I thought this was an interesting hand..... What should I do?

MISTY4ME

I was playing in (Saturday) Vegas quarter-final, and made the final table (6) with 5 seats qualifying.
After Matt got a DUp I was in 6th place when I got this hand......... can i ask Matt, Groggy and the other good players on here, What should I do?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
gez_bear	Small blind		300.00	300.00	9083.00
MISTY4ME	Big blind		600.00	900.00	4745.00
	Your hole cards	4 A
loololollo	Fold
MattBates	Fold
Direwolf	Raise		1200.00	2100.00	25302.00
mattprawn	Fold
gez_bear	Fold
MISTY4ME	Call		600.00	2700.00	4145.00
Flop
		5 J 10
MISTY4ME	All-in		4145.00	6845.00	0.00
Direwolf	Call		4145.00	10990.00	21157.00
MISTY4ME	Show	4 A
Direwolf	Show	10 K
Turn
		6
River
		J
Direwolf	Win	Two Pairs, Jacks and 10s	10990.00		32147.00

My thoughts were.........

I can just call and see a flop (v. Chip Leader who had just called Matt's shove with K4o) and still have enough chips if I have to fold, rather than shoving and hoping...... or should I shove? or Fold and wait for a better spot against a lower chip stack or someone to commit suicide? (.....it does happen )

Having seen the flop, is it right to shove? It certainly felt like it was with having lots of outs.
I know it's doubtful direwolf will fold if he has anything, because he has so many chips.

I was happy (other than the result !) with what I did, but is it the right play in satellite play on the bubble, in the position I was in?

I would be grateful for your help guys

mumsie

You need a new hobby , hill walking , star gazing or something else anyway.

MattBates

@chicknMelt @FeelGroggy

MattBates

I think if we are playing the hand we should shove pre. Whether we decide to shove this would depend on frequency of wolf opening and whether we feel we have much fold equity, whether we feel someone else is likely to commit sat suicide.
As played then shoving flop is the right play but trouble is I think quite often we end up in the situation we did. Personally I think I prefer folding and looking to open shove/hoping someone else makes an error (but the spot is an interesting one and others may disagree).

FeelGroggy

We have to defend pre in some fashion when we're the shortest- we have the least to lose. Shove/ call depends on how often you think villain raise folds. I like our decision to shove flop and maximise fold equity. Think I'd have played it the same. We still have fold equity if we call, whiff and check fold.

hhyftrftdr

Would be useful to know the other stack sizes on the table, but instinct agrees with Matt.

Bubble of a sat with a marginal hand and very limited fold equity, and we're looking to take on the chip leader post flop. Think I'd be much more inclined to pass this spot and look to shove any 2 on the medium stacks left.

If there are a couple of stacks similar to yourself then it makes it an even clearer fold IMO.

Obv as played you have to go with it, but imagine the delight from the other players left when you peel from that stack size and then jam flop vs the chip leader who might call quite wide and end it now.

MISTY4ME

Thanks for the help and insight Guys........ very welcome

This is the lobby as it was (for the record)....... so I had 5345 chips (9bb's)

Direwolf .......26502 1
loololollo ......16365 2
mattprawn ....10425 3
gez_bear ........9383 4
MattBates .......6980 5
MISTY4ME ......5345 6

I somehow managed to win a little holiday in Vegas tonight......OMG .... Wife's birthday today, so I won't be mentioning it just yet. As my friends know, she won't be going as she doesn't fly

So I may well need some help with cheapish flights and best ways to book everything please Jonathon.Starting from Newquay to Gatwick, Heathrow or Manc..... (or maybe even flights from Bristol)

MattBates

@hhyftrftdr for once you can be an expert in the poker clinic!

MISTY4ME

MattBates said:

@hhyftrftdr for once you can be an expert in the poker clinic!

mattprawn

Well done with the Vegas trip Misty, really chuffed for you.

SidV79

Well done @MISTY4ME, well pleased for you mate

MISTY4ME

mattprawn said:

Well done with the Vegas trip Misty, really chuffed for you.

SidV79 said:

Well done @MISTY4ME, well pleased for you mate

Thanks so much guys

......PP has found out which hasn't gone down very well at all, especially as it's her Birthday today

Essexphil

Have a great time
Take it down....

MISTY4ME

Essexphil said:

Have a great time
Take it down....

Cheers Phil...... hopefully you will make it too so we can recreate our photo..... but with the Trophy

madprof

MISTY4ME said:

Essexphil said:

Have a great time
Take it down....

Cheers Phil...... hopefully you will make it too so we can recreate our photo..... but with the Trophy

Need a wide angle lens if you wanna fit a trophy in as well....

MISTY4ME

I've posted this hand on TiKay's who won what thread, and it was good to see LitlGenral went on to win the Major last night and scoop the Final Table Jackpot, after I'd contributed to his stack early on (first 15 mins) in the Major.

I'd welcome any advice on this hand please.Should I be re-raising him pre- ?
I thought he must have an overpair too, and in the end put him on A-A or K-K, or a set 9-9 or 8-8.

I had had a bit of info off HANSON who had earlier had his A-A cracked by LitlGenral's J-8o,

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
LitlGenral	Small blind		20.00	20.00	10050.00
MeIina92	Big blind		40.00	60.00	8590.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q
Bigziggy75	Call		40.00	100.00	9480.00
Poker_Fail	Fold
MISTY4ME	Raise		160.00	260.00	10410.00
DK0105	Fold
LitlGenral	Raise		670.00	930.00	9380.00
MeIina92	Fold
Bigziggy75	Fold
MISTY4ME	Call		530.00	1460.00	9880.00
Flop
		8 9 6
LitlGenral	Bet		1110.00	2570.00	8270.00
MISTY4ME	Call		1110.00	3680.00	8770.00
Turn
		2
LitlGenral	Bet		2340.00	6020.00	5930.00
MISTY4ME	Call		2340.00	8360.00	6430.00
River
		6
LitlGenral	All-in		5930.00	14290.00	0.00
MISTY4ME	Fold
LitlGenral	Muck
LitlGenral	Win		8360.00		8360.00
LitlGenral	Return		5930.00	0.00	14290.00

MattBates

The info on the opponent part is slightly misleading as assuming its the hand I saw posted on the forum its a standard jam and Hanson happened to wake up with aces so I don't think it gives us much info.

It is kind of a strange hand as river has brought in a flush and paired the board yet opponent is blasting away on all streets and has gone with some pretty big sizings. If oppo flopped a set then it seems quite a large sizing to go with on the flop and if it was top set then I would of thought opponent maybe checking some flops. I think it could be a case of opponent having aces, possibly AKss and thinking if we had a flopped set they would know about it so they have gone for 3 streets of big value.

I think I am fine with folding river as I don't see what value hands we beat so we are hoping it is an aggro bluff early on.

MattBates

@FeelGroggy @chicknMelt Thoughts?

MISTY4ME

MattBates said:

The info on the opponent part is slightly misleading as assuming its the hand I saw posted on the forum its a standard jam and Hanson happened to wake up with aces so I don't think it gives us much info.

It is kind of a strange hand as river has brought in a flush and paired the board yet opponent is blasting away on all streets and has gone with some pretty big sizings. If oppo flopped a set then it seems quite a large sizing to go with on the flop and if it was top set then I would of thought opponent maybe checking some flops. I think it could be a case of opponent having aces, possibly AKss and thinking if we had a flopped set they would know about it so they have gone for 3 streets of big value.

I think I am fine with folding river as I don't see what value hands we beat so we are hoping it is an aggro bluff early on.

Thanks for your help Matt.... great insight

would be great to hear Groggy and Melty's thoughts, and anyone else's too please

FeelGroggy

Quite interesting hand as his most likely value hands feel rather thin such as AA, KK. If we do not think our opponent goes 3 streets with these hands, and is polarising himself much more, our hand is gonna do much better as a call than it normally would. It's also one of our best bluffcatchers, blocking some flush combo's he might have for value and also not blocking hands like JTs, or diamonds, which could constitute his most likely bluffs. If I was going to bluff-catch in this situation this might be the hand I'd do it with.

But without knowing anything about the opponent I think folding is fine. For someone to bluff here they need to be finding some pretty ambitious bluffs and I doubt that many would, especially on sky. A lot of potential bluffs many opponents would never 3bet pre-flop in the first place and ones that might like AsKx might not go so wild postflop.

I think realistically your probably just gonna lose to Aces that didn't really know what to do on river so just shoved and hoped you'd call worse. Not many players on sky chuck 250bb into pots on a bluff.

MISTY4ME

FeelGroggy said:

Quite interesting hand as his most likely value hands feel rather thin such as AA, KK. If we do not think our opponent goes 3 streets with these hands, and is polarising himself much more, our hand is gonna do much better as a call than it normally would. It's also one of our best bluffcatchers, blocking some flush combo's he might have for value and also not blocking hands like JTs, or diamonds, which could constitute his most likely bluffs. If I was going to bluff-catch in this situation this might be the hand I'd do it with.

But without knowing anything about the opponent I think folding is fine. For someone to bluff here they need to be finding some pretty ambitious bluffs and I doubt that many would, especially on sky. A lot of potential bluffs many opponents would never 3bet pre-flop in the first place and ones that might like AsKx might not go so wild postflop.

I think realistically your probably just gonna lose to Aces that didn't really know what to do on river so just shoved and hoped you'd call worse. Not many players on sky chuck 250bb into pots on a bluff.

Cheers Groggy...... so you think I should have called his shove, or did I do right thing folding?