Thank you Phil for not considering or calling me " Idiot" don't like doing serious but ?
Surprised why people keep calling him "Racist" "Extremist" when everyone he asks to quote what he's said was Racist they can't do so. ! Activist yes, Muslim hater no. Tommy is just making the British Public aware whats going on in this country. Two news flashes today ......... Government getting tough on "Knife" crime, yes ....er .... no .... the suspect caught welding knife on video, let off........ grooming victim made pregnant by rapist told she must let father in jail see child. really! Everyone take a look around your Town today 40+ years of EU membership & rules where this Country is now. !
Can you elaborate on the bolded bit for me please.
I would safely say he means the same as your mate essexphil said " Regardless of the fact that his methods alienate many people, he has increased awareness re a particular type of paedophilia." . But you already knew that ..and didn't see you question phil over it .
Thank you Phil for not considering or calling me " Idiot" don't like doing serious but ?
Surprised why people keep calling him "Racist" "Extremist" when everyone he asks to quote what he's said was Racist they can't do so. ! Activist yes, Muslim hater no. Tommy is just making the British Public aware whats going on in this country. Two news flashes today ......... Government getting tough on "Knife" crime, yes ....er .... no .... the suspect caught welding knife on video, let off........ grooming victim made pregnant by rapist told she must let father in jail see child. really! Everyone take a look around your Town today 40+ years of EU membership & rules where this Country is now. !
Can you elaborate on the bolded bit for me please.
I would safely say he means the same as your mate essexphil said " Regardless of the fact that his methods alienate many people, he has increased awareness re a particular type of paedophilia." . But you already knew that ..and didn't see you question phil over it .
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What a depressing and sorry state of affairs this attack on the Syrian boy in Huddersfield is.
The family escaped a brutal regime in Syria in 2010, initially fled to Lebanon and then found a safe passage to England in 2016....only for the children to be bullied and assaulted in school over many months and many occasions.
What a depressing and sorry state of affairs this attack on the Syrian boy in Huddersfield is.
The family escaped a brutal regime in Syria in 2010, initially fled to Lebanon and then found a safe passage to England in 2016....only for the children to be bullied and assaulted in school over many months and many occasions.
What a depressing and sorry state of affairs this attack on the Syrian boy in Huddersfield is.
The family escaped a brutal regime in Syria in 2010, initially fled to Lebanon and then found a safe passage to England in 2016....only for the children to be bullied and assaulted in school over many months and many occasions.
Doesn't it make you proud to be English?
Whats that got to do with Tommy Robinson ?
Interesting that that is your first reaction to the post.
In theory it has nothing to do with TR, but the boy who did the assault is by all accounts a TR and Britain First fan. Which at 16 years old is pretty depressing (to me anyway, maybe not to you and Rainman types)
What a depressing and sorry state of affairs this attack on the Syrian boy in Huddersfield is.
The family escaped a brutal regime in Syria in 2010, initially fled to Lebanon and then found a safe passage to England in 2016....only for the children to be bullied and assaulted in school over many months and many occasions.
Doesn't it make you proud to be English?
Whats that got to do with Tommy Robinson ?
Interesting that that is your first reaction to the post.
In theory it has nothing to do with TR, but the boy who did the assault is by all accounts a TR and Britain First fan. Which at 16 years old is pretty depressing (to me anyway, maybe not to you and Rainman types)
Nothing sinister about it , You were banging on the other day , that this is a thread about Tommy Robinson , do you wish to bring other topics into the thread now ?
" by all accounts " .........what does that mean ? does that mean you have proof he is , or it's speculation ?
Also my reaction to the post is about on a par with the lack of empathy you have shown towards child rape and abuse cases on this thread ...so you are right , I shouldn't have lowered myself !
What a depressing and sorry state of affairs this attack on the Syrian boy in Huddersfield is.
The family escaped a brutal regime in Syria in 2010, initially fled to Lebanon and then found a safe passage to England in 2016....only for the children to be bullied and assaulted in school over many months and many occasions.
Doesn't it make you proud to be English?
Whats that got to do with Tommy Robinson ?
Interesting that that is your first reaction to the post.
In theory it has nothing to do with TR, but the boy who did the assault is by all accounts a TR and Britain First fan. Which at 16 years old is pretty depressing (to me anyway, maybe not to you and Rainman types)
Nothing sinister about it , You were banging on the other day , that this is a thread about Tommy Robinson , do you wish to bring other topics into the thread now ?
" by all accounts " .........what does that mean ? does that mean you have proof he is , or it's speculation ?
Also my reaction to the post is about on a par with the lack of empathy you have shown towards child rape and abuse cases on this thread ...so you are right , I shouldn't have lowered myself !
What a depressing and sorry state of affairs this attack on the Syrian boy in Huddersfield is.
The family escaped a brutal regime in Syria in 2010, initially fled to Lebanon and then found a safe passage to England in 2016....only for the children to be bullied and assaulted in school over many months and many occasions.
Doesn't it make you proud to be English?
Whats that got to do with Tommy Robinson ?
Interesting that that is your first reaction to the post.
In theory it has nothing to do with TR, but the boy who did the assault is by all accounts a TR and Britain First fan. Which at 16 years old is pretty depressing (to me anyway, maybe not to you and Rainman types)
Nothing sinister about it , You were banging on the other day , that this is a thread about Tommy Robinson , do you wish to bring other topics into the thread now ?
" by all accounts " .........what does that mean ? does that mean you have proof he is , or it's speculation ?
Also my reaction to the post is about on a par with the lack of empathy you have shown towards child rape and abuse cases on this thread ...so you are right , I shouldn't have lowered myself !
Ok horrible no one would disagree with that , certainly not me . However , people like that will always find a group to belong to and find a reason to behave like that . That doesn't mean the founders / other members of that group sanction the behaviour or agree with it . I'm an Arsenal fan , if another gooner was guilty of some crime , does that make me culpable because we support the same team ? Not the greatest example , I concede ..but I can't imagine Tommy Robinson or anyone else coming out in support of the thug.
What a depressing and sorry state of affairs this attack on the Syrian boy in Huddersfield is.
The family escaped a brutal regime in Syria in 2010, initially fled to Lebanon and then found a safe passage to England in 2016....only for the children to be bullied and assaulted in school over many months and many occasions.
Doesn't it make you proud to be English?
Whats that got to do with Tommy Robinson ?
Interesting that that is your first reaction to the post.
In theory it has nothing to do with TR, but the boy who did the assault is by all accounts a TR and Britain First fan. Which at 16 years old is pretty depressing (to me anyway, maybe not to you and Rainman types)
Nothing sinister about it , You were banging on the other day , that this is a thread about Tommy Robinson , do you wish to bring other topics into the thread now ?
" by all accounts " .........what does that mean ? does that mean you have proof he is , or it's speculation ?
Also my reaction to the post is about on a par with the lack of empathy you have shown towards child rape and abuse cases on this thread ...so you are right , I shouldn't have lowered myself !
Ok horrible no one would disagree with that , certainly not me . However , people like that will always find a group to belong to and find a reason to behave like that . That doesn't mean the founders / other members of that group sanction the behaviour or agree with it . I'm an Arsenal fan , if another gooner was guilty of some crime , does that make me culpable because we support the same team ? Not the greatest example , I concede ..but I can't imagine Tommy Robinson or anyone else coming out in support of the thug.
Yes a poor example and no course I wouldn't lump them all in together, that would be silly.
I do however think it's pretty telling the type of material he is supporting and sharing. Let's not kid ourselves, if he was a fan of Obama and sharing stuff from Hope Not Hate, it's highly unlikely he would be going around beating up Syrian kids.
With his family background, he probably didn't stand much of a chance; they certainly appear to be a bunch of low life racists. At 16 though, whilst he's young and impressionable, he's also more than old enough to know right from wrong.
Many people growing up are shaped by and become products of their environment (look how often TR references Luton). This kid has probably grown up around a lot of hate and bile, and that is reflected in his actions as he becomes an adult.
Sadly it can be a hard cycle to break if it 'runs in the family'.
Maybe TR, who isn't shy when it comes to live videos and posting across his social media platforms, will release something condemning the attack? He has no obligation to do so of course, but it might be wise. I won't hold my breath though.
What a depressing and sorry state of affairs this attack on the Syrian boy in Huddersfield is.
The family escaped a brutal regime in Syria in 2010, initially fled to Lebanon and then found a safe passage to England in 2016....only for the children to be bullied and assaulted in school over many months and many occasions.
Doesn't it make you proud to be English?
Whats that got to do with Tommy Robinson ?
Interesting that that is your first reaction to the post.
In theory it has nothing to do with TR, but the boy who did the assault is by all accounts a TR and Britain First fan. Which at 16 years old is pretty depressing (to me anyway, maybe not to you and Rainman types)
Nothing sinister about it , You were banging on the other day , that this is a thread about Tommy Robinson , do you wish to bring other topics into the thread now ?
" by all accounts " .........what does that mean ? does that mean you have proof he is , or it's speculation ?
Also my reaction to the post is about on a par with the lack of empathy you have shown towards child rape and abuse cases on this thread ...so you are right , I shouldn't have lowered myself !
Ok horrible no one would disagree with that , certainly not me . However , people like that will always find a group to belong to and find a reason to behave like that . That doesn't mean the founders / other members of that group sanction the behaviour or agree with it . I'm an Arsenal fan , if another gooner was guilty of some crime , does that make me culpable because we support the same team ? Not the greatest example , I concede ..but I can't imagine Tommy Robinson or anyone else coming out in support of the thug.
Yes a poor example and no course I wouldn't lump them all in together, that would be silly.
I do however think it's pretty telling the type of material he is supporting and sharing. Let's not kid ourselves, if he was a fan of Obama and sharing stuff from Hope Not Hate, it's highly unlikely he would be going around beating up Syrian kids.
With his family background, he probably didn't stand much of a chance; they certainly appear to be a bunch of low life racists. At 16 though, whilst he's young and impressionable, he's also more than old enough to know right from wrong.
Many people growing up are shaped by and become products of their environment (look how often TR references Luton). This kid has probably grown up around a lot of hate and bile, and that is reflected in his actions as he becomes an adult.
Sadly it can be a hard cycle to break if it 'runs in the family'.
Maybe TR, who isn't shy when it comes to live videos and posting across his social media platforms, will release something condemning the attack? He has no obligation to do so of course, but it might be wise. I won't hold my breath though.
Thanks for providing a considered view, Goldon. I would like to set out where I agree (and where I disagree) with your thoughts. It doesn't make my views right (or wrong)-I just want to set out a view without the finger-pointing.
"Ill-advised" in relation to the Court is the best possible interpretation. If this had been the first time he had done it I could understand it, but he had already received clear warnings from the Judge at the first of the linked trials.
I don't agree that he "paid the price for the media exposure", rather that this was a calculated act designed to provide the very media exposure he got. The main (in my view the ONLY) advantage he has over other alt right figures is his ability to garner media coverage.
Targeting Muslim extremists does not make him racist. I fear his actions give greater publicity (and recruits) to those fanatics, but that may (or may not) be a price worth paying. The problem that I have is that he does not just target Muslim extremists. He targets the Muslim faith and all its followers. I find that objectionable. That would be like targetting all Christians because of the acts of some of the weird Christian sects there are.
Many people agree with you about the "he got himself into the wrong crowd" argument. I just don't buy it. He didn't realise the BNP were racist when he joined-really? When he took various people from that organisation and formed the EDL, he didn't know that was going to be racist-really? Wouldn't the place the various followers came from and the name itself be a clue?
He does highlight the growing number of Mosques. What I have seen no evidence of is any increase in "preaching hate and violence". Again, he does not target a particular imam who may preach hate (and there may well be a few), he targets all Mosques.
"No saint". This is a man whose mission is to attack all members of a faith because of a small (disgusting) minority of paedophiles within it. He is proclaiming himself as some sort of protector of young white women against sexual violence via gangs. A man with former convictions for violence while a member of a football gang, GBH v members of his own gang when in the EDL, GBH v the police officer who was purportedly trying to stop Mr Robinson assaulting his own wife. Who has convictions for large-scale fraud. Who believes he knows more about how to try people than a Judge presiding over an actual trial who has already heard arguments from both sides' lawyers. Does anybody really think he is the right person to protect these people?
He has certainly been around a while. He has talent as a self-publicist. He has already outmanoeuvred 1 leader of the Right, Nick Griffin, and is now trying to sideline and demean Nigel Farage. I completely agree that he is "a force to be reckoned with", in large part to his wealthy backers, all of which seem to be non-English people who believe they have the right to tell us how to live.
People are listening to what he has to say. In increasing numbers. Frankly, he (like all extremists, be they religious, right or left) disgusts me. But he has (at the very least) a temporary appeal to people who feel left behind in this country.
Is this the same judge who released the nonces on bail, letting one nonce go on the run. Whilst locking TOMMY up for a so called contempt charge, within 5 hours.
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I'm sure Goldon can provide an answer.
All of his posts are still on the Forum. (I believe Posts disappear when a Member loses his chat rights though I'm not 100% sure on that).
You could check on Facebook I guess, he often mentioned he used Facebook. I don't use Facebook so can't check.
But if you continually call people sex offenders without a shred of evidence then I'd suggest that would catch up with you eventually.
Edit....clarified by Tikay ^
The family escaped a brutal regime in Syria in 2010, initially fled to Lebanon and then found a safe passage to England in 2016....only for the children to be bullied and assaulted in school over many months and many occasions.
Doesn't it make you proud to be English?
In theory it has nothing to do with TR, but the boy who did the assault is by all accounts a TR and Britain First fan. Which at 16 years old is pretty depressing (to me anyway, maybe not to you and Rainman types)
" by all accounts " .........what does that mean ? does that mean you have proof he is , or it's speculation ?
Also my reaction to the post is about on a par with the lack of empathy you have shown towards child rape and abuse cases on this thread ...so you are right , I shouldn't have lowered myself !
I do however think it's pretty telling the type of material he is supporting and sharing. Let's not kid ourselves, if he was a fan of Obama and sharing stuff from Hope Not Hate, it's highly unlikely he would be going around beating up Syrian kids.
With his family background, he probably didn't stand much of a chance; they certainly appear to be a bunch of low life racists. At 16 though, whilst he's young and impressionable, he's also more than old enough to know right from wrong.
Many people growing up are shaped by and become products of their environment (look how often TR references Luton). This kid has probably grown up around a lot of hate and bile, and that is reflected in his actions as he becomes an adult.
Sadly it can be a hard cycle to break if it 'runs in the family'.
Maybe TR, who isn't shy when it comes to live videos and posting across his social media platforms, will release something condemning the attack? He has no obligation to do so of course, but it might be wise. I won't hold my breath though.
You cannot silence the righteous.
You and Dobie have being doing such a good job, i am back now.
Thanks for providing a considered view, Goldon. I would like to set out where I agree (and where I disagree) with your thoughts. It doesn't make my views right (or wrong)-I just want to set out a view without the finger-pointing.
"Ill-advised" in relation to the Court is the best possible interpretation. If this had been the first time he had done it I could understand it, but he had already received clear warnings from the Judge at the first of the linked trials.
I don't agree that he "paid the price for the media exposure", rather that this was a calculated act designed to provide the very media exposure he got. The main (in my view the ONLY) advantage he has over other alt right figures is his ability to garner media coverage.
Targeting Muslim extremists does not make him racist. I fear his actions give greater publicity (and recruits) to those fanatics, but that may (or may not) be a price worth paying. The problem that I have is that he does not just target Muslim extremists. He targets the Muslim faith and all its followers. I find that objectionable. That would be like targetting all Christians because of the acts of some of the weird Christian sects there are.
Many people agree with you about the "he got himself into the wrong crowd" argument. I just don't buy it. He didn't realise the BNP were racist when he joined-really? When he took various people from that organisation and formed the EDL, he didn't know that was going to be racist-really? Wouldn't the place the various followers came from and the name itself be a clue?
He does highlight the growing number of Mosques. What I have seen no evidence of is any increase in "preaching hate and violence". Again, he does not target a particular imam who may preach hate (and there may well be a few), he targets all Mosques.
"No saint". This is a man whose mission is to attack all members of a faith because of a small (disgusting) minority of paedophiles within it. He is proclaiming himself as some sort of protector of young white women against sexual violence via gangs. A man with former convictions for violence while a member of a football gang, GBH v members of his own gang when in the EDL, GBH v the police officer who was purportedly trying to stop Mr Robinson assaulting his own wife. Who has convictions for large-scale fraud. Who believes he knows more about how to try people than a Judge presiding over an actual trial who has already heard arguments from both sides' lawyers. Does anybody really think he is the right person to protect these people?
He has certainly been around a while. He has talent as a self-publicist. He has already outmanoeuvred 1 leader of the Right, Nick Griffin, and is now trying to sideline and demean Nigel Farage. I completely agree that he is "a force to be reckoned with", in large part to his wealthy backers, all of which seem to be non-English people who believe they have the right to tell us how to live.
People are listening to what he has to say. In increasing numbers. Frankly, he (like all extremists, be they religious, right or left) disgusts me. But he has (at the very least) a temporary appeal to people who feel left behind in this country.
Is this the same judge who released the nonces on bail, letting one nonce go on the run.
Whilst locking TOMMY up for a so called contempt charge, within 5 hours.