This post is a level right ? ...If you make your money at poker , then you have to play against people who are not as good as you to get an edge . Assuming that is what most pros are after doing , and you then accept that most of the recs who pros want to play against against aren't actually that bothered about rake ( they just like playing) , then the whole subject is nonsense . So working on that basis , and appreciating that a site is perceived as " soft " and the rewards for volume play are good then apart from the fact that poker players like to moan , what exactly is the issue ?
3 out of 3, and I picked the ones I thought most likely to be in profit. I was trying to find out if the games are even beatable by the best players on the site.
One was in overall profit, but not over their last 5k games, which is why I mentioned that and not lifetime +/-
You don't think sky should lower rake at all then dobie? you seem to be defending them
This post is a level right ? ...If you make your money at poker , then you have to play against people who are not as good as you to get an edge . Assuming that is what most pros are after doing , and you then accept that most of the recs who pros want to play against against aren't actually that bothered about rake ( they just like playing) , then the whole subject is nonsense . So working on that basis , and appreciating that a site is perceived as " soft " and the rewards for volume play are good then apart from the fact that poker players like to moan , what exactly isd the issue ?
No. There needs to be a delicate balance between the Regs and Recs, as well as poker sites (like everything else in the world) being competitively priced in its marketplace.
Recs need to get value for their money. And if rake is too high many go elsewhere. Recs are gold dust in the poker world. And pros need to be able to make sufficient profit, or they don't bother. And no poker site survives unless it caters sufficiently for both groups.
I really don't want to argue , but I| find it bizarre that a reg , who makes money out of recs , would argue about the level of rake , when recs really arent that bothered about it . And the proof of that statement is in the game play , if recs didnt want to play cos of the rake they would simply go elsewhere . ...as far as dyms are concerened ...1 , 2 , 5 , 11 games seem to play pretty regularly on here ( try playing ipoker if you dont believe me ) ...if you want to play anything higher , then how are you going to get the recs playing them anyway ?
This post is a level right ? ...If you make your money at poker , then you have to play against people who are not as good as you to get an edge . Assuming that is what most pros are after doing , and you then accept that most of the recs who pros want to play against against aren't actually that bothered about rake ( they just like playing) , then the whole subject is nonsense . So working on that basis , and appreciating that a site is perceived as " soft " and the rewards for volume play are good then apart from the fact that poker players like to moan , what exactly is the issue ?
I don't accept that most recs aren't bothered about rake, I think they simply aren't aware they are getting ripped off. It also makes the games unbeatable, which isn't good for anyone...
This post is a level right ? ...If you make your money at poker , then you have to play against people who are not as good as you to get an edge . Assuming that is what most pros are after doing , and you then accept that most of the recs who pros want to play against against aren't actually that bothered about rake ( they just like playing) , then the whole subject is nonsense . So working on that basis , and appreciating that a site is perceived as " soft " and the rewards for volume play are good then apart from the fact that poker players like to moan , what exactly is the issue ?
I don't accept that most recs aren't bothered about rake, I think they simply aren't aware they are getting ripped off. It also makes the games unbeatable, which isn't good for anyone...
So you are effectively saying that recs exclusively play one site and wont be aware of rake on other sites ?
This post is a level right ? ...If you make your money at poker , then you have to play against people who are not as good as you to get an edge . Assuming that is what most pros are after doing , and you then accept that most of the recs who pros want to play against against aren't actually that bothered about rake ( they just like playing) , then the whole subject is nonsense . So working on that basis , and appreciating that a site is perceived as " soft " and the rewards for volume play are good then apart from the fact that poker players like to moan , what exactly isd the issue ?
No. There needs to be a delicate balance between the Regs and Recs, as well as poker sites (like everything else in the world) being competitively priced in its marketplace.
Recs need to get value for their money. And if rake is too high many go elsewhere. Recs are gold dust in the poker world. And pros need to be able to make sufficient profit, or they don't bother. And no poker site survives unless it caters sufficiently for both groups.
Well if the balance wasn't right , the site would have folded , right? Like to see the regularly dym ers come on and give their take ...you know vlallia , timmyrara etc i.e the people who are prepared to pay the rake and still make money
No, Im saying they don't think about the ev of a game before they play it. They play somewhere out of habit, where their mates play, because of the community, where the games run etc.
If they did (think about ev) turbo DYMs and a lot of other games would simply not run on sky.
Sky takes advantage of this by charging them a lot more than anyone else in the industry.
...So I understand that you don't care about rake. I would be interested to know other recreational players views...
This post is a level right ? ...If you make your money at poker , then you have to play against people who are not as good as you to get an edge . Assuming that is what most pros are after doing , and you then accept that most of the recs who pros want to play against against aren't actually that bothered about rake ( they just like playing) , then the whole subject is nonsense . So working on that basis , and appreciating that a site is perceived as " soft " and the rewards for volume play are good then apart from the fact that poker players like to moan , what exactly isd the issue ?
No. There needs to be a delicate balance between the Regs and Recs, as well as poker sites (like everything else in the world) being competitively priced in its marketplace.
Recs need to get value for their money. And if rake is too high many go elsewhere. Recs are gold dust in the poker world. And pros need to be able to make sufficient profit, or they don't bother. And no poker site survives unless it caters sufficiently for both groups.
No, Im saying they don't think about the ev of a game before they play it. They play somewhere out of habit, where their mates play, because of the community, where the games run etc.
If they did (think about ev) turbo DYMs and a lot of other games would simply not run on sky.
Sky takes advantage of this by charging them a lot more than anyone else in the industry.
...So I understand that you don't care about rake. I would be interested to know other recreational players views...
Absolutely and as I already mentioned also winning regs as well for balance
I'm also interested to know Chicknmelt whats your ultimate reason for the post ...is it because you are concerned that the rake will kill off the recs or the rake hits the profit margins of a marginally successfull player ?
But I have been fortunate enough to make a lot of money playing poker because I am very good at game selection. I keep detailed records of how and where I make profit.
I can make money on Sky. But I cannot on TDYMs. I play them from time to time, but not to make money from them. I cannot beat the rake.
But I have been fortunate enough to make a lot of money playing poker because I am very good at game selection. I keep detailed records of how and where I make profit.
I can make money on Sky. But I cannot on TDYMs. I play them from time to time, but not to make money from them. I cannot beat the rake.
I cant be arsed , but prob scope vlallia ...i gen dont know if hes up or down ...however it doesnt stop him volume playing them , as well as other usual suspects ...none of them complaining about the rake
I'm also interested to know Chicknmelt whats your ultimate reason for the post ...is it because you are concerned that the rake will kill off the recs or the rake hits the profit margins of a marginally successfull player ?
The ultimate reason for my post is because I feel a bit cheated by sky. I feel like they should offer games for a similar price to their competitors.
I also thik the games that have too high rake will slowly die
I don't actually play turbo dyms very often btw, so it doesn't really effect me.
although, I might play them if rake was less! Same for spins cash
This post is a level right ? ...If you make your money at poker , then you have to play against people who are not as good as you to get an edge . Assuming that is what most pros are after doing , and you then accept that most of the recs who pros want to play against against aren't actually that bothered about rake ( they just like playing) , then the whole subject is nonsense . So working on that basis , and appreciating that a site is perceived as " soft " and the rewards for volume play are good then apart from the fact that poker players like to moan , what exactly isd the issue ?
No. There needs to be a delicate balance between the Regs and Recs, as well as poker sites (like everything else in the world) being competitively priced in its marketplace.
Recs need to get value for their money. And if rake is too high many go elsewhere. Recs are gold dust in the poker world. And pros need to be able to make sufficient profit, or they don't bother. And no poker site survives unless it caters sufficiently for both groups.
Well if the balance wasn't right , the site would have folded , right? Like to see the regularly dym ers come on and give their take ...you know vlallia , timmyrara etc i.e the people who are prepared to pay the rake and still make money
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surely that is a cause for concern/ warning sign that the games will die.
games used to be softer, and profits used to be made pre rakeback….but not anymore.
how long do you expect these players to keep playing? and what do you think happens if there are no regs left?
One was in overall profit, but not over their last 5k games, which is why I mentioned that and not lifetime +/-
You don't think sky should lower rake at all then dobie? you seem to be defending them
Recs need to get value for their money. And if rake is too high many go elsewhere. Recs are gold dust in the poker world. And pros need to be able to make sufficient profit, or they don't bother. And no poker site survives unless it caters sufficiently for both groups.
Like to see the regularly dym ers come on and give their take ...you know vlallia , timmyrara etc i.e the people who are prepared to pay the rake and still make money
If they did (think about ev) turbo DYMs and a lot of other games would simply not run on sky.
Sky takes advantage of this by charging them a lot more than anyone else in the industry.
...So I understand that you don't care about rake. I would be interested to know other recreational players views...
Nail hit on head
But I have been fortunate enough to make a lot of money playing poker because I am very good at game selection. I keep detailed records of how and where I make profit.
I can make money on Sky. But I cannot on TDYMs. I play them from time to time, but not to make money from them. I cannot beat the rake.
Dobie Negreanu, 27th February 2019
I also thik the games that have too high rake will slowly die
I don't actually play turbo dyms very often btw, so it doesn't really effect me.
although, I might play them if rake was less! Same for spins cash
not from £11+ turbo dyms.