Never ignore what people say ..... take strength when they insult you, because they fear you .... the graffiti on Nigel Posters are not from Banksy but refer to the dauber.
19.58 ..Nigel speaks about WTO and a hard border .
You draw attention to Nigel dealing with the Irish border. So perhaps you could answer this question. Nigel says we are not having one. When we leave, Ireland will be staying in. This means they will continue to have Freedom of Movement. So the citizens of the other 26 EU countries to travel freely to Ireland. No border means they will all be able to stroll into the UK? Is this Taking Back Control? There is also the question of smuggling, avoiding tariffs etc. Could this be the Irish border of the future?
'There will have to be a border' - Former WTO leader on Brexit
A border will have to be imposed post Brexit regardless of any UK/EU trade deal, former World Trade Organisation (WTO) chief Pascal Lamy has warned. Mr Lamy – who is on a two day visit to Dublin - said the moment a country leaves the single market, borders go up. He said the border question cannot be evaded. “Whatever UK/EU trade regime will be negotiated, assuming there will be one, there will have to be a border,” the former trade chief told an event organised by Dublin City University’s Brexit Institute. “The moment you exit the internal market, you have borders.” Mr Lamy, who was also chief of staff to former European Commission president Jacques Delors, said he hasn’t found a solution to the border question. “I haven’t found any solution. And the reason is that the 'no border' does not exist.” He also said there would have to be checks to ensure that goods brought across the border comply with standards. Mr Lamy said he had looked at the Swedish/Norway border, which he described as a “serious border”.
He said “nothing will prevent Brexit” from transforming the situation with the border. “The only solution, the only question is where is the border? And that of course is a million dollar question.” The former WTO director general said it may be “convenient” not to recognise now that there will have to be a border and that that has to be dealt with.
“If whatever arrangement implies a border, you cannot evade the border question,” Mr Lamy said. “I can understand why it is convenient to do that.” Mr Lamy also said that the claim from Prime Minister Theresa May that no deal is a better than a bad deal, is a “bad omen”. “When I hear a negotiator starting at the very beginning outlining no deal is better than a bad deal, it is not a good sign,” Mr Lamy said.
In November, Irish Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said his government would find it very difficult to avoid imposing a hard border on Northern Ireland if Britain crashes out of the European Union without an exit agreement. Then in December he said that he’s not planning for a border at all, and that his government would not be making any.
He has previously said that the United Kingdom would have to implement a hard border due to the rules of the World Trade Organisation. The UK has said it won’t implement a hard border, but then Philip Hammond in October said that the United Kingdom would have to. In Parliament in October, Theresa May herself said that the UK was committed to no hard border in any circumstances, including no deal.
Jean-Claude Juncker, the EU Commission President, promised to the Irish Parliament that no hard border would follow, even in the event of no deal. But then Merkel ally Joachim Pfeiffer reminded EU officials that Ireland’s ascension to EU rules means it has signed up to regulatory checks and collection of tariffs with any third party state — warning that no deal means Ireland is facing the hardest possible border arrangements in Europe (or the hardest possible sanction for non-enforcement). So we’re left with the question of how much political promises mean against the reality of treaty law.
So, will there be one? Well, the World Trade Organisation doesn’t seem to think so. In fact, the WTO would only be involved in the event that there is a dispute between one of its 164 member countries (including the EU). In other words, it would require either the UK or the EU or a third country to bring a case of dispute to the WTO arising from a lack of a border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.
If that dispute did come up, brought up by either the UK or the EU or a third party of either, then it would require either the UK or the EU to implement a hard border, or face sanction.
As Peter Ungphakorn has pointed out before, the commonly held belief that Ireland or the UK would go head-to-head with WTO officials in a heroic stand to maintain a soft-border in the event of no-deal, is false. That is not going to happen because that isn’t how WTO disputes work and there isn’t a specific rule requiring governments to secure their borders.
After 25 years of campaigning to get the UK out of the EU, I am the last person who wanted our country to be in this position. Frankly, I think it is an unforgivable state of affairs. But the refusal of the political class in Westminster to honour the referendum result of 2016 means that this unwanted election is upon us. We must make the best of it. Having said all of that, I wouldn’t want anybody to think I am despondent. Far from it. And none of the 17.4 million men and women who voted for Brexit should be either. Before us all is a brilliant opportunity to bring about a revolution in Britain’s political system. To that end, I want to emphasise with every fibre of my being how important it is that as many people as possible turn out next month and vote for The Brexit Party.I know that many reading this will be sceptical, thinking their vote won’t make a difference. But without the decent people of our nation doing their democratic duty three years ago, we would not have won the EU referendum.
On that occasion, we were extraordinarily successful, beating the Remain side by more 1.3 million votes. Remainers bang on about how close that result was, but I disagree. We won by a number that is equivalent to the population of Birmingham. By any standards that is a substantial margin of victory.
The will of most British people is crystal clear.
After June 2016, the overwhelming majority of MPs agreed to enact Brexit. But then Theresa May’s shambles of a general election in 2017, in which she was left with a minority government, changed things.
Remainer MPs, who make up 75 per cent of the House of Commons, started to backtrack. As time has gone on, this arrogant elite has stuck two fingers up at their own manifestos, lied to the electorate, and done everything possible to thwart the result.
They are now stone deaf to the promises which they made previously. Many are so out of touch it is as though they simply don’t care anymore. They have concocted and confected all sorts of bogus arguments to try to kill Brexit.
The sheer scale of their betrayal of the country is difficult to grasp.
In light of this, the best option open to Brexiteers is to punish both of the Establishment parties and back The Brexit Party. That is why I would urge anybody tempted to stay at home on 23 May not to do so. Please do not behave as though we have been defeated.
Instead, remember that the 2016 result was just the first triumph. We must now finish the job and change politics in Britain for good.
The Conservatives and Labour have been as bad as each other when it comes to choking off Brexit. In their own ways, both have connived to let down the upstanding citizens of Britain who voted to Leave in 2016.
But Remainers should be deeply alarmed by the behaviour of our MPs in recent months as well. They, too, should vote for The Brexit Party. Even if they didn’t like the referendum result in 2016, they shouldn’t be comfortable about the way democracy has been turned on its head.
Indeed, this goes way beyond old-fashioned party politics. A clear message must be sent on 23 May that people are not prepared to go on with this shattered order any longer. I believe the European election can be the vehicle for driving the fundamental change that is required in our politics. It is just the start of the revolution for which Britain is crying out.
For the good of our country, we have to bring back trust and honour into politics. On Friday, The Brexit Party introduced a group of candidates who will be standing in next month’s election. They come from all walks of life
The Brexit Party is going to put competence back into British politics.
No decent person would ever invite anybody associated with violence, thuggery or criminality into their house. By the same token, no self-respecting voter should ever consider supporting a party with links to any of these appalling traits either. That is why you can count on The Brexit Party to field a wide range of candidates who are committed to openness, honesty, integrity, and promoting the public good.
After three terrible years in which the people of the UK have been deliberately misled by a group of conceited politicians who are **** bent on pleasing themselves, we all deserve so much better. Britain needs The Brexit Party, and The Brexit Party needs you.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0004mqj/brexit-party-campaign-launch
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-12/farage-plans-revolution-as-brexit-party-targets-eu-elections
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7733555/irish-hard-border-just-barrier-scaremongers/
So perhaps you could answer this question.
Nigel says we are not having one.
When we leave, Ireland will be staying in.
This means they will continue to have Freedom of Movement.
So the citizens of the other 26 EU countries to travel freely to Ireland.
No border means they will all be able to stroll into the UK?
Is this Taking Back Control?
There is also the question of smuggling, avoiding tariffs etc.
Could this be the Irish border of the future?
'There will have to be a border' - Former WTO leader on Brexit
A border will have to be imposed post Brexit regardless of any UK/EU trade deal, former World Trade Organisation (WTO) chief Pascal Lamy has warned.
Mr Lamy – who is on a two day visit to Dublin - said the moment a country leaves the single market, borders go up. He said the border question cannot be evaded.
“Whatever UK/EU trade regime will be negotiated, assuming there will be one, there will have to be a border,” the former trade chief told an event organised by Dublin City University’s Brexit Institute.
“The moment you exit the internal market, you have borders.”
Mr Lamy, who was also chief of staff to former European Commission president Jacques Delors, said he hasn’t found a solution to the border question.
“I haven’t found any solution. And the reason is that the 'no border' does not exist.”
He also said there would have to be checks to ensure that goods brought across the border comply with standards.
Mr Lamy said he had looked at the Swedish/Norway border, which he described as a “serious border”.
He said “nothing will prevent Brexit” from transforming the situation with the border.
“The only solution, the only question is where is the border? And that of course is a million dollar question.”
The former WTO director general said it may be “convenient” not to recognise now that there will have to be a border and that that has to be dealt with.
“If whatever arrangement implies a border, you cannot evade the border question,” Mr Lamy said.
“I can understand why it is convenient to do that.”
Mr Lamy also said that the claim from Prime Minister Theresa May that no deal is a better than a bad deal, is a “bad omen”.
“When I hear a negotiator starting at the very beginning outlining no deal is better than a bad deal, it is not a good sign,” Mr Lamy said.
https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/there-will-have-to-be-a-border-former-wto-leader-on-brexit-36265479.html
He has previously said that the United Kingdom would have to implement a hard border due to the rules of the World Trade Organisation. The UK has said it won’t implement a hard border, but then Philip Hammond in October said that the United Kingdom would have to. In Parliament in October, Theresa May herself said that the UK was committed to no hard border in any circumstances, including no deal.
Jean-Claude Juncker, the EU Commission President, promised to the Irish Parliament that no hard border would follow, even in the event of no deal. But then Merkel ally Joachim Pfeiffer reminded EU officials that Ireland’s ascension to EU rules means it has signed up to regulatory checks and collection of tariffs with any third party state — warning that no deal means Ireland is facing the hardest possible border arrangements in Europe (or the hardest possible sanction for non-enforcement). So we’re left with the question of how much political promises mean against the reality of treaty law.
So, will there be one? Well, the World Trade Organisation doesn’t seem to think so. In fact, the WTO would only be involved in the event that there is a dispute between one of its 164 member countries (including the EU). In other words, it would require either the UK or the EU or a third country to bring a case of dispute to the WTO arising from a lack of a border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.
If that dispute did come up, brought up by either the UK or the EU or a third party of either, then it would require either the UK or the EU to implement a hard border, or face sanction.
As Peter Ungphakorn has pointed out before, the commonly held belief that Ireland or the UK would go head-to-head with WTO officials in a heroic stand to maintain a soft-border in the event of no-deal, is false. That is not going to happen because that isn’t how WTO disputes work and there isn’t a specific rule requiring governments to secure their borders.
https://capx.co/the-truth-is-we-just-dont-know-what-will-happen-on-the-irish-border/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1113917/brexit-news-nigel-farage-brexit-party-eu-elections-brexit-delay-theresa-may
After 25 years of campaigning to get the UK out of the EU, I am the last person who wanted our country to be in this position. Frankly, I think it is an unforgivable state of affairs. But the refusal of the political class in Westminster to honour the referendum result of 2016 means that this unwanted election is upon us. We must make the best of it. Having said all of that, I wouldn’t want anybody to think I am despondent. Far from it. And none of the 17.4 million men and women who voted for Brexit should be either. Before us all is a brilliant opportunity to bring about a revolution in Britain’s political system. To that end, I want to emphasise with every fibre of my being how important it is that as many people as possible turn out next month and vote for The Brexit Party.I know that many reading this will be sceptical, thinking their vote won’t make a difference. But without the decent people of our nation doing their democratic duty three years ago, we would not have won the EU referendum.
On that occasion, we were extraordinarily successful, beating the Remain side by more 1.3 million votes. Remainers bang on about how close that result was, but I disagree. We won by a number that is equivalent to the population of Birmingham. By any standards that is a substantial margin of victory.
The will of most British people is crystal clear.
After June 2016, the overwhelming majority of MPs agreed to enact Brexit. But then Theresa May’s shambles of a general election in 2017, in which she was left with a minority government, changed things.
Remainer MPs, who make up 75 per cent of the House of Commons, started to backtrack. As time has gone on, this arrogant elite has stuck two fingers up at their own manifestos, lied to the electorate, and done everything possible to thwart the result.
They are now stone deaf to the promises which they made previously. Many are so out of touch it is as though they simply don’t care anymore. They have concocted and confected all sorts of bogus arguments to try to kill Brexit.
The sheer scale of their betrayal of the country is difficult to grasp.
In light of this, the best option open to Brexiteers is to punish both of the Establishment parties and back The Brexit Party. That is why I would urge anybody tempted to stay at home on 23 May not to do so. Please do not behave as though we have been defeated.
Instead, remember that the 2016 result was just the first triumph. We must now finish the job and change politics in Britain for good.
The Conservatives and Labour have been as bad as each other when it comes to choking off Brexit. In their own ways, both have connived to let down the upstanding citizens of Britain who voted to Leave in 2016.
But Remainers should be deeply alarmed by the behaviour of our MPs in recent months as well. They, too, should vote for The Brexit Party. Even if they didn’t like the referendum result in 2016, they shouldn’t be comfortable about the way democracy has been turned on its head.
Indeed, this goes way beyond old-fashioned party politics. A clear message must be sent on 23 May that people are not prepared to go on with this shattered order any longer. I believe the European election can be the vehicle for driving the fundamental change that is required in our politics. It is just the start of the revolution for which Britain is crying out.
For the good of our country, we have to bring back trust and honour into politics. On Friday, The Brexit Party introduced a group of candidates who will be standing in next month’s election. They come from all walks of life
The Brexit Party is going to put competence back into British politics.
No decent person would ever invite anybody associated with violence, thuggery or criminality into their house. By the same token, no self-respecting voter should ever consider supporting a party with links to any of these appalling traits either. That is why you can count on The Brexit Party to field a wide range of candidates who are committed to openness, honesty, integrity, and promoting the public good.
After three terrible years in which the people of the UK have been deliberately misled by a group of conceited politicians who are **** bent on pleasing themselves, we all deserve so much better. Britain needs The Brexit Party, and The Brexit Party needs you.