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Shame on them.

Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048
edited June 2019 in The Rail
Wonder what the Trump's, Farage's, & others of similar ilk think when they see these sort of situations, as they sit in their cosy homes with running water, flushing toilets, electricity, TV, Fridge & a car on the drive? I'm all right, Jack?


https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/26/politics/mexico-father-daughter-dead-rio-grande-wednesday/index.html


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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,445
    Tikay10 said:

    Wonder what the Trump's, Farage's, & others of similar ilk think when they see these sort of situations, as they sit in their cosy homes with running water, flushing toilets, electricity, TV, Fridge & a car on the drive? I'm all right, Jack?


    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/26/politics/mexico-father-daughter-dead-rio-grande-wednesday/index.html


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    Unfortunately, this is not confined to the USA.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,445
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,445
    HAYSIE said:



    Government backtracks on pledge to take child refugees




    Only 350 unaccompanied child refugees will be allowed to settle in the UK, thousands short of numbers previously indicated


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/only-350-syrian-refugee-children-will-be-allowed-to-settle-in-britain-thousands-less-than-promised-a7569691.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,445
    edited June 2019


    Humanity washed ashore: Outpouring of grief continues for Syrian toddler Aylan, three, after images of his dead body on a Turkish shoreline shocked the world
    Social media users have been creating poignant artworks based on the death of young Syrian refugee Aylan Kurdi
    The three-year-old's tiny body was pictured washed up on Turkey's Bodrum beach yesterday afternoon
    He drowned alongside his mother Rehan, 35, and brother Galip, five, trying to reach the Greek island of Kos
    Artist Sudarsan Pattnaik has made a sand sculpture of the image of Aylan lying face down which horrified the world


    Political: This image depicts Aylan rising into heaven along with the caption: 'I hope humanity finds a cure for visas'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3222829/Outpouring-grief-continues-images-Syrian-toddler-Aylan-Kurdi-s-dead-body-Turkey.html
  • tai-gartai-gar Member Posts: 2,695
    Complete and utter shame.
    Some people just have no compassion whatsoever.
    God help us when and if morons rule the world.
  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,868
    tai-gar said:

    Complete and utter shame.
    Some people just have no compassion whatsoever.
    God help us when and if morons rule the world.

    They already do
    It,s heartbreaking isn,t it
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,458
    As sad as it is, this has been going on for years.
    Trump proposed "wall" is to try and stop the human trafficking, drugs and gangs coming into America.
    The arrest rates for human trafficking are at an all time high under this administration.
    The Democrats have a vested interest in stopping the "wall" as the vast majority of "illegals" are their voters in the sanctuary cities in states like California.
    The cartels in Mexico are also encouraging and facilitating this, to the extent of selling children to adults as they get a better chance with a child.
    Thats the reason the headlines scream about children being seperated from their "parents"

    "Thomas Homan, former President Barack Obama's executive associate director of ICE, said that the "cages" many Democrats rail against President Donald Trump for were ushered in by the Obama administration"
    "If you want to call them cages, call them cages," he continued. "But if the left wants to call them cages, and the Democrats want to call them cages, then they have to accept the fact that they were built and funded in [fiscal year] 2015,"he pointed out, when Obama was president.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048

    "Drugs & gangs" are not exclusive to illegal immigrants, far from it. It's not about drugs & gangs, it's about "we don't like immigrants".

    Nature never intended that we need borders or walls.

    Allowing these folks in would, arguably, reduce our standard of living (due to increased social security costs etc) by a 10th or a hundredth of one per cent - & that ignores the benefit they bring. In GB, for example, the NHS & many service industries could not function without those from other countries.

    Is it too much to expect human beings to lend a helping hand to those less fortunate, even if it means we suffer very slightly?

    If your neighbour's home burnt down, & they needed a room in our house for a few nights, it would be an inconvenience to us, & might cost us a few bob in extra food etc. We'd still let them stay over until they got on their feet though. Of course we would.

    One day the boot might just be on the other foot & we might be the ones in desperate need of help, & to try & find a better life for our families.

    It's just human nature to want to help those less fortunate, & thank God for that. It does not seem normal - to me, anyway - to say "bu gger off, I don't care, I'm OK".

    Meanwhile, every year, thousands die trying to find a better life.

    It's all so sad & depressing. Society can & should do better.
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,458
    "Nature never intended that we need borders or walls".

    Walls, borders and boundaries are unforunately a human necessity.
    Without them there would be chaos.

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048
    VespaPX said:
    Yup, some of them are real nasty people. Just as some Brits & Americans are.

    Just because here are a few wrong 'uns amongst them does not mean we should deny all of them the chance of a better life.

    My view on these things won't ever change.


  • dragon1964dragon1964 Member Posts: 3,054
    VespaPX said:
    I always hope the links you provide won't be some fictional, right wing, racist bull***t.

    Everytime I am disappointed.
  • K0BAYASHlK0BAYASHl Member Posts: 2,028
    edited June 2019
    The story about the mum taking her child and filling pockets with stones and rucksack, tying his hands to her and then jumping in the water. So sad. Suicide note left said she tied hands because she didn't want him drifting away.

    Although the stories differ a little as one was suicide. Is still horrible to see/hear such stories :(
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,458

    VespaPX said:
    I always hope the links you provide won't be some fictional, right wing, racist bull***t.

    Everytime I am disappointed.
    You're welcome
    Thanks for clicking
  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,713
    As usual Im going to try to see this from both sides, and look at it from a UK perspective.

    Our Church is very actively involved with Arch which is a charity designed to help immigrants assimilate and integrate by starting the asylum process, finding them housing and getting them into the welfare system and hopefully eventually into employment.

    However, often it is clear that hazzardous journeys have been undertaken from "Safe Countries" and this does make you consider whether the real reason is to flee persecution and danger which is absolutely fine and the reason for allowing people to claim asylum, or whether some are simply seeking the welfare system and NHS.

    We dont judge, although sometimes its not easy. We simply help by showing compassion and loving these people in a practical way, food, clothing, money, access to a doctor etc.

    The rules say that asylum MUST be claimed in the first safe country and as we are an Island, that can never be the case with the current geopolitical scene.

    HOWEVER it is our duty to take a certain percentage of those seeking to claim such asylum.

    As for the endless misery of those seeking to flee the **** of Syria, we can only hope and pray that they manage to make it to comparative safety and perhaps quietly offer the thought that "There but for the grace of God"

    Finally, the media I feel are contemptible in their portrayal of this child ffs the poor lad had precious little dignity in life and absolutely none in death. I know lets print photos of little children found dead in stairwells or alleyways in Britain. We could argue its exposing the horror and deficiencies in the Social services, that should push circulation figures up.

    Sorry but shock tactics by the press are commonplace and perhaps it speaks well of us a species that for many we are still horrified and touched but desensitization is a worry and it gets closer with every passing horror.

    My greatest fear is that one day we as a people just shrug and turn the page.


    Yours in sadness, also in hope

    Mark



  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 8,122
    An absolutely abhorrent picture and situation,whether it should've been published is another debate.My concern is that,yes it's brought the situation of the Mexican/American border into the mainstream,but what about the atrocities happening each and every day that do not get mainstream media coverage.Thousands of children in Africa are dying every day from a lack of food,hundreds of young girls are being raped/abused in the slums of India daily,to name just a couple of ongoing atrocities,but where are their voices,I don't see an international outcry regarding those. To question "Trump/Farage/and others of similar ilk" seems to me like a 'cheap shot', does anyone actually believe that the aforementioned took any pleasure out of seeing that picture? Whichever way your politics lay,they should not compromise the basic human right of life/safety/ wherever that child is in the world. Open your eyes to see exactly what is going on in this day and age.
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,461
    tai-gar said:

    Complete and utter shame.
    Some people just have no compassion whatsoever.
    God help us when and if morons rule the world.

    Unfortunately more than one of the worlds is....
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,445
    edited July 2019
    We are selfish.

    We can blame politicians, but we elect them.

    We appear more concerned about tax cuts than helping other people.

    We have lived with no borders within the EU, for many years without chaos.

    Many leave voters favoured stopping immigration.

    It is impossible not to feel compassion for those that feature in these horrible events, yet few people will be sending off a few quid of their own money to help starving children, or others facing hardship.

    The fact that a number of UK councils adopted a policy of helping the homeless, by offering them a one way train ticket to take their homelessness elsewhere, just about sums us up.

    Nothing that is being discussed on this thread will feature in either of the Tory leadership candidates campaigns.

    Politicians take notice of things that we decide are priorities.

    We can blame politicians, but we could individually do a bit more to help.

    Shame on us.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048
    HAYSIE said:

    We are selfish.

    We can blame politicians, but we elect them.

    We appear more concerned about tax cuts than helping other people.

    We have lived with no borders within the EU, for many years without chaos.

    Many leave voters favoured stopping immigration.

    It is impossible not to feel compassion for those that feature in these horrible events, yet few people will be sending off a few quid of their own money to help starving children, or others facing hardship.

    The fact that a number of UK councils adopted a policy of helping the homeless, by offering them a one way train ticket to take their homelessness elsewhere, just about sums us up.

    Nothing that is being discussed on this thread will feature in either of the Tory leadership candidates campaigns.

    Politicians take notice of things that we decide are priorities.

    We can blame politicians, but we could individually do a bit more to help.

    Shame on us.

    Especially the bolded parts.

    There is a growing imbalance between the wealthy countries & the poor countries, & we need to address that. Denying people who, by the lottery of where they were born have become disadvantaged, is not acceptable. I believe today's youth are very caring, & will bring pressure to bear on Governments soon. Very few young people seem to be racist either, quite the opposite.

    What's very surprising (to me) is that it has become socially acceptable to admit "we don't want immigrants from war-torn or famine-hit countries". Folks even say as much on this Forum.

    Someone needs to take a lead on this. We need politicians who, instead of trying to curry favour, win votes & line their own pockets (see Farage etc), actually genuinely CARE about all people, & not just those who are of British descent. It's not about Great Britain, or "us", it's about everyone.

    It's all so sad, though in due course I think it will work out fine. There'll be some pain first, but the young generation are a good bunch & will help us get it sorted.
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