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Badly played from me or unlucky?

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  • Itsover4uItsover4u Member Posts: 1,538
    No point posting the hand number nobody can access it. If you want to post the hand il be more than happy to take a look
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    Itsover4u said:

    No point posting the hand number nobody can access it. If you want to post the hand il be more than happy to take a look

    I'm struggling to work out how to post the hand , always used to be able to .
    Cheers , How would I find the hand id ...on game history , all I seem to be able to find next to each hand is for instance the number I posted ?
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    1375876434 2019-04-07 22:10:26 21307.50
    JA
    J3102A
    9502.50
    BLUESTONES won 21105.00 with a Straight to the Ace
  • Itsover4uItsover4u Member Posts: 1,538
    Easiest way - take the pot size from above - order the hands by pot size then find that hand and copy and paste.

    May need to add suits in as dont always copy over
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    Itsover4u said:

    Easiest way - take the pot size from above - order the hands by pot size then find that hand and copy and paste.

    May need to add suits in as dont always copy over

    Thanks appreciate your help.
    Crikey , It wasn't always this difficult was it? Weren't you able to just click the hand number and it opened up the play from flop through ?
    Think this is prob beyond my tech ability today , shame cos I would have liked an opinion on it .
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,528

    Send for @mumsie, he may be able to help.
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    edited April 2019
    Sussed it out eventually ...bit slow today .
    Ok so just after the 2nd break in the mini , going along fairly steadily , think I was 35th of 90 odd left . Probably didn't need to push like this in that particular spot ?
    Critiques/slatings welcome.
    Oh bit of background , thought the villain was playing quite loose and had lost quite a few chips just prior to that hand , If I am recalling correctly .
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    chicknMeltSmall blind150.00150.0018086.00
    BLUESTONESBig blind300.00450.009202.50
    Your hole cards
    • J
    • A
    dobiesdrawCall300.00750.009405.00
    accccer03Fold
    ALIJRCall300.001050.0014255.00
    pacpacRaise1650.002700.0023225.00
    chicknMeltFold
    BLUESTONESCall1350.004050.007852.50
    dobiesdrawCall1350.005400.008055.00
    ALIJRFold
    Flop
    • J
    • 3
    • 10
    BLUESTONESCheck
    dobiesdrawCheck
    pacpacCheck
    Turn
    • 2
    BLUESTONESBet2700.008100.005152.50
    dobiesdrawAll-in8055.0016155.000.00
    pacpacFold
    BLUESTONESAll-in5152.5021307.500.00
    dobiesdrawUnmatched bet202.5021105.00202.50
    BLUESTONESShow
    • Q
    • K
    dobiesdrawShow
    • J
    • A
    River
    • A
    BLUESTONESWinStraight to the Ace21105.0021105.00
  • Angmar2626Angmar2626 Member Posts: 886
    Raise first in
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,528

    Well I don't think K-Q suited man is ever folding, but imo we must always raise it up pre with A-J there. Not sure checking the flop is good either, think we have to bet, even though in this spot he's never going away.

    If it makes you feel any better, (unlikely....) he put your chips to good use & eventually finished 2nd.
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    Tikay10 said:


    Well I don't think K-Q suited man is ever folding, but imo we must always raise it up pre with A-J there. Not sure checking the flop is good either, think we have to bet, even though in this spot he's never going away.

    If it makes you feel any better, (unlikely....) he put your chips to good use & eventually finished 2nd.

    Very Fair and justified comments , I did limp ...from my perspective , whatever I bet ( if anything ) , was automatically going to get re raised ..from my view of his play up till that point .
    Pleased for his 2nd place though ..(through gritted teeth ) ... :D
    Be interested to know on the flop what the percentages for both hands were ?
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    Why are you limping?
    Not sure I agree with betting the flop @Tikay10 as the original raiser is still to act.
    Turn depends on opponents really, generally I think get it in but can flat v some.
  • Angmar2626Angmar2626 Member Posts: 886
    On that flop:

    AsJh 53.13%
    KcQc 46.87%
  • Angmar2626Angmar2626 Member Posts: 886
    70/30 on the turn though
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793

    On that flop:

    AsJh 53.13%
    KcQc 46.87%

    Thanks
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,528


    "....Be interested to know on the flop what the percentages for both hands were ?"


    Pre-Flop you were 56% - 44%

    Post Flop you were 53% - 47%

    After the turn you were 70% - 30%



    If you ever want to check these things, the CardPlayer Poker Odds Calculator is amongst several useful & free aids available;


    https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tools/odds-calculator/texas-holdem
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    edited April 2019
    MattBates said:

    Why are you limping?
    Not sure I agree with betting the flop @Tikay10 as the original raiser is still to act.
    Turn depends on opponents really, generally I think get it in but can flat v some.

    I guess I wanted to see the flop as cheaply as I could ( and walk away with still some chips if necessary) , if pacpac hadn't raised up then Bluestones would have.
    Listen , I know you guys are right about limping ...and I guess this is one of the problems with the few tournaments I play , I'm just not aggressive enough and overly concerned about protecting my chips .
    The mtts I have won elsewhere normally follow a pattern of me limping into a cash position and then pushing the play .
    Perhaps my whole rationale with playing MTT's is seriously flawed ?

    Incidentally I very much appreciate the feedback
  • Itsover4uItsover4u Member Posts: 1,538
    edited April 2019

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    chicknMeltSmall blind150.00150.0018086.00
    BLUESTONESBig blind300.00450.009202.50
    Your hole cards
    • J
    • A
    dobiesdrawCall300.00750.009405.00
    accccer03Fold
    ALIJRCall300.001050.0014255.00
    pacpacRaise1650.002700.0023225.00
    chicknMeltFold
    BLUESTONESCall1350.004050.007852.50
    dobiesdrawCall1350.005400.008055.00
    ALIJRFold
    Flop
    • J
    • 3
    • 10
    BLUESTONESCheck
    dobiesdrawCheck
    pacpacCheck
    Turn
    • 2
    BLUESTONESBet2700.008100.005152.50
    dobiesdrawAll-in8055.0016155.000.00
    pacpacFold
    BLUESTONESAll-in5152.5021307.500.00
    dobiesdrawUnmatched bet202.5021105.00202.50
    BLUESTONESShow
    • Q
    • K
    dobiesdrawShow
    • J
    • A
    River
    • A
    BLUESTONESWinStraight to the Ace21105.0021105.00

    Ok so lets try to break this down, we have a 30bb stack and AJo UTG is a perfect raise candidate. Before we even raise we should have a plan for this hand.

    30bb its hard to raise much higher than 2x - 2.2x - But it is almost always a raise.

    The strength of AJ diminishes drastically if we get 3bet so I would generally player dependent have aj in the raise and fold category if we face a 3bet - especially as you have a tighter range (or should have) from under the gun.

    Raising would also make kqs a call from position rather than a 3b - It would be easier for him to 3b if it was unsuited as it will fail to realise its equity more.

    As played I am also checking behind because of the original raiser on the flop (but im not entirely sure I am even calling 4.6x preflop if I was to limp)

    If we had raised and the kqs had flat called - we should be cbetting around 60 -80% of the pot and looking to put our opponents in on all good turn cards.

    The turn is as good a card as possible and with the original raiser checking on a dangerous looking board we can be fairly confident we are ahead - Although he may occasionally show up with jj and 10 10 it is still hugely unlikely they would check that board even with flopped top sets because of all the diamond combos and KQ / AQ combos that both opponents could hold - so in short yes I believe its correct to get it in - But I do believe there are a few things as mentioned above that need to be fixed.

    Sorry for any bad grammar but I hope this is still useful. :smile:

    Danny



  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    ^^^ Thanks Danny ..very interesting to read the analysis , and I appreciate you taking the time.

  • Itsover4uItsover4u Member Posts: 1,538
    Half the battle is having a plan for later streets - Whats optimal if these cards come on the turn etc.

    Think - Plan - and act.

    Much like a good snooker player or chess player will think not just in the moment put a couple of moves ahead a good poker player should also - But with poker we should also be thinking back to other hands.

    Not an easy skill to learn.

    Best of luck
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