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The oioi thread. Does Toby Lewis like Australia?
Tikay10
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Thought we'd try & run a thread to give congrats to those we know who have accomplished something decent, poker or real life, here or elsewhere.
We'll, try it for a week & if it works, great, if not, we'll bin it.
So if you know anyone who has achieved something worthwhile recently, post it on here please.
We'll, try it for a week & if it works, great, if not, we'll bin it.
So if you know anyone who has achieved something worthwhile recently, post it on here please.
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Let's get started with double congratulations to @rspca12
At the weekend, he won the DTD Deepstack in Nottingham. £300 to enter, 139 runners, & Chris topped the lot, taking home a very handy £13,759.
Congrats also go to Chris for his new wig. Most impressive.
He reminds me a bit of Baloo.
Congrats also go to @Card4Life.
On Sunday he was 3rd in the Sunday Major, & won the Mini Major, collecting over £2,000 in the process, then he collected a bonus of £1,500 for the Sky Poker Final Table Jackpot, so the fat end of £4,000 in total.
That was, as far as (I can see from Sharky, easily his best night on Sky Poker.
He also now has a shiny spinning gold star on Sharky for "5th most profitable MTT-er on Sky Poker 2019".
Well done @Card4Life.
Today we look at a hand from the PokerStars PSPC.
Can you fold A-Q here?
Should you fold A-Q here?
Ignoring the outcome, (results orientated thinking does not help) good fold or bad fold?
From Charlie Carrell on twitter
"If it's such a disgusting fold, tell me what his bluff combinations are. Then take a guess how often he is going to try and bluff her when she AQ or a flush super often.
It's a sick fold. Made sick precisely because almost nobody is capable of it."
In theory it is definitely a bad fold because she has the best hand she can ever have in this spot and in poker you shouldn't fold the best hand you can ever have unless you have a ridiculously good reason to do so. At the same time it is probably a spot where most people are going to under-bluff massively or even never bluff vs her bet because she doesn't have any natural bluffs and she is a presumed recreational so she might make some calls that should be folds with a straight for example (although it massively depends on the recreational in question).
The way her range is going to be constructed on the turn means her most likely bluffs that flat button that aren't value bets by the turn are hands like AT/AJ or a hand like 78 suited that has a flush draw. Most her bluffs on the turn are either rivering a flush or an ace so when she bets river she always has a value bet.
As the man in this spot, bluff shoving into a range that is almost 100% a value bet is not going to feel great, especially vs recreationals who are more likely to make calling mistakes. He probably assumes KQ and AQ are in her range at a 100% frequency (i.e she never plays them as a 3bet preflop) and he certainly does not think she is going to fold them, He may not even expect her to laydown a flush. He SHOULD be moving all in as a bluff shove sometimes in theory as he has the nut advantage here- he would get to the river with AA and AQ as played every time he gets dealt them, maybe even KK. AQ always moves in because he must believe he cannot ever be beaten. So he should use some bluffs as well or she can correctly fold every hand after betting. No bluffs seem amazingly good candidates for him to bluff and he might not bluff as a way of trying to exploit her calling too much to the jam. It's really hard to pick out a hand he can have which works really nice as a bluff. Folding this hand after betting cannot be justified from a theory point of view, and her strategy of betting river too much and folding every time is clearly terrible but in this exact situation probably isn't as bad as it should be.
Edit: I'm an idiot and forgot she was in position.
I was pretty impressed with how quickly she made her decision. Very little by way of theatricals, just a quick think & a sigh.
Most of us surely dwell a lot longer there. And I guess most of us call, too.
What do you think of how the fella played his Aces?
When the Q paired on the turn & she came out betting all of a sudden, he could not be loving life, could he?
Next time I post one of these, shall I explain what "3 bet" means?
Her fold was amazing, more amazing as she made it soooo quickly.
Also @FeelGroggy I know you said you felt he played it perfectly but surely he has to lead out on that flop? KQ9 with a flush draw? Pretty sure if I check it I get outdrawn by either the flush, straight or a turned 2 pair, although I guess I get outdrawn if I bet too so I see your logic. In fact if I have AA here I know **** well the one out river isn't ever turning up and I lose to the AQ runner, runner Q's.
Always easy to see reasons to make the fold with hindsight. I know I call all day long there and wander off thinking how unlucky I was.
BTW surely she isn't a rec? Can't see a rec folding AND showing there. More likely she was his girlfriend and he signalled to her what he had! (That last bit's a joke btw).
1) She miss-read her hand/board?
2) She was actually 'calling' when flipping her cards over but didnt announce it?
No logos on her I can see, so probably just a rec. BTW, a great tournament that turned out to be. Loads of recs mixing with the pros/celebs. How poker should be IMO.
She most definitely intended to fold imo.
Yes, seems to have been a spectacular success by the sounds of it, Twitter is full of positive comments about it, & that's very rare for Twitter these days.
GREAT RESULT Chris..... well done mate.
You can't cut your hair until you lose a live tourney ..... it will be unlucky.
Hope to see you in Manchester SHAGGY.... or will it be YETI by then