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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,899


    The government will consider whether to reduce the size of the Army, according to the Times, in a major review of foreign and defence policy.
    The paper says the review - due to be announced by the prime minister later - will be concluded by the end of the autumn.
    The Telegraph suggests that defence spending overall could increase over the next five years. It says the review will look at how and where the Ministry of Defence spends money - an area much criticised by Boris Johnson's chief advisor, Dominic Cummings.
    There are calls for the former Labour deputy leader, Tom Watson, to be barred from taking a peerage after his allegations of a Westminster paedophile ring were dismissed by the independent sex abuse inquiry.
    The Sun accuses the former MP of promoting a "baseless conspiracy theory".



    A number of papers take the opportunity to review the EU's negotiating mandate ahead of talks on a new trade deal with the UK.
    According to the Daily Mail, the process has already got off to an acrimonious start with the EU's demands already being rebuffed by Downing Street. In particular, it says Brussels requirement for access to UK fishing waters could sink a potential deal.
    The Financial Times says the EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, has been irked by what he sees as the prime minister's backsliding just days before the talks begin. It says his frustration reflects concerns in Brussels that the two sides are heading in different directions.







    Boris Johnson news - live: Tories rally to defend MP who exposed himself to woman, as DWP benefits suicides 'cover-up' emerges

    Boris Johnson’s police minister Kit Malthouse has defended Tory MP James Grundy, who is facing calls to resign after a video emerged which showed him exposing himself woman in a pub. Mr Malthouse suggested it was merely a youthful indiscretion.
    The Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) has been accused of dealing in a “secretive” way with reviews into cases of benefit claimants who have gone on to take their own lives. Labour said the department was keeping the process “hush, hush”.
    It comes as the respected Institute for Fiscal Studies think tank said chancellor Rishi Sunak will have to hike taxes – or entrench austerity – to pay for a spending splurge in the upcoming budget.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-live-brexit-deal-eu-trade-talks-labour-leadership-contest-a9359601.html
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    James Grundy is the recently elected MP for Leigh ( My town of Birth)
    I’m in a Facebook Group for Leigh residents past and present , the amount of people “ sticking up” for him has to be seen to be believed , the same people who vociferously criticised Labour MP’s for less.
    There’s nowt as **** as folk..
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    Filter q ueer?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,899
    tomgoodun said:

    Filter q ueer?

    Political correctness has gone mad?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,899
    tomgoodun said:

    James Grundy is the recently elected MP for Leigh ( My town of Birth)
    I’m in a Facebook Group for Leigh residents past and present , the amount of people “ sticking up” for him has to be seen to be believed , the same people who vociferously criticised Labour MP’s for less.
    There’s nowt as **** as folk..

    Why would anyone want a flasher as their MP?

    What about metoo?

    You cant really ignore the fact that exposing yourself to a women is illegal.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,899
    What are the red lines that could block a Brexit trade deal?

    It looks like someone’s red lines will have to turn pink, or we’re headed for a no-deal disaster at the end of 2020.

    EU ministers have signed off on a 46-page mandate for trade talks beginning next week – and chief negotiator Michel Barnier said the UK must agree to a “level playing field” on rules and regulations or there won’t be any deal. “We will not conclude an agreement at any price,” he said.

    No 10 – due to publish the UK’s mandate on Thursday – decided to issue a response in five tweets. Downing Street demanded “autonomy” to set its own rules and claimed the EU had forged a deal with the US “without the kind of level playing field commitments ... they have put in today’s mandate.”









    What are the red lines that could block a Brexit trade deal?
    The negotiations between the UK and EU begin on Monday and could founder over fish, finance, data or regulations,






    For anyone who thought Boris Johnson had “got Brexit done” with the deal he struck with Brussels in October and passed through parliament in January, the fact that fresh negotiations will begin in Brussels on Monday may come as some surprise.
    And the fact that these talks could lead to a no-deal Brexit at the end of 2020 is something so contrary to the prime minister’s narrative that he refuses to use the term himself, preferring to call it an “Australian-style settlement”.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/politics-explained/brexit-trade-deal-talks-boris-johnson-eu-brussels-a9359236.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,899
    Levelling up?


  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    James Grundy is the recently elected MP for Leigh ( My town of Birth)
    I’m in a Facebook Group for Leigh residents past and present , the amount of people “ sticking up” for him has to be seen to be believed , the same people who vociferously criticised Labour MP’s for less.
    There’s nowt as **** as folk..

    Why would anyone want a flasher as their MP?

    What about metoo?

    You cant really ignore the fact that exposing yourself to a women is illegal.
    The best comment on the group page was “ Unfortunately in this government it was probably a good career move, he’ll probably be part of Boris’ front bench next week” 😏
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    It’s just so sad that folk believe all they see and hear.
    Maybe that’s why they can’t make head nor tail of anything.
    Just a catch up on the “freedom of the press”
    The same press that interferes with court cases,causing their collapse.
    Phone tapping,long range intrusive photography,running stories with no foundation or facts thus paying paying hefty fines.Headlining an answer, making out it’s an outburst, when not even putting the original question in the story. Clicking away at a dying Princess in car, and so on.
    All to sell a paper that if it’s not in the recycling bin on that day, will be on the following day.
    Liken it to the American gun law myself. When it’s bad it’s ugly.
    Question. Why on earth do the media think they have the right to know the U.K. approach to negotiations.
    It’s like putting in the chat box what hole cards you have, every hand.
    It’s supposed to be the most important event in the U.K. for 50odd years.(So some say)The media are doing their best to undermine the negotiations.
    The right way to deal is make out you’re interested in something when your not.
    And not interested in something when you are.
    I think the big story will be HS2.
    It’s a good idea to get the Chinese to build it, cheaper and more efficient.
    They can also buy theGovernment debt that helps fund it.
    But the Yanks won’t like the Chinese getting too involved with the U.K.
    Which could actually put the U.K. in quite a good negotiating position, or get HS2 to come in cheaper than the ballooning cost.

    The floods.
    It’s so important for Boris to visit a flooded town or village?
    November’s trip was in Haysies “ pitch” . Obv.
    If he visited one, he’d have to visit all 20+ flooded areas. The call would be “ he’s visited there, but not here.The matey that wanted to buy him a pint🤣. I wonder how many takes it took to nearly get that interview nearly right.
    The higher you build barriers, the more you channel water,which will make it even higher.
    So high, that it will take out the bridges.
    There’s so many places, especiallyin the Welsh valleys that have no flood plains.
    Those two storms aren’t necessarily the worst the U.K. will ever see, if you believe in climate change.
    So 8ft, 10ft,15 ft barriers? You would have to over engineer them.locals would moan it’s an eyesore, affecting tourism and property prices.
    Unfortunately for them,they are in a similar position to those that live on the slopes, base of volcanoes, or earth quake fault lines.
    All the Governments can do is save lives.
    Why are you shaking in your boots at no deal?
    I’d see a lag, then rebuild. No prob.
    Over to you.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    I haven’t read back over this thread, but will proceed to comment on other questions you would like me to answer at a later date.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    What are the red lines that could block a Brexit trade deal?

    It looks like someone’s red lines will have to turn pink, or we’re headed for a no-deal disaster at the end of 2020.

    EU ministers have signed off on a 46-page mandate for trade talks beginning next week – and chief negotiator Michel Barnier said the UK must agree to a “level playing field” on rules and regulations or there won’t be any deal. “We will not conclude an agreement at any price,” he said.

    No 10 – due to publish the UK’s mandate on Thursday – decided to issue a response in five tweets. Downing Street demanded “autonomy” to set its own rules and claimed the EU had forged a deal with the US “without the kind of level playing field commitments ... they have put in today’s mandate.”









    What are the red lines that could block a Brexit trade deal?
    The negotiations between the UK and EU begin on Monday and could founder over fish, finance, data or regulations,






    For anyone who thought Boris Johnson had “got Brexit done” with the deal he struck with Brussels in October and passed through parliament in January, the fact that fresh negotiations will begin in Brussels on Monday may come as some surprise.
    And the fact that these talks could lead to a no-deal Brexit at the end of 2020 is something so contrary to the prime minister’s narrative that he refuses to use the term himself, preferring to call it an “Australian-style settlement”.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/politics-explained/brexit-trade-deal-talks-boris-johnson-eu-brussels-a9359236.html

    Independent is a Russian News Rag.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,899






    The Daily Telegraph is among several papers to picture a timbered house engulfed by the floods at Ironbridge in Shropshire.
    It also reports that Prime Minister Boris Johnson is planning to tear up part of the ground rules set out in the political declaration during the Brexit trade talks.
    The paper indicates he may go back on previous agreements in areas such as Northern Ireland, fishing and state aid.
    Meanwhile the Daily Mirror devotes its front page to the PM's absence from any flood-hit areas - under the headline "Get a Grip... You Drip".
    The Mirror's editorial insists that Mr Johnson has time to attend a Tory fundraiser, but "cannot be bothered to look for his wellies".



    The Daily Mail reveals that a donor successfully bid £60,000 for a game of tennis with Mr Johnson at the fundraising event. Its Pugh cartoon shows a man commenting on the match: "I hope it's not in Shropshire or Worcestershire, Boris will never turn up."
    There's a suggestion in the Times that if a court ruling goes against the expansion of Heathrow Airport then the prime minister is not likely to sanction an appeal to the Supreme Court.
    Whitehall sources have told the Times that Mr Johnson has already been considering alternative plans to the third runway.
    Heathrow's chief executive warns on the front of the Telegraph and in the Sun that blocking the plan could ensure that Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris takes over as the UK's hub.









    Sajid Javid fires barrage of criticism at Johnson in Commons speech
    Former chancellor says plan to make him sack his advisers was not in the national interest




    The former chancellor Sajid Javid has delivered a sharp indictment of the government, saying plans to centralise the team of advisers serving No 10 and the Treasury were “not in the national interest”.
    Javid issued his dramatic statement to MPs in the Commons at the first prime minister’s questions session since the reshuffle on 13 February, as Boris Johnson sat and listened.
    Javid quit as chancellor after he was told to sack his team of advisers because the government planned to merge No 10 and the Treasury into one operation. “Advisers advise, ministers decide, and ministers decide on their advisers,” he told the Commons.
    He said he did not want to reflect on individuals behind his decision to stand down, but added, with a dramatic pause. “The comings and goings, if you will.”
    The word “comings” was interpreted by MPs around him as a clear reference to Johnson’s top adviser, Dominic Cummings, the former campaign director of Vote Leave who has been working for the prime minister since the summer.
    Cummings is said to want to bring Downing Street and the Treasury together to give No 10 more control over spending plans, the economy and budget policies.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/26/sajid-javid-fires-barrage-of-criticism-at-johnson-in-commons-speech





  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,899
    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    James Grundy is the recently elected MP for Leigh ( My town of Birth)
    I’m in a Facebook Group for Leigh residents past and present , the amount of people “ sticking up” for him has to be seen to be believed , the same people who vociferously criticised Labour MP’s for less.
    There’s nowt as **** as folk..

    Why would anyone want a flasher as their MP?

    What about metoo?

    You cant really ignore the fact that exposing yourself to a women is illegal.
    The best comment on the group page was “ Unfortunately in this government it was probably a good career move, he’ll probably be part of Boris’ front bench next week” 😏
    An odds on certainty.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,899
    edited February 2020
    chilling said:

    It’s just so sad that folk believe all they see and hear.

    Some do.


    Maybe that’s why they can’t make head nor tail of anything.



    I would include you in this.


    Just a catch up on the “freedom of the press”


    Something that you are not in favour of?



    The same press that interferes with court cases,causing their collapse.
    Phone tapping,long range intrusive photography,running stories with no foundation or facts thus paying paying hefty fines.Headlining an answer, making out it’s an outburst, when not even putting the original question in the story. Clicking away at a dying Princess in car, and so on.


    As well as being a history fan, as you consistently quote events from the dim and distant past in an attempt to support your arguments regarding todays events.
    You also wish to conflate issues.
    The above has nothing at all to do with press freedom. This freedom relates to their right to publish with no interference, rather than any right to break the law. Some sections of the press will act unethically, but we can judge them for that. Phone tapping has nothing to do with press freedom, is illegal, and prosecutions resulted. It is therefore not possible to conflate press freedom with phone tapping.

    You don't appear to understand this particular argument, although I have tried to explain it a couple of times.
    Not all journalists are given a lobby pass.
    Lobby journalists have a pass that allows them access to Westminster.
    The Government does two lobby briefings per day while Parliament is sitting.
    This practice has gone on for 150 years
    This Government tried to exclude some journalists/titles from a briefing.
    The rest walked out in protest.
    This was clearly undemocratic, and a complete failure.



    What is the lobby?


    It is a collection of around 250 journalists representing an array of regional, national and ­international media outlets, all of whom report on the daily comings and goings of Westminster.



    How does it work?


    Journalists are given a lobby pass, which allows them to access the Parliamentary estate and therefore listen to debates in the Commons and Lords ­chambers, select committee hearings or simply meet MPs and their advisers. It also allows them access to the twice-daily lobby briefing delivered by the Prime Minister’s official spokesman.


    All to sell a paper that if it’s not in the recycling bin on that day, will be on the following day.
    Liken it to the American gun law myself. When it’s bad it’s ugly.


    To associate press freedom with US gun laws is twisted.




    Question. Why on earth do the media think they have the right to know the U.K. approach to negotiations.


    Because The Government arranged a briefing to inform them.



    It’s like putting in the chat box what hole cards you have, every hand.

    Its clearly not.



    It’s supposed to be the most important event in the U.K. for 50odd years.(So some say)The media are doing their best to undermine the negotiations.


    How?



    The right way to deal is make out you’re interested in something when your not.
    And not interested in something when you are.


    Very insightful Baldrick.

    So you think the best way to go forward is that both sides should try to make the other believe that they don't care about doing a deal with their biggest trading partner.

    A tremendous cunning plan, how long did it take for you to think of that?





    I think the big story will be HS2.
    It’s a good idea to get the Chinese to build it, cheaper and more efficient.
    They can also buy theGovernment debt that helps fund it.
    But the Yanks won’t like the Chinese getting too involved with the U.K.
    Which could actually put the U.K. in quite a good negotiating position, or get HS2 to come in cheaper than the ballooning cost.


    Boris seems to be doing a good job of reducing the chances of a US trade deal.

    The floods.
    It’s so important for Boris to visit a flooded town or village?
    November’s trip was in Haysies “ pitch” . Obv.
    If he visited one, he’d have to visit all 20+ flooded areas. The call would be “ he’s visited there, but not here.The matey that wanted to buy him a pint🤣. I wonder how many takes it took to nearly get that interview nearly right.
    The higher you build barriers, the more you channel water,which will make it even higher.
    So high, that it will take out the bridges.
    There’s so many places, especiallyin the Welsh valleys that have no flood plains.
    Those two storms aren’t necessarily the worst the U.K. will ever see, if you believe in climate change.
    So 8ft, 10ft,15 ft barriers? You would have to over engineer them.locals would moan it’s an eyesore, affecting tourism and property prices.
    Unfortunately for them,they are in a similar position to those that live on the slopes, base of volcanoes, or earth quake fault lines.
    All the Governments can do is save lives.


    The point that has been made about the floods was that Boris was around them, all guns blazing, during the election campaign, but hasn't been seen near them since.
    I know you are not keen on them, but that is a fact.
    If you argue that he doesn't need to visit, then why did he during the election campaign?

    The Government has spent money on flood defences, that have proved to be successful, but the argument is that it is too little too late.

    I am not a flooding expert, and neither are you. However there are some easy solutions. I saw a report the other night which suggested that some of the flooding was caused because we have stopped dredging many rivers, that used to be dredged.



    Why are you shaking in your boots at no deal?

    I am not, but the overwhelming majority of economists are predicting a disaster.



    I’d see a lag, then rebuild. No prob.

    You should be in the cabinet.

    Or are maybe just naïve.

    Or maybe just better qualified than expert economists?


    Over to you.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,899
    chilling said:

    HAYSIE said:

    What are the red lines that could block a Brexit trade deal?

    It looks like someone’s red lines will have to turn pink, or we’re headed for a no-deal disaster at the end of 2020.

    EU ministers have signed off on a 46-page mandate for trade talks beginning next week – and chief negotiator Michel Barnier said the UK must agree to a “level playing field” on rules and regulations or there won’t be any deal. “We will not conclude an agreement at any price,” he said.

    No 10 – due to publish the UK’s mandate on Thursday – decided to issue a response in five tweets. Downing Street demanded “autonomy” to set its own rules and claimed the EU had forged a deal with the US “without the kind of level playing field commitments ... they have put in today’s mandate.”









    What are the red lines that could block a Brexit trade deal?
    The negotiations between the UK and EU begin on Monday and could founder over fish, finance, data or regulations,






    For anyone who thought Boris Johnson had “got Brexit done” with the deal he struck with Brussels in October and passed through parliament in January, the fact that fresh negotiations will begin in Brussels on Monday may come as some surprise.
    And the fact that these talks could lead to a no-deal Brexit at the end of 2020 is something so contrary to the prime minister’s narrative that he refuses to use the term himself, preferring to call it an “Australian-style settlement”.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/politics-explained/brexit-trade-deal-talks-boris-johnson-eu-brussels-a9359236.html

    Independent is a Russian News Rag.
    Proof?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,899
    edited February 2020






    Crisp makers race to distance themselves from Jacob Rees-Mogg after Twitter photo
    Savoury snack manufacturers appear at pains to disassociate themselves from Tory MP who suggested Grenfell victims were to blame for their deaths





    "No even us peasants eat ready salted crisps you boring ****," another person added


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-walkers-pringles-crisps-twitter-a9362376.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,899
    chilling said:

    It’s just so sad that folk believe all they see and hear.
    Maybe that’s why they can’t make head nor tail of anything.
    Just a catch up on the “freedom of the press”
    The same press that interferes with court cases,causing their collapse.
    Phone tapping,long range intrusive photography,running stories with no foundation or facts thus paying paying hefty fines.Headlining an answer, making out it’s an outburst, when not even putting the original question in the story. Clicking away at a dying Princess in car, and so on.
    All to sell a paper that if it’s not in the recycling bin on that day, will be on the following day.
    Liken it to the American gun law myself. When it’s bad it’s ugly.
    Question. Why on earth do the media think they have the right to know the U.K. approach to negotiations.
    It’s like putting in the chat box what hole cards you have, every hand.
    It’s supposed to be the most important event in the U.K. for 50odd years.(So some say)The media are doing their best to undermine the negotiations.
    The right way to deal is make out you’re interested in something when your not.
    And not interested in something when you are.
    I think the big story will be HS2.
    It’s a good idea to get the Chinese to build it, cheaper and more efficient.
    They can also buy theGovernment debt that helps fund it.
    But the Yanks won’t like the Chinese getting too involved with the U.K.
    Which could actually put the U.K. in quite a good negotiating position, or get HS2 to come in cheaper than the ballooning cost.

    The floods.
    It’s so important for Boris to visit a flooded town or village?
    November’s trip was in Haysies “ pitch” . Obv.
    If he visited one, he’d have to visit all 20+ flooded areas. The call would be “ he’s visited there, but not here.The matey that wanted to buy him a pint🤣. I wonder how many takes it took to nearly get that interview nearly right.
    The higher you build barriers, the more you channel water,which will make it even higher.
    So high, that it will take out the bridges.
    There’s so many places, especiallyin the Welsh valleys that have no flood plains.
    Those two storms aren’t necessarily the worst the U.K. will ever see, if you believe in climate change.
    So 8ft, 10ft,15 ft barriers? You would have to over engineer them.locals would moan it’s an eyesore, affecting tourism and property prices.
    Unfortunately for them,they are in a similar position to those that live on the slopes, base of volcanoes, or earth quake fault lines.
    All the Governments can do is save lives.
    Why are you shaking in your boots at no deal?
    I’d see a lag, then rebuild. No prob.
    Over to you.

    No deal means trading on WTO rules.

    What do you see as the benefits of this?

    There will be tariffs.

    Tariffs mean increased prices for consumers.

    The Tories have to increase taxes to cover increased spending.

    We will see how fond of Boris you are this time next year.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,899
    chilling said:

    I haven’t read back over this thread, but will proceed to comment on other questions you would like me to answer at a later date.

    Immigration to UK from non-EU countries hits record levels



    The number of people moving to the UK long-term from non-EU countries is at its highest level on record, according to the latest estimates.
    In the year to September, immigration from non-EU countries hit 379,000 – the highest it has ever been since records began in 1975 when it was 93,000.
    Net migration from outside the EU – the balance between the number of people entering and leaving the country – is also at its highest level (250,000) since 2004 when it peaked at 265,000, according to Office for National Statistics (ONS) data.
    Meanwhile, EU net migration stood at 64,000, slightly higher but broadly similar to the 57,000 recorded a year earlier.





    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/immigration-uk-non-eu-countries-115546036.html
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,946
    Are the EU now moving the goalposts?








  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,899
    lucy4 said:

    Are the EU now moving the goalposts?








    Boris is being completely disingenuous in his comments.

    Theresa May was offered a Canada type deal, but her Political Declaration planned to create a customs partnership, and remain closely aligned with the EU, allowing frictionless trade to continue, and the backstop that averted an Irish Sea Border.

    Boris had chosen a different path, and wishes to diverge completely. He has also threatened to rip up some of the terms that have been agreed, particularly in respect of the Northern Irish Protocol.

    We are on the doorstep of the EU, and close alignment would have ensured fair competition, where divergence does not.

    So it is Boris that has moved the goalposts.

    The have consistently maintained that the closer we remained aligned the better deal we could get.

    So Boris has set us up for a sh1t deal.
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