Pretending to be "away"

Darlomike

I have just come out of a DYM £11 buy in, where two players pretended to be away on several occasions and waited until people had made their move then suddenly became active when it was their turn.

I feel this is totally wrong, but what do you all think ??

1st guy doing this went out 1st, but the 2nd guy went on to knock out the two other people fair enough i cashed, but he was away when the 2nd player to leave was short stacked and went all in to a guys bb who was "away".

so ultimately is this against the rules or just bad etiquette ??

loonytoons

neither

Seagull158

In Response to Pretending to be "away":

I have just come out of a DYM £11 buy in, where two players pretended to be away on several occasions and waited until people had made their move then suddenly became active when it was their turn. I feel this is totally wrong, but what do you all think ?? 1st guy doing this went out 1st, but the 2nd guy went on to knock out the two other people fair enough i cashed, but he was away when the 2nd player to leave was short stacked and went all in to a guys bb who was "away". so ultimately is this against the rules or just bad etiquette ??
Posted by Darlomike

If you read the thread "Players who sit out" you will see lots of discussion on this topic. Ths short answer is that any player has the right to sit out whenever he wants. However, I tend to agree that the particular practise you refer to, where a player appears to be away until it is his turn to bet and then suddenly becomes active, is a little bit shady. I don't know whether this practise is possible in live poker but i suspect it is.

Darlomike

i mean i understand that players have the right to sit out/ be away... but to sit out on purpose to catch the shortys etc, i just felt it was quite wrong to say the least.

you got the link to that thread ? because i'd like a read.

BlackFish3

if you think it's a good tactic then why dont you try using it yourself darlomike?
If it's not against the rules (it's not)... then you is if you find it advantageous.

Darlomike

ok, i found that post.

i understand that being away/sitting out is part of the game.

my point was the pretending to be away and then acting, i mean tbh it did kind of effect my play but was just me wanting to knock out the guy playing the hands like this etc.

one person, said well done to the guy doing the "pretending" for what i saw as pretending to catch the shortys all in and called to knock him out.

the guy who said "well done" was the player who he knocked out next.

I have nothing against players who sit out/ away status, but i do have a problem with people playing in the way to trick people into thinking they are away, when they are their waiting and trying to catch others.

Darlomike

I couldn't do something like that, i'd feel like i was being dishonest.

I'd feel it's like cheating and tbh i would say would mark me as dishonest and unhonorable player.

surely you can see what i mean ??

BlackFish3

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away":

I couldn't do something like that, i'd feel like i was being dishonest. I'd feel it's like cheating and tbh i would say would mark me as dishonest and unhonorable player. surely you can see what i mean ??
Posted by Darlomike

yea i get where your coming from... your too nice!!! lol... do you feel like that when you bluff someone?
Pretending to be away is exactly the same as bluffing someone.

Darlomike

yeh but bluffing at least you know the player knows you are there.

pretending to be away is like saying, i am not taking part in this hand so go ahead do what you want.... oh wait i have AA i am going take you all the way.

it's not that i am "too nice" i just feel playing fair and by fair i mean using fairplay and not rubbing people up the wrong way etc.

most people will accept a bluff raise, but how many would be happy about someone calling over an over when by all means are not meant to be there.

barnsie

if it tilts the oppo then obviously they will keep doing it

and rightly so

Seagull158

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away":

I couldn't do something like that, i'd feel like i was being dishonest. I'd feel it's like cheating and tbh i would say would mark me as dishonest and unhonorable player. surely you can see what i mean ??
Posted by Darlomike

I tend to agree. Like I said, it seems a bit dodgy to me but its considered to be a legitimate tactic and you have to deal with it. You have to assume that the player who is away can come back at any point in the hand.

BlackFish3

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away":

yeh but bluffing at least you know the player knows you are there. pretending to be away is like saying, i am not taking part in this hand so go ahead do what you want.... oh wait i have AA i am going take you all the way. it's not that i am "too nice" i just feel playing fair and by fair i mean using fairplay and not rubbing people up the wrong way etc. most people will accept a bluff raise, but how many would be happy about someone calling over an over when by all means are not meant to be there.
Posted by Darlomike

but bluffing is like saying i have a good hand so go ahead and fold... oh wait i have 72o and just took a chunk of your chips.

BlackFish3

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away":

yeh but bluffing at least you know the player knows you are there. pretending to be away is like saying, i am not taking part in this hand so go ahead do what you want.... oh wait i have AA i am going take you all the way. it's not that i am "too nice" i just feel playing fair and by fair i mean using fairplay and not rubbing people up the wrong way etc. most people will accept a bluff raise, but how many would be happy about someone calling over an over when by all means are not meant to be there.
Posted by Darlomike

they are 'meant' to be there... they have paid their money. Just min raise their blinds and they insta fold when it comes to them rather than going all in, just in case they come back.

philmenow

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away":

In Response to Pretending to be "away" : If you read the thread "Players who sit out" you will see lots of discussion on this topic. Ths short answer is that any player has the right to sit out whenever he wants. However, I tend to agree that the particular practise you refer to, where a player appears to be away until it is his turn to bet and then suddenly becomes active, is a little bit shady. I don't know whether this practise is possible in live poker but i suspect it is.
Posted by Seagull158

lol,i dont think this would be possible in a live scenario...doyle brunson is hiding in the toilets,helmuth raises,matusow re-raises,then brunson using his ESP sees he has AA ,comes 'running' back(bouncing a basketball to a marching band playing sweet georgia brown) and slam-dunks all his chips in the middle..err ,not.

Seagull158

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away":

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away" : lol,i dont think this would be possible in a live scenario...doyle brunson is hiding in the toilets,helmuth raises,matusow re-raises,then brunson using his ESP sees he has AA ,comes 'running' back(bouncing a basketball to a marching band playing sweet georgia brown) and slam-dunks all his chips in the middle..err ,not.
Posted by philmenow

But you can leave the table and then walk back in time for your bet. Same thing.

philmenow

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away":

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away" : But you can leave the table and then walk back in time for your bet. Same thing.
Posted by Seagull158

not really,ud have to leave the table every hand,then ud miss so much that ud never know who was doing what and why..

JONONZIE

 I have come across this practice as well and used to think it is bad etiquette but on reflection if a player is away you would quite happily raise with anything to steal it (is that etiquette), so I think it works both ways you will steal it if thay are away but then they are entitled to jump back in if they have a hand and perhaps resteal,
 poker has so much to offer it is fantastic and thats why we play

FINS

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away":

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away" : lol,i dont think this would be possible in a live scenario...doyle brunson is hiding in the toilets,helmuth raises,matusow re-raises,then brunson using his ESP sees he has AA ,comes 'running' back(bouncing a basketball to a marching band playing sweet georgia brown) and slam-dunks all his chips in the middle..err ,not.
Posted by philmenow

love this post ..v good  sweet georgia brown ha ha..u mad.

FINS

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away":

  I have come across this practice as well and used to think it is bad etiquette but on reflection if a player is away you would quite happily raise with anything to steal it (is that etiquette), so I think it works both ways you will steal it if thay are away but then they are entitled to jump back in if they have a hand and perhaps resteal,  poker has so much to offer it is fantastic and thats why we play
Posted by JONONZIE

You beat me to it.well said,totally agree..

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away":

In Response to Pretending to be "away" : If you read the thread "Players who sit out" you will see lots of discussion on this topic. Ths short answer is that any player has the right to sit out whenever he wants. However, I tend to agree that the particular practise you refer to, where a player appears to be away until it is his turn to bet and then suddenly becomes active, is a little bit shady. I don't know whether this practise is possible in live poker but i suspect it is.
Posted by Seagull158

Im a tournament director for a few live poker events, and in my events if your not at the table when the hands delt you cannot bet, this was a way i felt was fair on all the players and everyone knows the rules before standing up, now most people see their hand before they leave and stay seated to play, or return for the next deal .

philmenow

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away":

In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away" : Im a tournament director for a few live poker events, and in my events if your not at the table when the hands delt you cannot bet, this was a way i felt was fair on all the players and everyone knows the rules before standing up, now most people see their hand before they leave and stay seated to play, or return for the next deal .
Posted by The_Don90

and there are some online sites ,that if u r 'away' ur cards r instamukked..