It's a fascinating series & well worth a watch for anyone who hasn't seen it.
I hope Steven finally gets justice - his new lawyer Kathleen is excellent (if he'd had her from the beginning I have no doubt he'd have been found not guilty).
But I think there's too many people in power, who are involved, for it to ever happen. Soooo many police officers/detectives/judges would have to face prosecution.
What must be frustrating for everyone concerned is that the authorities are taking such a biased, ignorant view.
The same copper who took the phone call regarding the confession of the guy who had committed the crime Steven was first convicted of, and did nothing about it, resulting in him spending a further 6 years in jail, also took the report from the trucker saying that the Rav 4 was parked up the road, and not on the Avery property, but he also found the Rav 4 key on the 3rd search of Stevens bedroom. The key was just lying on the floor in plain sight. This occurred when he wasn't supposed to be on the property, and hadn't even signed in.
There was none of the victims dna, or blood anywhere in the house, on the handcuffs, shackles, car key, or in the garage, other than on the bullets.
There was a film found on the bullets, and the police had removed a chapstick amongst other sources of dna from the victims residence.
How did the wood get on the bullets?
I have watched lots of crime programmes on the telly. Some show crime scene photos, where after cutting someones throat or shooting them in the head, the blood goes everywhere. It is almost impossible to clean it all up. They even find blood after it has been painted over.
Yet we are expected to believe in this case that the victim was shackled to the bed, raped by both of them, stabbed in the stomach, had her throat cut, and shot twice in the head, all of which without leaving any dna or a single spot of blood.
Ken Kratz is a sick character. At the time all this was going on, he was stalking a number of female crime victims, addicted to pain medication, alcoholic, addicted to sex, and probably didn't know which end was up. He has a lot to answer for, and is an arrogant, opinionated, sick, tw4t.
The American justice system is a joke. Any evidence brought in after the event is just dismissed Kranz wants putting behind bars
Do you think our justice system is any better? Kranz should be locked up.
I can only guess but i bet people have been set up to fit a crime and when it's gone to the courts they've been sent down so yeah the British justice system can and will get it wrong Most of the time the police ,CPS,and the courts get it right as they do in America but this case in Minnesota is so unjust it's unbelievable that its happend I've never screamed at the telly so much
The American justice system is a joke. Any evidence brought in after the event is just dismissed Kranz wants putting behind bars
Do you think our justice system is any better? Kranz should be locked up.
I can only guess but i bet people have been set up to fit a crime and when it's gone to the courts they've been sent down so yeah the British justice system can and will get it wrong Most of the time the police ,CPS,and the courts get it right as they do in America but this case in Minnesota is so unjust it's unbelievable that its happend I've never screamed at the telly so much
I think that his lawyer has really opened my eyes to the abuses that are possible. I think that we as a society just think that if someones dna is found at a crime scene they are automatically guilty. If someone confesses they must have done it.
The police in this case focused only on the Avery family, and don't seemed to have looked at anyone else. Yet the ex boyfriend has questions to answer.
I don't think that the police have shown themselves to have been particularly clever in this, and have created many unanswered questions.
Why didn't they find the key somewhere else, other than just lying on the floor in plain sight on their 3rd search of his bedroom? They could have planted it somewhere more believable.
They found a massive deposit of his dna on the bonnet catch of the victims car. The bonnet catch appeared to have been cleaned, and the quantity of the dna deposit found was massive, and more in line with it being a swabbed dna sample, rather than just being touched while opening the bonnet, but why did he open the bonnet? What possible reason would he have to open the bonnet?
Her blood splatter on the back of the Rav 4 was more in line with her being murdered there. There was cast off on the back door, which would not have been there had she been murdered in the garage, and merely placed there in order to move the body Why was the Rav 4 used anyway? Why was her body put in it?
They are supposed to have shot her in the garage. The burn pit was just outside the garage. Why didn't they carry the body to the burn pit?
When she was spending hours getting raped and tortured, handcuffed to the bed, where was the Rav 4? Had they hidden it, or was it in full view, for everyone to see that she was still there?
If it was hidden, did they go and retrieve it after they had killed her to move her body the 5 yards from the garage to the burn pit? How else would her blood get into the vehicle?
How did the searchers find the Rav 4 so quickly? The site was 40 acres. At the time his brother said you could hardly fit any new cars on there, so it was choc a bloc, yet it took the woman who found it less than half an hour from walking onto the property.
How did the wood get on the bullets?
They found eight sets of fingerprints in the Rav 4, but none of Averys.
Blood flakes only occur when dried blood is scraped off a hard surface and moved elsewhere.
They only found bones in the burn barrel on the third search?
Why did they find nothing on the previous two?
The police said that he disposed of the body by putting it on a bonfire in the burn pit, yet the bones showed that it had been dismembered.
Why didn't they let the Coroner attend any of the three sites, where bones were found?
Why didn't they take any photos of the bones finds?
Why did the scent dogs all lead them off the Avery property?
I would hope that if I was a copper, intent on framing someone for a crime. that I would have done a much better job.
Oh wow. JUST WOW. So, let me just get this straight. They were aware that her last stop was Zipperers? & they never thought to make him a suspect? & then continue to say that her last stop was Avery's... when they have clearly stated that... IT WASN'T. Oh god. This case makes me angrier & angrier. To think these people are educated in this field worries the **** out of me.
Sarah Smith 2 weeks ago How 100% fact is it that this Zipperer WAS Theresa's final stop and that she did leave the Avery property? Surely if this Zipperer was the last contact and an initial suspect, the documentary & defence would have shown this during the trial? It pokes MASSIVE holes in the timeline for a start, which the prosecution to my knowledge base it all from Brendans absolute **** 'confession
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I hope Steven finally gets justice - his new lawyer Kathleen is excellent (if he'd had her from the beginning I have no doubt he'd have been found not guilty).
But I think there's too many people in power, who are involved, for it to ever happen. Soooo many police officers/detectives/judges would have to face prosecution.
Ken Kratz makes my skin crawl...
The same copper who took the phone call regarding the confession of the guy who had committed the crime Steven was first convicted of, and did nothing about it, resulting in him spending a further 6 years in jail, also took the report from the trucker saying that the Rav 4 was parked up the road, and not on the Avery property, but he also found the Rav 4 key on the 3rd search of Stevens bedroom. The key was just lying on the floor in plain sight. This occurred when he wasn't supposed to be on the property, and hadn't even signed in.
There was none of the victims dna, or blood anywhere in the house, on the handcuffs, shackles, car key, or in the garage, other than on the bullets.
There was a film found on the bullets, and the police had removed a chapstick amongst other sources of dna from the victims residence.
How did the wood get on the bullets?
I have watched lots of crime programmes on the telly. Some show crime scene photos, where after cutting someones throat or shooting them in the head, the blood goes everywhere. It is almost impossible to clean it all up. They even find blood after it has been painted over.
Yet we are expected to believe in this case that the victim was shackled to the bed, raped by both of them, stabbed in the stomach, had her throat cut, and shot twice in the head, all of which without leaving any dna or a single spot of blood.
Ken Kratz is a sick character. At the time all this was going on, he was stalking a number of female crime victims, addicted to pain medication, alcoholic, addicted to sex, and probably didn't know which end was up.
He has a lot to answer for, and is an arrogant, opinionated, sick, tw4t.
Any evidence brought in after the event is just dismissed
Kranz wants putting behind bars
Kranz should be locked up.
Most of the time the police ,CPS,and the courts get it right as they do in America but this case in Minnesota is so unjust it's unbelievable that its happend
I've never screamed at the telly so much
I think that his lawyer has really opened my eyes to the abuses that are possible.
I think that we as a society just think that if someones dna is found at a crime scene they are automatically guilty.
If someone confesses they must have done it.
The police in this case focused only on the Avery family, and don't seemed to have looked at anyone else. Yet the ex boyfriend has questions to answer.
I don't think that the police have shown themselves to have been particularly clever in this, and have created many unanswered questions.
Why didn't they find the key somewhere else, other than just lying on the floor in plain sight on their 3rd search of his bedroom? They could have planted it somewhere more believable.
They found a massive deposit of his dna on the bonnet catch of the victims car. The bonnet catch appeared to have been cleaned, and the quantity of the dna deposit found was massive, and more in line with it being a swabbed dna sample, rather than just being touched while opening the bonnet, but why did he open the bonnet?
What possible reason would he have to open the bonnet?
Her blood splatter on the back of the Rav 4 was more in line with her being murdered there. There was cast off on the back door, which would not have been there had she been murdered in the garage, and merely placed there in order to move the body
Why was the Rav 4 used anyway?
Why was her body put in it?
They are supposed to have shot her in the garage.
The burn pit was just outside the garage.
Why didn't they carry the body to the burn pit?
When she was spending hours getting raped and tortured, handcuffed to the bed, where was the Rav 4?
Had they hidden it, or was it in full view, for everyone to see that she was still there?
If it was hidden, did they go and retrieve it after they had killed her to move her body the 5 yards from the garage to the burn pit?
How else would her blood get into the vehicle?
How did the searchers find the Rav 4 so quickly?
The site was 40 acres.
At the time his brother said you could hardly fit any new cars on there, so it was choc a bloc, yet it took the woman who found it less than half an hour from walking onto the property.
How did the wood get on the bullets?
They found eight sets of fingerprints in the Rav 4, but none of Averys.
Blood flakes only occur when dried blood is scraped off a hard surface and moved elsewhere.
They only found bones in the burn barrel on the third search?
Why did they find nothing on the previous two?
The police said that he disposed of the body by putting it on a bonfire in the burn pit, yet the bones showed that it had been dismembered.
Why didn't they let the Coroner attend any of the three sites, where bones were found?
Why didn't they take any photos of the bones finds?
Why did the scent dogs all lead them off the Avery property?
I would hope that if I was a copper, intent on framing someone for a crime. that I would have done a much better job.
Ken Kratz Press Conference - Extra Sweaty Edition
Alexandra Darby
Oh wow. JUST WOW. So, let me just get this straight. They were aware that her last stop was Zipperers? & they never thought to make him a suspect? & then continue to say that her last stop was Avery's... when they have clearly stated that... IT WASN'T. Oh god. This case makes me angrier & angrier. To think these people are educated in this field worries the **** out of me.
Sarah Smith
2 weeks ago
How 100% fact is it that this Zipperer WAS Theresa's final stop and that she did leave the Avery property? Surely if this Zipperer was the last contact and an initial suspect, the documentary & defence would have shown this during the trial? It pokes MASSIVE holes in the timeline for a start, which the prosecution to my knowledge base it all from Brendans absolute **** 'confession