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Top 40 Boxers?

HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,047
edited March 2019 in The Rail
Muhammad Ali Is Number One, Who Are The Other Greatest Boxers Of All-Time?

Muhammad Ali – 56 Wins, 5 Losses
Who else floated like a butterfly and stung like a bee? Who else called themselves the greatest before they knew they were? Muhammad Ali was and still is the first to secure the world heavyweight title three times. Before he even went pro, he won gold at the 1960 Olympics. Ali stunned the world when he defeated the “invincible” Sonny Liston in round seven.



Thanks to all the political drama Ali was apart of, like refusing to enter the draft for the military and changing his name, it only made Ali more of a legend. The man was gifted with a ton of natural ability and he used every last ounce of it. He only lost when he wasn’t at his peak towards the end of his career.


Ruben Olivares – 89 Wins, 13 Losses
At one point, there was a stretch when Ruben Olivares had been the greatest boxer coming from Mexico. Many believe he is still one of the best bantamweights in history. Can you blame them? He did have 79 knockouts.



If 79 of your 89 victories came by knocking out the opponent, that says a lot about your skill. Some of his notable wins come from ?Bobby Chacon and Jose Luis Ramirez. Olivares is a national celebrity.

Sugar Ray Robinson – 173 Wins, 19 Losses
There was no other quite like Sugar Ray Robinson when he was in his prime. Robinson would outlast his foes and became an unrivaled boxer. Many applaud him as the clear-cut pound-for-pounder in boxing history.



He wasn’t just a good brawler, he was extraordinary. His versatility helped him outclass his opponents in the welterweight, lightweight, middleweight, and light-heavyweight divisions. If it weren’t for the next person on this list, Robinson could have easily been number one overall…


Sandy Saddler – 144 Wins, 16 Losses
Whenever you win three out of four bouts with Willie Pep, you can bet that you’re a stud in the ring. Sandy Saddler was feared and for good reason. He was a two-time featherweight champion and super featherweight champion.



Did we mention he had over 100 knockouts? He is one of the only fighters in history to do that. He will go down as one of the most devastating punchers to ever put on the gloves.


Joe Louis – 66 Wins, 3 Losses
When we say Joe Louis was virtually unstoppable in the ring, we mean that. After he obtained the heavyweight title from James J. Braddock in 1937, he successfully went on to defend the title 26 times.



And what was more amazing about Louis is the fact that he became somewhat of a domestic hero as an African American. He beat down German fighter Max Schmeling in 124 seconds to become a historical figure in boxing. Ronald Reagan posthumously awarded him a Congressional Gold Medal in 1982.


Tommy Hearns – 61 Wins, 5 Loss
How many great boxers have we discovered on this list that have won six titles in five different weight classes? Go ahead and add Tommy Hearns to that exclusive list. Tommy “Hitman” Hearns held the distinction of being the first person to win four world titles in four divisions.



Some of his most famous fights include going up against Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, and Marvin Hagler. During his time, boxing was full of talent, so it says a lot that he was able to hold his own.


Sugar Ray Leonard – 36 Wins, 3 Losses
How’s this as a segway to your professional career? Sugar Ray Leonard won a gold medal at the 1976 Olympics in Montreal before debuting as professional in 1977. Often overlooked due to his boyish appearance, he was not to be messed with.



When it was all said and done, Leonard won five world titles in five different weight classes. Leonard was also named the Boxer of the Decade for the ’80s and was the first fighter to earn more than $100 million in purses.


Carlos Monzon – 87 Wins, 3 Losses
If it weren’t for the troubling lifestyle Carlos Monzon led outside of the ring, he could have become more embedded into people’s minds as an all-time great. Monzon’s in ring accomplishments include becoming the middleweight champion and defending it 14 times.



Outside of the ring, he is mostly known for his conviction in 1989 for murder. He was an absolute beast inside the ropes, holding victories over the likes of Emile Griffith and Jose Napoles.


Ted Lewis – 192 Wins, 32 Losses
From 1909-1929, Ted “Kid” Lewis put on quite the display of boxing. Judging by his record, he didn’t get any type of real rest while he was pummeling people on his way to welterweight championships.



That’s a title he won very often, but one he would lose to a particular opponent. Lewis is perhaps best known for his 20-fight series between Jack Britton. The two traded the belt back and forth. Lewis went 3-4-1 with 12 no decisions in those contests.


Rocky Marciano 49 Wins – 0 Losses
There’s really no better ending to a boxing career than how Rocky Marciano went out. Marciano retired as the undefeated heavyweight champion of the world with 43 knockouts apart of his 49 wins. The International Boxing Research Organization ranked him as the fifth greatest heavyweight ever.



“The Brockton Blockbuster” had insane firepower in both of his fists. He still has the record for longest unbeaten streak by a heavyweight as well. If you wanted to pick the perfect fighter, it was Marciano.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,047
    edited March 2019
    There are some more that couldn't be fitted in, on the link below, including a few that fought well over 200 times.

    http://www.bleacherbreaker.com/sports/muhammad-ali-is-number-one-who-are-the-other-greatest-boxers-of-all-time/31/

    here is a taste.

    Floyd Mayweather – 50 Wins, 0 Losses
    As far as defensive fighters go, Floyd Mayweather is one of the best. No matter who he has been in the ring with, Mayweather is always the quicker and smarter fighter. He’s as great a boxer as he is a polarizing figure. There’s a reason why he’s undefeated and a five-division titleholder.



    With a nickname like Floyd “Money” Mayweather or “Pretty Boy Floyd,” one can understand why he’s either very much liked or disliked. He isn’t timid at all and speaks his mind on how much better he is than everyone. His statistics certainly back up his talk.


    Roberto Duran – 103 Wins, 16 Losses
    Roberto Duran earned the nickname of “Manos de Piedra” which translate to Hands of Stone thanks to his tremendous punching power. Hailing from Panama, Duran was an incredible brawler with the perfect set of skills that helped him slip punches easily.



    Hands of Stone was a four-weight world champion whose signature victory was against Sugar Ray Leonard for the welterweight title. Duran outmaneuvered Leonard and handed him his first professional loss after a 15-round unanimous decision.


    Harry Greb – 261 Wins, 17 Losses
    Harry Greb came up in an era plagued by racism, but he refused to turn down any challenge. His agility and durability were off the charts. Greb lacked power, so to compensate, he had to employ an aggressive style.



    He would continuously trap his opponents in the ropes. Greb has a total of 298 documented matches, but he ended up retiring after his loss to Tiger Flowers in 1926. “The Pittsburgh Windmill” was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1990.


    Roy Jones Jr. – 66 Wins, 9 Losses
    Roy Jones Jr. was one of the greatest fighters boxing has ever had the pleasure of witnessing. In his prime, he was a superstar who had little competition. The BWAA named him their 1990s “Fighter of the Decade.”



    Jones’ greatest professional achievement had to be when he defeated John Ruiz unanimously to become the first middleweight to clinch a heavyweight title in more than 100 years. His record is a little misleading because he continued to fight until he was 49-years-old.


    Marvin Hagler – 62 Wins, 3 Losses
    We’ll kick things off with one of the best middleweights of all-time. Marvin Hagler was the world middleweight champion for six and a half years. That’s the second-longest reign in that division’s history. During that reign, he made title defenses against other fighters you’ll see later on this list.



    What was so special about Hagler is that he had one of the best chins in the sport’s history. After his heart-breaking loss to Sugar Ray Leonard that was a disputed majority decision, Hagler retired and never came back.


    Julio Cesar Chavez – 107 Wins, 6 Losses
    Julio Cesar Chavez was an impressive boxer. He went on a streak of 87 consecutive wins to start his career- a remarkable feat. The record was blemished after a controversial draw with Pernell Whitaker in 1993.



    Four months after that draw, the legend from Mexico lost a split decision to Frankie Randall, and it seemed like Chavez was human after all. As you see by the record, he still was a bad man in the ring and became a Hall of Famer in 2011.


    Bernard Hopkins – 55 Wins, 8 Losses
    Bernard Hopkins didn’t learn to box traditionally. He was taught at Graterford Prison while serving an 18-year sentence. Upon his release in 1988, Hopkins debuted and soon became one of history’s best pound-for-pound boxers.



    Hopkins earned the nickname “The Alien” as he used great fundamentals to topple some of the best fighters in the world like Oscar De La Hoya and Winky Wright. Hopkins also had another remarkable accomplishment of defending his middleweight belt for a record 20 consecutive times.

    Manny Pacquiao – 60 Wins, 7 Losses
    The Filipino boxer, Manny Pacquiao seemingly does it all. Not only is he one of the best fighters to step in the ring, but he also has a seat in Congress for his country. Many consider him the greatest Asian boxer ever. Pacquiao is an 11-time world champion and the only one to hold eight-division world championships in history.



    He is a southpaw boxer with quick hand speed, punching power and amazing stamina combined with footwork. ESPN had Pacquiao ranked at number two for their 2016 list of best pound-for-pound fighters in the last 25 years.


    Joe Frazier – 32 Wins, 4 Losses
    You know he’s a great boxer when only Muhammad Ali and George Foreman are the ones to hand you defeat. Joe Frazier had two losses from Foreman and Ali but would terrorize his other opponents, handing out 27 knockouts. Frazier was also a gold medalist at the 1964 Olympics.



    Pugilists were very cautious of Frazier’s left hook because it could have very well left you unconscious. He earned the nickname “Smokin’ Joe” and landed in the World Boxing Hall of Fame and the International Boxing Hall of Fame.

    George Foreman – 76 Wins, 5 Losses
    George Foreman had one of the most distinguished careers in boxing. During the period of time when Ali was exiled from the ring, Foreman destroyed Joe Frazier in two rounds to gain lineal heavyweight titles. After losing to Ali and then getting outscored by Jimmy Young, Foreman quit and practically vanished.



    Around a decade later, Foreman returned with added weight and won 24 straight fights. He put the cherry on top of his return after defeating Michael Moore in 10 rounds to regain the heavyweight title.


  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    edited March 2019
    Thought being Welsh , you might have put Joe Calzaghe on the list.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,047
    last lot.

    Lennox Lewis – 41 Wins, 2 Losses
    Lennox Lewis has a dual British and Canadian citizenship and is an Olympic gold medalist representing Canada. Lewis is also a three-time world heavyweight champion. The 6’5″ boxer tormented his opponents with his severe right cross and dwarfed his opponents.



    The two defeats he sustained came at the hands of Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman. The sad part about those losses is that they were both knockouts and with the title on the line. He did a rematch with both and reclaimed his titles.


    Andre Ward – 32 Wins, 0 Losses
    Andre Ward is one of the newest fighters that we have featured on this list. Ward has won eight world titles in super middleweight and light heavyweight classes. Ward also captured a gold medal at the 2004 Olympics.



    When Ward moved up a weight class, he took on Sergey Kovalev and took home the light heavyweight title. He had an underrated left hook, but it’s what helped him sustain an undefeated record. When he retired in 2017, he shocked the boxing community as he went out as the number one pound-for-pound boxer according to The Ring magazine.

    Pernell Whitaker – 40 Wins, 4 Losses
    Pernell Whitaker had quite the career. He was a four-weight world champion and won the Olympic gold medal in 1984. Whitaker was a southpaw and an elusive one at that. The defensive man had cat-like reflexes and a stinging right jab.



    His most significant match against Julio Cesar Chavez for the super lightweight championship should have been a win, but instead ended in a controversial draw. Many felt it was a clear-cut victory, but then he lost his title in another close fight to Oscar De La Hoya.


    Mike Tyson – 50 Wins, 6 Losses
    A big part of Mike Tyson’s game is that he’s very intimidating. Probably one of the most of all-time. Tyson had knockout power in both fists, which allowed him to become the youngest boxer to win a heavyweight title when he was just 20-years-old.



    Nicknamed “Iron Mike,” he won his first nineteen pro fights by knockout. Twelve of those fights happened to end in the first round. He completed his career with a whopping 44 knockouts. Tyson’s career might have ended on a wrong note, but it doesn’t discredit how much of a beast he was and still is.


    Fighting Harada – 55 Wins, 7 Losses
    Hands down the best Japanese boxer ever, Masahiko Harada had an aggressive style that helped him win the flyweight and bantamweight world titles. Harada is also the only man to beat the legendary Eder Jofre in one of their two meetings.



    Harada is still the only boxer to have both the lineal flyweight and bantamweight titles at the same time. Clearly, he’s in a league of his own to have such an accomplishment.


    Jack Dempsey – 54 Wins, 6 Losses
    Back during the Roaring Twenties, Jack Dempsey was nothing short of a cultural icon. The hard-hitting puncher would set attendance and financial records practically everytime he stepped into the ring. That’s what you call a big ticket.



    Nicknamed “The Manassa Mauler,” he retired after judges unanimously chose Gene Tunney to be the winner in their 1927 fight. Dempsey was praised for his uncanny skills of bobbing and weaving. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1954.


    Evander Holyfield – 44 Wins, 10 Losses
    Evander Holyfield has a list of accomplishments that go on and on. For starters, he’s the only person to be the undisputed cruiserweight and heavyweight champion. When he was just an amateur, Holyfield won a bronze medal for the U.S.



    Holyfield had a relentless toughness and durability. You didn’t want to be caught by his counter left hook, or that would spell trouble for you. He was forced to retire due to medical advice but would return two years later and defeat Mike Tyson to reclaim the title in an upset.


    Larry Holmes – 69 Wins, 6 Losses
    Larry Holmes started his career on a hot streak by winning 48 fights, one win away from Rocky Marciano’s record. Holmes is said to have the greatest left jab in heavyweight history. How else do you think he was the champion for seven and a half years



    Holmes was notorious for rallying back after getting stunned, so fighters were never safe in a bout with him. Holmes worked his skills well and was the first to defeat Muhammad Ali, even though Ali wasn’t fully prepared for the fight.

    Ricardo Lopez – 51 Wins, 0 Losses
    Another competitor with zero losses enters the list. Ricardo Lopez was a technically-sound fighter who pressured his opponents and had deceptive power for his weight class. He’s the best strawweight champion of all-time and has titles in two different weight classes.



    We can safely say Lopez had only one blemish on him. It was the eight-round technical draw against Rosendo Alvarez. He would find his revenge later by a majority decision win. Lopez is the only boxer to retire with an undefeated record for both pro and amateur.


    Wladimir Klitschko – 64 Wins, 5 Losses
    Wladimir Klitschko is a Ukrainian boxer with tons of size and is a very intelligent fighter. He holds the record for the longest combined world championship reign in boxing history: 4,383 days. Klitschko also has the second most title defenses only behind Joe Louis.



    As if that wasn’t enough to solidify his dominance, Klitschko also earned a 1996 Olympic gold medal in the super heavyweight division. He ended up retiring after one of his greatest fights that ended in a loss.


    Jack Johnson – 73 Wins, 13 Losses
    Jack Johnson is an American sporting pioneer and his impact cannot be diminished. He’s the first African American to secure a heavyweight title back in 1908 by defeating Tommy Burns in Australia. Nicknamed the “Galveston Giant,” he was a defensive wiz as well.



    Not only did he have a great defense, but he had outstanding speed matched with great timing. President Trump granted a posthumous pardon to the boxer for when he violated the racially-motivated Mann Act in 1913.


    Gene Tunney – 65 Wins, 1 Loss
    If you were wondering what type of fighter Gene Tunney was, he was nothing short of a powerhouse. He gained titles in both heavy and light heavyweight classes. In 1928, The Ring selected him as their “Fighter of the Year” in 1928.



    An interesting fact about him is that he was never beaten as a heavyweight fighter and retired as the division king in July 1928. His nickname was “The Fighting Marine,” and he was placed in the Hall of Fame in the stacked 1990 class.



  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,047
    The rest.

    Ezzard Charles – 95 Wins, 25 Losses
    Ezzard Charles was the true definition of a lionhearted boxer. The dynamic competitor took out a bevy of Hall of Famers during his career. One of his most notable victories came when he unanimously outscored Joe Louis to keep his heavyweight belt.



    Due to financial reasons, Charles’ record was a little off thanks to taking on fights well past his prime. That happens to be the case for many prizefighters, unfortunately. Nevertheless, he is still an all-time great.


    Willie Pep – 229 Wins, 11 Losses
    When you bring up defensive fighters in the modern era, the name Floyd Mayweather comes to mind. In the past, Willie Pep owned that title and didn’t let up. He was such a defensive mastermind, he once won a round without throwing a single punch.



    Pep was practically unhittable and had blinding quick hand speed. He got the nickname “Will o’ the Wisp” and might as well be remembered as the marquee featherweight of boxing. He finally became a Hall of Famer in 1990.


    Archie Moore – 186 Wins, 23 Losses
    Here’s another fighter from back in the day who had an absolutely amazing win-to-loss ratio. Many consider Archie Moore the most celebrated light heavyweight of all-time. Moore was a defensive mastermind who had a chin made of steel.



    His nickname was “The Old Mongoose,” and he recorded the most knockouts in boxing history, 131. After 219 professional fights, Moore decided to hang it up in 1963. He was placed in the Hall of Fame in 1990.


    Roman Gonzalez – 46 Wins – 2 Losses
    Roman Gonzalez was known as “Chocolatito” and had a massive punch that helped him become the first boxer from Nicaragua to win world titles in four different weight divisions. He did so in the four lowest weight classes as well.



    From 2015 to March 2017, The Ring considered him the best pound-for-pound boxer. There has only been one man to defeat him, and he has done so twice. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai did so by knock out in one match and by majority decision in another fight.


    James Toney – 77 Wins, 10 Losses
    James Toney was a no-nonsense type of fighter. He had a tough guy demeanor mixed with a defensive, slick, and vicious fighting style. Toney successfully won world titles in three different weight classes (super middleweight, cruiserweight, and middleweight.)



    Toney handled many top fighters from the middleweight and heavyweight class like Mike McCallum, Iran Barkley, and Evander Holyfield. Of his 77 wins, 47 of them were knockouts. He was supposed to join Roy Jones Jr. as the only middleweight to win a heavyweight championship but he tested positive on a drug test and had his titled stripped.


    Benny Leonard – 89 Wins, 6 Losses
    Benny Leonard is a boxing Jewish icon and one of the most unbeatable lightweights ever. Even though he had a small frame, Leonard had fists made of brick and retired with a 70 percent knockout rate. That’s what you call heavy handed!



    “The Ghetto Wizard” was simply a boxing prodigy who always got the best of his opponents by outsmarting them. Leonard is a member of four different Hall of Fames as well: The Ring Magazine Hall of Fame, National Jewish Sports Hall of Fame, International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame, and International Boxing Hall of Fame.


    Sam Langford – 180 Wins, 29 Losses
    Sam Langford is hailed as the “Greatest Fighter Nobody Knows.” At 5’7″ he was simply an exceptional presence inside the ring. Not only did he handle lightweights, but he took out heavyweights during his time. Being undersized wasn’t an issue for Langford.



    In fact, BoxRec rates Langford or “Boston Bonecrusher” as the third greatest heavyweight in history. He gained all this success while enduring public discrimination. Not many on this list had to go through similar struggles while being great.


    Henry Armstrong – 151 Wins, 21 Losses
    What can we say about “Hammerin’ Hank” besides the fact that he was an incredible boxer? Henry Armstong was 5’5″ and still managed to knock out 101 of his opponents out of his 151 victories. Armstrong was the leader of featherweights, lightweights, and welterweights.



    He was also another fighter to earn The Ring’s Fighter of the Year in 1937. Three years later, the BWAA awarded Hammerin’ Hank Fighter of the Year as well. Armstrong was not left behind in the 1990 Hall of Fame class.


  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,520
    Some truly great boxers in there.

    James "Lights Out" Toney. What a nickname.
    Only bettered by Michael "Second to" Nunn.

    Muhammad Ali was a great boxer. However, IMO not the GOAT. If it is just boxing. But what he also brought was an ability to "sell" fights that was miles ahead of his time. And the sort of charisma that all of us dream of having. The whole package.

    Just want to add 1 name to your list.

    John L Sullivan. And not just because he is a distant relative. W40 L1 3D/NC

    He was the first truly sporting icon. The first sporting $millionaire. Who drank the lot. And then gave it up and preached on the evils of drink.

    A man who once drank 2 bottles of whiskey before a title fight. And won. In the 75th round. Against a man who was later a pallbearer at his funeral. A man who Mike Tyson (an avid boxing historian) said was his hero. The last bareknuckle champion of the World. The Ali of the 19th Century. And the man who transformed sport, not just boxing.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,047
    edited March 2019
    Essexphil said:

    Some truly great boxers in there.

    James "Lights Out" Toney. What a nickname.
    Only bettered by Michael "Second to" Nunn.

    Muhammad Ali was a great boxer. However, IMO not the GOAT. If it is just boxing. But what he also brought was an ability to "sell" fights that was miles ahead of his time. And the sort of charisma that all of us dream of having. The whole package.

    Just want to add 1 name to your list.

    John L Sullivan. And not just because he is a distant relative. W40 L1 3D/NC

    He was the first truly sporting icon. The first sporting $millionaire. Who drank the lot. And then gave it up and preached on the evils of drink.

    A man who once drank 2 bottles of whiskey before a title fight. And won. In the 75th round. Against a man who was later a pallbearer at his funeral. A man who Mike Tyson (an avid boxing historian) said was his hero. The last bareknuckle champion of the World. The Ali of the 19th Century. And the man who transformed sport, not just boxing.

    That is remarkable.

    There was a Welsh boxer, who ran a bit of a dodgy boozer in Swansea, when I was in school.
    He was called Jimmy Wilde, and been unbeaten for his first 103 fights.
    He was regarded by some as the greatest flyweight ever.

    Jimmy Wilde, commonly nicknamed "The Mighty Atom," was so frail-looking and white that he was also referred to as "The Ghost with a hammer in his hand." His other nicknames included "The Indian Famine" and "The Furious Freak."
    He was at his best fighting weight at 6 stone 10lbs. Historian Gilbert Odd wrote in Boxing News, April 4, 1969:
    "He came in at a time when flyweights were plentiful and competition extremely high. Never made 8st in his fighting life!
    "Record books show he started in 1911 but it is taken for granted that he had been fighting professionally for at least 4 years before that. 100s of his bouts , fought on the top spit to an audience of miners on pay night or in the Saturday night booth run by "Professor" Jack Scarrott on the vacant piece of land at the top of the street took place before anyone thought of recording contests. Even printed record is not complete. Wilde's claim that he had at least 800 fights is probably greatly exaggerated, but it was a great deal more than the 139 listed. Never suffered hand injuries. Never put a bandage on until he fought in London. Thought it cramped the fist. Never had a lesson in his life bar the few in his bedroom from Dai Davies, the father of the girl he was courting. Was married and a father by 1912. In 1916 joined the army and was sent to Aldershot as PT instructor. At 29 after such continued and strenuous activity, his natural fighting instincts deserted him when he fought Pete (Kid) Herman. Retired for 2 & half years; came back disastrously."
    The January 1941 The Ring magazine published a retrospective on Wilde. He had been born at 8 Station Road, Pontygwaith, Tylorstown, Wales, in 1892. He was the son of a miner and became a miner, too. Married at age 18, he became a booth fighter, taking on men weighing as much as 12 stones (170-pounders), and amassing a reported record of some 864 bouts. He first came into prominence in 1912 when he beat Billy Padden for the English Paperweight Title.


    .His first win came on 1 January 1911, when he knocked out Ted Roberts in the third round
    Managed by Teddy Lewis, reserve captain of local rugby club, Pontypridd RFC,[3] Wilde went undefeated in 103 bouts, all of which were held in Britain, a remarkable achievement. In the middle of that streak, on 31 December 1912, he won the British 7 stone championship by beating Billy Padden by an eighteenth-round knockout in Glasgow. He finally lost his undefeated record when he challenged Tancy Lee for the vacant British and Europe Flyweight Championship on 15 January 1915 in London. Wilde was knocked out in the seventeenth round (of twenty).
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,751
    Love this thread , lots of fascinating stuff here.

    I was lucky enough to be around in the era when boxing was on terrestrial tv, and the middleweight division was full of greats, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvellous Marvin Hagler, Thomas “The Hit Man” Hearns, Roberto “ Hands of Stone” Duran, the fights between these greats of the ring never disappointed, still unsure if Leonard actually beat Hagler,

    I recall our hope for the title Dave “Boy” Green coming up against Sugar Ray Leonard , and the punch that Ray landed which ended his hopes with Harry Carpenter describing it as “ That punch went from chin to boots”

    Then our own Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Micheal Watson, brutal bouts and such a sad end to Watson’s career, it’s heartwarming to see how much respect they all have for each other now.
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,400
    Haysie

    Great stuff, however that large yellow orb in the sky is called the sun...take some time to go outside and enjoy it!
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,047
    madprof said:

    Haysie

    Great stuff, however that large yellow orb in the sky is called the sun...take some time to go outside and enjoy it!

    Ok.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,520
    tomgoodun said:

    Love this thread , lots of fascinating stuff here.

    I was lucky enough to be around in the era when boxing was on terrestrial tv, and the middleweight division was full of greats, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvellous Marvin Hagler, Thomas “The Hit Man” Hearns, Roberto “ Hands of Stone” Duran, the fights between these greats of the ring never disappointed, still unsure if Leonard actually beat Hagler,

    I recall our hope for the title Dave “Boy” Green coming up against Sugar Ray Leonard , and the punch that Ray landed which ended his hopes with Harry Carpenter describing it as “ That punch went from chin to boots”

    Then our own Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Micheal Watson, brutal bouts and such a sad end to Watson’s career, it’s heartwarming to see how much respect they all have for each other now.

    The 70s was the great era for heavyweights, and the 80s was certainly the era for welterweight-middleweight.

    Sugar Ray Leonard said he only ever threw 1 perfect punch. That one. Said he was scared he'd killed him. Friends ever after.

    Most brutal fight ever? For me, Nigel Benn v McLellan. What a fight. Tragic end.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,520
    Best ever UK performance? Kirkland Laing.

    Took the great Roberto Duran to school. And then partied non-stop, and never reproduced his prodigious talent. Fool. But legend.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,520
    Seen some really good British boxers who lacked just 1 thing for greatness.

    Mental application? Laing, Bugner (couldn't hurt people who were nice to him)
    Knockout power? Stracy, Buchanan.
    Cuts? Finnegan, Minter.

    Unluckiest? Audley Harrison.
    A great 3-round fighter (Olympics, Prize Fighter, etc) who wasn't as good over 12 rounds.

    Imagine if Usain Bolt had been forced to run 800 metres after the Olympics. And everybody moaning he wasn't as good as he had been at the Olympics...
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 167,273

    Don't think he's feature in many "Top 10 Greatest Boxers" lists, but Terry Downes was something of a hero of mine when I was a young man.

    When he retired, & High St betting shops were legalized, he set up a chain of "Licensed Betting Offices" with his manager, Sam Burns, & they later sold 90 of them them to Wm Hill for an absolute fortune.

    In fact, they were never their shops, they were just a front for an underworld gang.



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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,520
    edited March 2019
    Many boxers had, er, connections.

    In the late 80s the Office Manager where I worked used to bang on about how he had once formed a Company with a couple of ex-boxers. Nice old boy, but we used to tease him mercilessly. Then 1 day he said they were coming to take him out to some function. More teasing.

    Next day, white Roller turns up. 2 brick outhouses get out, both in chauffeurs outfits. Asking for our Office Manager, and asking if anyone doubted they were ex-boxers.

    Billy and George Walker.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,047
    edited March 2019
    Anyone remember Steve Robinson.

    The short story was, he worked in Debenhams as a £52 a week storeman.
    He had a fairly bad boxing record. He had lost 9 from 23.
    The champion couldn't fight because he failed an HIV test.
    Robinson stood in at 48 hrs notice, and won the world title.
    He surprised everyone by making 7 successful defences.

    I remember being in the pub, ready to watch his eighth defence, when the pre fight odds came up on the telly. His opponent was a big odds on, so I knew it was all over.

    The other fighter? Naseem Hamed.


    The longer story, well worth a read.





    featherweight champion Ruben Palacios was stripped of his title after failing a HIV test.
    The call went out to find an opponent to meet England’s John Davison for the vacant title – and Robinson’s name was some way down the list.
    But one by one the names were scratched off and Robinson – possessor of a modest record having lost nine of his 23 contests – was offered £12,000 to take the fight.
    The problem was that it was only 48 hours from the first bell and Robinson was busy tucking into a rather unhealthy meal when his trainer Ronnie Rush rang to deliver the news.
    “I was at my mother-in-law’s house and I’d just finished pie and chips when I got the call,” recalls Robinson.
    “When I was told it was a world title fight I said I wouldn’t be ready, but Ronnie said I could go for 12 rounds.
    “I had to lose about six or seven pounds – the pie and chips had done me no favours – and I had to dry out, but I was a natural featherweight and the weigh-in was on the afternoon.
    “I did a couple of runs, some shadow boxing and the weight dropped. I felt a bit drained, but I was OK.”
    “I knocked his gum shield out and almost knocked him out, but I was so tired I couldn’t finish him.
    Robinson’s Debenhams days were over (though he would return to the Cardiff store to show staff his belt) but this most grounded of individuals was never one to party.
    “But I’m not a drinker, I had a sip but no more. I could have come back by plane but I went home on the minibus with my supporters – all 12 of them!
    “All the time I was looking at the belt and thinking ‘Did that just happen?’ I couldn’t keep my eyes off it.
    “My life changed. Until then I had been ‘Steve Robinson, boxer.’ Now I was ‘Steve Robinson, world champion.’
    Robinson’s reign as champion, however, was expected to be brief.
    Boxing commentators insisted he would be exposed at world level but the National Ice Rink soon became his fortress on nights charged with emotion and pride.
    Wales had not boasted a world champion since the days of Howard Winstone and Robinson was determined to show he was no one-hit wonder.
    “Winning the belt made me a better boxer,” said Robinson, who would make seven successful seven title defences at the Ice Rink from July 1993 to July 1995.
    “Everyone thought me winning the title was a fluke but I proved them all wrong and just kept saying ‘Next victim.’
    But Robinson’s run ended when he came up against a certain ‘Prince’ Naseem Hamed at Cardiff Arms Park in September 1995.
    Hamed was the new up-and-coming superstar of British boxing, yet Robinson still felt he had the tools to beat him.


    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/boxing/boxing-cinderella-man-steve-robinson-2637744
  • Itsover4uItsover4u Member Posts: 1,538
    Joe Calzaghe is the best Britain has produced in my opinion he beat greats across different era's Eubank, Collins, roy jones jr, bernard Hopkins, mikel kessler and of course retired unbeaten.

    On top of that he went out on his own terms and left the game unbeaten with a 46-0 record.

    Also officially listed in the the all time top 25 one spot below mike Tyson
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 167,273

    Loved the Steve Robinson story @Essexphil.

    My other early memory of boxing was Henry Cooper, who used to often serve in the greengrocers shops he had with his brother in Wembley High St.

    I remember clearly his Wembley fight against Cassius Clay, as I think he was known then.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,520
    edited March 2019
    Tikay10 said:


    Loved the Steve Robinson story @Essexphil.

    My other early memory of boxing was Henry Cooper, who used to often serve in the greengrocers shops he had with his brother in Wembley High St.

    I remember clearly his Wembley fight against Cassius Clay, as I think he was known then.

    Henry Cooper was born at the wrong time.

    There was no Cruiserweight division then-nothing between light-heavy, and heavyweight. So anyone above 12 stone 7 lbs was a Heavyweight.

    He was a natural Cruiser, who spent his career fighting people 3 stone heavier than him. But "Enry's 'Ammer" gave him a chance.

    He was also unusual in that he was left-handed but fought Orthodox.

    PS-the Steve Robinson story was Haysie's. :)
    PPS-if anyone thinks Brexit is contentious, you should have seen the arguments as to who won between Cooper and Bugner (I thought the Ref got it right)
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 167,273

    PS-the Steve Robinson story was Haysie's.

    Oops, apologies to @HAYSIE.

    To be fair to me, you too are so alike.
  • Itsover4uItsover4u Member Posts: 1,538
    edited March 2019
    Tikay10 said:


    Loved the Steve Robinson story @Essexphil.

    My other early memory of boxing was Henry Cooper, who used to often serve in the greengrocers shops he had with his brother in Wembley High St.

    I remember clearly his Wembley fight against Cassius Clay, as I think he was known then.

    @Tikay10 Henry as you may remember knocked down Ali with Henry's Hammer... Ali was all but gone and the bell saved him.

    Ali's trainer Angelo Dundee saw the state he was in then tore Ali's glove so there was a delay to the start of he next round by more than 5 minutes.... the rest is history

    Zero chance of getting away with that in this day and age, but ultimately robbed cooper of a huge win
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