I have come across this practice as well and used to think it is bad etiquette but on reflection if a player is away you would quite happily raise with anything to steal it (is that etiquette), so I think it works both ways you will steal it if thay are away but then they are entitled to jump back in if they have a hand and perhaps resteal, poker has so much to offer it is fantastic and thats why we play Posted by JONONZIE
I agree with this post. I have stolen blinds off players that are away, and sometimes that many that i havn't noticed they're back and got my comeuppance lol.
On a more serious note i get frozen out a lot due to the poor quality of my dongle lol. It says i am 'away' and i am left looking at my hole cards and cant bet, which if they are good i am frantically trying to get my connection back and sometimes if i manage it its a split second away from auto folding me and i catch it right in the nick of time. When this happens it is genuine and i wouldn't like other players to think that i was employing this kind of sneaky tactic.
If someone does it deliberately then i suppose its legal but imo diiiirty.
i agree with THE DON there, but i thought that would be standard practice in a live game. Maybe it should be. Unfortunately online there's no way to stop them doing it unless something simiar is written into the software. I'm sure i've seen this on other sites, where if you are away at the deal your cards are mucked automatically, and you can't sit back in until the hand is over
why pretend to be away, your on the site to play poker because you like to play poker, unless your one of the big hitters who actually make good money out of playing poker,the rest of us are probably just here cos we just like to play the game,if doubling up is so important to you go on the roulette tables and pick red or black, players sitting out in DYM games does actually spoil my enjoyment of the game im in whether i win or lose.
why pretend to be away, your on the site to play poker because you like to play poker, unless your one of the big hitters who actually make good money out of playing poker,the rest of us are probably just here cos we just like to play the game,if doubling up is so important to you go on the roulette tables and pick red or black, players sitting out in DYM games does actually spoil my enjoyment of the game im in whether i win or lose. Posted by lucy4
Don't let ti affect your game, People sit out for a number of reasons. Sometimes they happen to be getting a brew or fixing a sandwich when thy look over and see aces. back to the laptop they run and click back, just in time to see the shorty push all in and they call - In circumstances like these the players often then have to suffer at the hands of someone who deems this "Unfair" and abuses them in chat. It's quite simple really, if your happy to raise into people sitting out then be happy if they come back to call you.
Enjoy your game and allow others to play using whatever strategy the decide..... The trick is to play your own strategy to counteract whatever the other players on the tables are doing, The game is about adjustment so if you think someone is sitting out to trap the min raise don't shove, that way you can walk away if they come over the top of you
i understand the genuine aways like drinks/food/toilets etc,its the ones who are out from the start then keep popping up shoving all in then sitting out again,so you dont know when they are there or not, or the type of hands they play,like i said i play for the enjoyment of the game,if i was that desperate to only win money i would try and find a game i was good at,haha.
I hate this kind of angle shooting. I find that the best way to combat it is to just play your normal game. If you're raising to nick the blinds, just min-raise and fold to a re-pop.
To be honest though, the software needs a re-write so that the away hands are folded at the outset of the hand. Much fairer to everyone.
I hate this kind of angle shooting. I find that the best way to combat it is to just play your normal game. If you're raising to nick the blinds, just min-raise and fold to a re-pop. To be honest though, the software needs a re-write so that the away hands are folded at the outset of the hand. Much fairer to everyone. Posted by KnackersYa
People can play their cards anyway that they like and to call this "angle shooting" is stretching a point, I feel. As you say, the tactic of min-raising and folding if you get resistance is a simple and effective method of combating this style of play. If "away hands" were folded at the outset of each hand people would just click "back" after every hand and time would be lost in the game since the clock would be likely to run down when they fold instead of the "insta-fold" that you get when they are away from the table. In terms of game play there is no difference between people being "away" and only clicking "back" when they have a hand and a tight player being present at the table and folding the vast majority of his hands in the early stages of a game. This is deemed good strategy by many successful STT players. Since they are saving game time by not deliberating over each hand before folding many people would prefer these types of opponents.
In Response to Re: Pretending to be "away" : People can play their cards anyway that they like and to call this "angle shooting" is stretching a point, I feel. As you say, the tactic of min-raising and folding if you get resistance is a simple and effective method of combating this style of play. If "away hands" were folded at the outset of each hand people would just click "back" after every hand and time would be lost in the game since the clock would be likely to run down when they fold instead of the "insta-fold" that you get when they are away from the table. In terms of game play there is no difference between people being "away" and only clicking "back" when they have a hand and a tight player being present at the table and folding the vast majority of his hands in the early stages of a game. This is deemed good strategy by many successful STT players. Since they are saving game time by not deliberating over each hand before folding many people would prefer these types of opponents. Posted by MereNovice
I have just come out of a DYM £11 buy in, where two players pretended to be away on several occasions and waited until people had made their move then suddenly became active when it was their turn. I feel this is totally wrong, but what do you all think ?? 1st guy doing this went out 1st, but the 2nd guy went on to knock out the two other people fair enough i cashed, but he was away when the 2nd player to leave was short stacked and went all in to a guys bb who was "away". so ultimately is this against the rules or just bad etiquette ?? Posted by Darlomike
i think its a sneaky way to try and gain an advantage..but plenty of players use that tactic on this site..the softwear shouldent allow it .. if u are sat out you shouldent even be delt any cards in my view .and as for the end of the thread post.. shocking.....whos to say its the end of the thread like???? i no you do a lot for this site and the community tk and respect for that mate but diddent realise it was you who decides when any of the threads are ended. gl all
In Response to Pretending to be "away" : i think its a sneaky way to try and gain an advantage..but plenty of players use that tactic on this site..the softwear shouldent allow it .. if u are sat out you shouldent even be delt any cards in my view .and as for the end of the thread post.. shocking.....whos to say its the end of the thread like???? i no you do a lot for this site and the community tk and respect for that mate but diddent realise it was you who decides when any of the threads are ended. gl all Posted by zxghostxz
I think you took that wrong zxghostxz. I don't decide when threads should or should end, never have & never will. I part own & manage another large Poker Forum elsewhere which has hundreds of thousands of threads, & we've never closed a Thread yet, except for purposes of non-compliance via Moderators.
"End Thread" is an expression common to all Forums (Fora), but particularly contemporary poker forums, when someone makes a post that is so devestatingly accurate (IMO, I hasten to add) in it's simplicity, clarity, & articulation, that it demolishes all argument beyond debate in the minds of rational people, & it "kills" the debate stone-cold dead.
The street-expression for that is "/end thread".
I thought that a particularly apposite comment as to Mere Novices Post.
The thread remains open, but Mere has pretty much killed any debate by his strength of argument & concise logic. IMO.......
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On a more serious note i get frozen out a lot due to the poor quality of my dongle lol. It says i am 'away' and i am left looking at my hole cards and cant bet, which if they are good i am frantically trying to get my connection back and sometimes if i manage it its a split second away from auto folding me and i catch it right in the nick of time. When this happens it is genuine and i wouldn't like other players to think that i was employing this kind of sneaky tactic.
If someone does it deliberately then i suppose its legal but imo diiiirty.
To clarify what happens in Live Poker.
There are no univeral rules, but in almost ALL reputable establishments a players hand is deemed to be dead if.....
a) He is not seated when the hand is dealt.
b) If he leaves the table at any point during the hand.
Online, of course, this does not apply, & players can legitimately absent themselves & re-appear as they wish.
why pretend to be away, your on the site to play poker because you like to play poker, unless your one of the big hitters who actually make good money out of playing poker,the rest of us are probably just here cos we just like to play the game,if doubling up is so important to you go on the roulette tables and pick red or black, players sitting out in DYM games does actually spoil my enjoyment of the game im in whether i win or lose.
Enjoy your game and allow others to play using whatever strategy the decide..... The trick is to play your own strategy to counteract whatever the other players on the tables are doing, The game is about adjustment so if you think someone is sitting out to trap the min raise don't shove, that way you can walk away if they come over the top of you
i understand the genuine aways like drinks/food/toilets etc,its the ones who are out from the start then keep popping up shoving all in then sitting out again,so you dont know when they are there or not, or the type of hands they play,like i said i play for the enjoyment of the game,if i was that desperate to only win money i would try and find a game i was good at,haha.
To be honest though, the software needs a re-write so that the away hands are folded at the outset of the hand. Much fairer to everyone.
As you say, the tactic of min-raising and folding if you get resistance is a simple and effective method of combating this style of play.
If "away hands" were folded at the outset of each hand people would just click "back" after every hand and time would be lost in the game since the clock would be likely to run down when they fold instead of the "insta-fold" that you get when they are away from the table.
In terms of game play there is no difference between people being "away" and only clicking "back" when they have a hand and a tight player being present at the table and folding the vast majority of his hands in the early stages of a game. This is deemed good strategy by many successful STT players.
Since they are saving game time by not deliberating over each hand before folding many people would prefer these types of opponents.
Next case.
"End Thread" is an expression common to all Forums (Fora), but particularly contemporary poker forums, when someone makes a post that is so devestatingly accurate (IMO, I hasten to add) in it's simplicity, clarity, & articulation, that it demolishes all argument beyond debate in the minds of rational people, & it "kills" the debate stone-cold dead.
The street-expression for that is "/end thread".
I thought that a particularly apposite comment as to Mere Novices Post.
The thread remains open, but Mere has pretty much killed any debate by his strength of argument & concise logic. IMO.......