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Forum Comp Day 4, THURSDAY. Valencia v Arsenal Total Goals

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  • LmfaoAllinLmfaoAllin Member Posts: 1,213
    5 please
  • mumsiemumsie Member Posts: 8,003
    3 goals please.
  • coo1-umcoo1-um Member Posts: 2,947
    No goals
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,670

    That's it, gl all.



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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,670
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,670
    edited May 2019
    11th minute:

    Arsenal concede early, they really are all over the shop and need to sort themselves out if they are to make the final.

    Valencia 1 Arsenal 0

    5 entries are on "1 goal", so presumably they are happy. At the moment.....
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,670
    edited May 2019
    16 minutes:

    Completely against the run of play, Aubeyamang scores a beauty, and that's the vital away goal they so badly needed.

    Those who selected 0 or 1 goal are out of it, and now it's the turn of the 8 who selected 2 goals to give it the HOLDDDDDD.

    Valencia 1 Arsenal 1
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,670

    Half Time:

    Valencia 1 Arsenal 1
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,670

    55 minutes:

    Superb solo effort by Lacazette (assist BT Aubeyamang) and Arsenal lead 2-1.

    The 0, 1 and 2 goal entries are all toast, but a whopping 15 entrants are on 3 goals.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,670

    58 minutes:

    Well that never lasted long, Valencia score to make it 2-2 so another 15 selections are down the pan.

    Valencia 2 Arsenal 2
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,670

    68 minutes:

    Aubayamang scores another, so we are on 5 goals now.

    4 entrants selected 5 goals, but none selected 6 or more, so any more goals and we all lose.

    Valencia 2 Arsenal 3
  • K0BAYASHlK0BAYASHl Member Posts: 2,028
    No one wins haha
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,670

    89th minute:

    Aubamayang completes his hat trick.

    Valencia 2 Arsenal 4

    That means we have NO WINNERS tonight, so it's as you were.

  • mumsiemumsie Member Posts: 8,003
    edited May 2019
    Get in. no-one races ahead.

    OH, and WP Arsenal.
  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited May 2019
    Tikay10 said:

    mumsie said:

    This isn't my selection, more of a moan .5 goals pays more than 6 goals does it eh. Meh.

    Ha, yes.

    I'm a guessing that's because it is EXACTLY 5 goals, whereas "6+" embraces 6, 7, 8, 9 etc, so is deemed fractionally more probable.

    As a matter of interest, if anyone is sufficiently nerdy (& @EvilPingu might chime in helpfully here) "Total Goal" prices are presumably correlated to "Outrights" by some clever formula. Quite what else goes into the equation I don't know, but as a general rule I believe sub-markets all correlate to Outrights.

    For the total # of goals market - The probability of 3 goals being scored is just P(3-0) + P(2-1) + P(1-2) + P(0-3), where P(X) is the probability of an event occurring and X is just describing what that event is. So that works itself out once you've got a model for the correct score.

    Outrights - You can get that directly from the "Correct Score" market by just summing the probability of each correct score that gives the desired outcome. Thus, P(Draw) = P(0-0) + P(1-1) + P(2-2).... etc.

    You could get pretty much everything (Not like FGS stuff) just by having a model that works out the probability of each final score. That'll probably come from historical data with a bias towards more recent results to calculate expected goals for each team, if I had to guess.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,670

    ^^^^^

    @EvilPingu

    Great explanation, thank you.

    I had always thought it was the other way round, in that they started with the "Outright", which them formed the basis of all (well most) of the sub-markets.

    I'm sure you are correct, but I'll need to sit down in a darkened room for a while to think that through.
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