the Tories could gain a small majority on 35% of the vote on a no deal manifesto.

    This could mean leaving without a deal, when the majority of the electorate voted for the parties that were not in favour of this.

    Labour and the Lib Dems could achieve a larger percentage of the vote, yet be in the minority.

    Therefore to think that a general election is a solution is foolish.

    However a referendum followed by a general election provides a definitive solution.

    Just to argue that it is somehow undemocratic, does not provide a solution.

    A referendum on Brexit which solved this problem, followed by a general election which established how we wished to move forward post Brexit, is much more sensible.

    Just to say, polticians should sort it out, or just do it, provides no solution.

    If the problem is Brexit, then the way out is a referendum.

    Leaving without a deal, or revoking article 50 are clearly less democratic than a referendum.

    We are where we are, we cant turn the clock back.

    To continually bang on about 17.4 million, the will of the people, democracy, solves nothing, and just leads to extension after extension, however a referendum does.
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