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rspca12 vs FeelGroggy £1200 UKOPS Side Bet Rematch

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    madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,299
    3.05... no wonder you feelgroggy
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    rspca12rspca12 Member Posts: 618
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    rspca12rspca12 Member Posts: 618
    Day 1 ukops review
    Day 1 is done and dusted and was brick city. Not cashing one ukops event no one says this is gone be easy. Groggy is in lead with - 58.33 vs my very disappointing-189. And 0-0 on points race. We defo put volume in yesterday playing a total of 77 comps bewteen us.never got going I ft 2 11bh and a 22bh coming 3rd twice and a 4th. Also came 7th in the 55 QuickDraw losing a high equity pot Ajvskq aip. Need to turn these deep runs into wins if I going to beat the Groggy. Will let groggy tell u how day 1 went for him but he had semi deep run 110bh just busting before cash and a 11bh win.
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    K0BAYASHlK0BAYASHl Member Posts: 2,027
    rspca12 said:

    Day 1 ukops review
    Day 1 is done and dusted and was brick city. Not cashing one ukops event no one says this is gone be easy. Groggy is in lead with - 58.33 vs my very disappointing-189. And 0-0 on points race. We defo put volume in yesterday playing a total of 77 comps bewteen us.never got going I ft 2 11bh and a 22bh coming 3rd twice and a 4th. Also came 7th in the 55 QuickDraw losing a high equity pot Ajvskq aip. Need to turn these deep runs into wins if I going to beat the Groggy. Will let groggy tell u how day 1 went for him but he had semi deep run 110bh just busting before cash and a 11bh win.

    You not reading your own thread? :) groggy posted update this morning haha.

    Unlucky in your MTT, sure one of you will smash it tonight.
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    rspca12rspca12 Member Posts: 618
    edited October 2018


    Dam yeah ty mate whops ha ha
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    MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    Keep trying boys and I am sure you will manage to cash a ukops event!
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    rspca12rspca12 Member Posts: 618
    edited October 2018
    Though il drop a HH in was going to this is diary but il do it here instead for ukops. Situation is 110 bh early on no reads. v difficult to put him on a hand that we beat. And think its a fold rem its a bh so if i ko him i get 33 quid plus 17 goes on my head. flop was aj4 rainbow no fd

    Hand History #1327680180 (20:22 26/10/2018)
    Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance
    rspca12 Small blind 20.00 20.00 11465.00
    CrowGang Big blind 40.00 60.00 10725.00
    Your hole cards
    J
    A

    Jessieak Fold
    Fatpantz23 Raise 120.00 180.00 9365.00
    Carlos71 Fold
    rspca12 Call 100.00 280.00 11365.00
    CrowGang Call 80.00 360.00 10645.00
    Flop

    4
    A
    J

    rspca12 Check
    CrowGang Check
    Fatpantz23 Bet 400.00 760.00 8965.00
    rspca12 Raise 1400.00 2160.00 9965.00
    CrowGang Raise 3180.00 5340.00 7465.00
    Fatpantz23 Fold
    rspca12 All-in 9965.00 15305.00 0.00
    CrowGang All-in 7465.00 22770.00 0.00
    rspca12 Unmatched bet 720.00 22050.00 720.00
    rspca12 Show
    J
    A
    CrowGang Show
    x
    x
    Turn

    7

    River

    3




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    rspca12rspca12 Member Posts: 618
    MattBates said:

    Keep trying boys and I am sure you will manage to cash a ukops event!

    Ty bates your support seriously helps.
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    miniman88miniman88 Member Posts: 134
    rspca12 said:

    Though il drop a HH in was going to this is diary but il do it here instead for ukops. Situation is 110 bh early on no reads. v difficult to put him on a hand that we beat. And think its a fold rem its a bh so if i ko him i get 33 quid plus 17 goes on my head. flop was aj4 rainbow no fd

    Hand History #1327680180 (20:22 26/10/2018)
    Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance
    rspca12 Small blind 20.00 20.00 11465.00
    CrowGang Big blind 40.00 60.00 10725.00
    Your hole cards
    J
    A

    Jessieak Fold
    Fatpantz23 Raise 120.00 180.00 9365.00
    Carlos71 Fold
    rspca12 Call 100.00 280.00 11365.00
    CrowGang Call 80.00 360.00 10645.00
    Flop

    4
    A
    J

    rspca12 Check
    CrowGang Check
    Fatpantz23 Bet 400.00 760.00 8965.00
    rspca12 Raise 1400.00 2160.00 9965.00
    CrowGang Raise 3180.00 5340.00 7465.00
    Fatpantz23 Fold
    rspca12 All-in 9965.00 15305.00 0.00
    CrowGang All-in 7465.00 22770.00 0.00
    rspca12 Unmatched bet 720.00 22050.00 720.00
    rspca12 Show
    J
    A
    CrowGang Show
    x
    x
    Turn

    7

    River

    3




    The only two hands he can have there is 44 and a4 right? more combos of a4, if he's got a set, he's got a set haha.....maybe he'll pop up with jj if he's a rec
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    FeelGroggyFeelGroggy Member Posts: 824
    The fact I'm able to update so early is very bad news. Managed to min cash one event and bricked the rest. Perhaps suffered from too many table syndrome, as mixed in a healthy amount of spin ups on the side and played a bit too auto-piloty. Certainly played below average. I ran quite bad as well, did not manage to win many all ins across my events today. In the one i min-cashed i lost 6s full v quads. Might need to re-evaluate playing spins on the side. Sure Chris will be on tomorrow to present the ugly profit figure so far. Getting ptsd flashbacks of the last UKOPS where i dropped £2.5k. That certainly would not be ideal. Hopefully can turn it around tomorrow.
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    MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118

    The fact I'm able to update so early is very bad news. Managed to min cash one event and bricked the rest. Perhaps suffered from too many table syndrome, as mixed in a healthy amount of spin ups on the side and played a bit too auto-piloty. Certainly played below average. I ran quite bad as well, did not manage to win many all ins across my events today. In the one i min-cashed i lost 6s full v quads. Might need to re-evaluate playing spins on the side. Sure Chris will be on tomorrow to present the ugly profit figure so far. Getting ptsd flashbacks of the last UKOPS where i dropped £2.5k. That certainly would not be ideal. Hopefully can turn it around tomorrow.

    So proud of you that you managed to cash an event buddy! You should be proud!
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    FeelGroggyFeelGroggy Member Posts: 824
    edited October 2018
    Much better day today. Dropped the spin ups when the UKOPS grind become more intense. Started terribly bricking satellites left right and centre. Played 100% better than I did yesterday after I dropped the spin games. Got off to a storming start in the £220 and was chip leader for a while, but it all went wrong after losing a standard all in spot for a big pot, and then making a high variance play blind on blind where i limp jammed 9s for 34bb vs a 3x raise. Ran into AA, and we both flopped a set so either way I go broke but think calling and playing post might be the superior play with my edge.
    In the £110 I lost this hand for the chip lead:


    Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance
    FeelGroggy Small blind 1000.00 1000.00 90943.50
    Gambelo Big blind 2000.00 3000.00 52880.00
    Your hole cards
    9h
    10d

    JMcCririck Fold
    kevlar01 Fold
    lerky Fold
    FeelGroggy Raise 4000.00 7000.00 86943.50
    Gambelo Call 3000.00 10000.00 49880.00
    Flop

    7s
    Kh
    Jh

    FeelGroggy Bet 3850.00 13850.00 83093.50
    Gambelo Call 3850.00 17700.00 46030.00
    Turn

    Qd

    FeelGroggy Bet 9500.00 27200.00 73593.50
    Gambelo Call 9500.00 36700.00 36530.00
    River

    Js

    FeelGroggy All-in 73593.50 110293.50 0.00
    Gambelo All-in 36530.00 146823.50 0.00
    FeelGroggy Unmatched bet 37063.50 109760.00 37063.50
    FeelGroggy Show
    9
    10
    Gambelo Show
    Q
    J
    Gambelo Win Full House, Jacks and Queens 109760.00

    Pretty harsh because I think I get the lot on brick rivers.


    Just finished 3rd in Ukops £55 after being down to 700 chips. Would have been some turn around but not to be. Must have had a respectable profit across mtt's today but very disappointing given the position I was in. Is the way with MTT's gotta roll with the variance. Had a lot of interesting hands and spots but won't spam the forum with those, just the odd hand I think and daily update.
    In the lead going into Day 4, sure Chris will be along tomorrow to update. Hopefully one of us can get a big score.
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    K0BAYASHlK0BAYASHl Member Posts: 2,027

    Well played groggy. Better than last UKOPS so far..
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    FeelGroggyFeelGroggy Member Posts: 824
    Couple mincashes today. Never really felt up for it think the mid UKOPS fatigue setting in. Really nothing super interesting happened at the tables, apart from one hand, fairly deep in the £22 rebuy vs an unknown non reg. Pretty disgusting situation, feels like we shouldn't call down but at the same time isn't really a street it feels like we can fold apart from maybe river where our price is unreal: Thoughts would be appreciated. (No relevant fds)

    Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance
    FeelGroggy Small blind 1250.00 1250.00 92311.80
    Itsover4u Big blind 2500.00 3750.00 61370.00
    Your hole cards
    K
    J

    LnarinOO Fold
    DSgooner Fold
    MikeyW94 Fold
    LePonch Raise 5000.00 8750.00 116371.78
    FeelGroggy Raise (14k total) 21500.00 79561.80
    Itsover4u Fold
    LePonch Call 9000.00 30500.00 107371.78
    Flop

    2
    J
    2

    FeelGroggy Check
    LePonch Bet 15250.00 45750.00 92121.78
    FeelGroggy Call 15250.00 61000.00 64311.80
    Turn

    A

    FeelGroggy Check
    LePonch Bet 30500.00 91500.00 61621.78
    FeelGroggy Call 30500.00 122000.00 33811.80
    River

    2

    FeelGroggy Check
    LePonch All-in 61621.78 183621.78 0.00

    Chris is running stone dead this UKOPS, some of the hands he's been sending me are painful. Managed to extend the lead by 2 more points. Hopefully Chris can get some decent run good going and make it a more interesting competition.
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    LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    Do you have KJ suited or os?

    3 betting KJ, a lot of hands are going to call that dominate us -KQ, AJ, which can get us in trouble on some J/K high flops. It would be far better 3 betting a hand like 89suited or 10Jsuited where we can flop a lot more equity. So would fold the sb here, with this particular hand. Especially versus what you describe as an "unknown non reg" - he is going to over call 3 bets in position, especially versus the sizing you made it.


    On the flop, we have a very easy continuation bet with range. There's no point allowing him a free chance to hit a set with 33-1010 on the turn.

    Also if you bet flop you are using an appropriate size bet, as opposed to calling a half pot bet, when you would have wanted to bet smaller than this.

    After we check call a 1/2 pot bet on the flop and see the ace turn; we then check and face another 1/2 pot sized bet we can't continue in the hand and have to fold the turn.

    If you had bet 25% on the flop (if called), then checked this Ace turn we could call the turn, X decide on river.
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    kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,527
    If he is overcalling 3 bets you're betting off merging your 3 bet range so 3 betting KJ is going to be better than 89s. Particularly the smaller stacks become.

    Once we see the flop then check is absolutely right thing to do. We crush an unkown regs range here and checking flop is best way to get max value.

    Calling turn, because, well, not folding.

    I might even call river here... can't be too far wrong but it's thin spot and maybe keep those chips. Flip a coin.
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    FeelGroggyFeelGroggy Member Posts: 824
    Appreciate both of your thoughts on the hand. In the hand i had Kjo. He was a relative unknown but had been on my table for 4 or 5 orbits maybe. Based off a few hands I saw of him I felt like he was gonna be somewhat inelastic to size with hands he wanted to continue so went slightly smaller then I normally would, also thought he might over-continue.
    I actually think if there's a point we can get away from it its the turn. Think an ace might be too good for his random flop stabs vs a check, and think ace x gonna be over-represented in his preflop call range. He might not bet every ace he has that gets to turn- In his mind he could think I have AK so check his hands that don't beat that, hard to tell what thought process people are gonna use but if that's what he is thinking makes him more polar on the turn. I think the decision point here, as played, is probably on the turn, not the river. More thoughts are welcome.
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    TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    I think the key part of your post is 'unknown non-reg.'

    Pre quite happy 3betting KJo v the button open versus an unknown.

    Flop I can go either way, depends on the immediate dynamic we think we have over the very recent history while we've been at the table. Are we 3bet/cbet lots or being super aggro/are they raising a lot of cbets? If so easy continue. Have we been a little snug or passive since being at the table with them/have they bet tons when someone give up the lead? Easy check. Obviously we are dealing with tiny samples but immediate game flow is important, it generally takes people a bit to adjust to changes, especially an unknown.


    The turn is gross and confusing. A reg generally should not and do not bet their ace highs on that flop. But we are dealing with an 'unknown non-reg.' So we check OTF to let them bet Ax, worse Jx and everything else they might do when they perceive weakness. So to the turn, it's a card a reg should rarely hit but unknowns have this all of the time. To be optimal part of the trade off we need to do when we under rep here by checking the flop is dumping our hand on nut worst runouts. I think this is the worst turn in the world and here it quite possibly is a fold, so now we make our decision. We are either going call here and call on all rivers because we think they will just keep on bombing bluffs or we fold now. Call turn to fold unimproved (we have no draw) to a river bet with these sizings and that stack is massively spewy imo (not saying I have never done this in game because sadly yes of course I have, try not to imo).


    You need your plan OTT, so as you've called turn as played call river. However in game I would have given serious consideration to folding that turn.
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