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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    We are selfish.

    We can blame politicians, but we elect them.

    We appear more concerned about tax cuts than helping other people.

    We have lived with no borders within the EU, for many years without chaos.

    Many leave voters favoured stopping immigration.

    It is impossible not to feel compassion for those that feature in these horrible events, yet few people will be sending off a few quid of their own money to help starving children, or others facing hardship.

    The fact that a number of UK councils adopted a policy of helping the homeless, by offering them a one way train ticket to take their homelessness elsewhere, just about sums us up.

    Nothing that is being discussed on this thread will feature in either of the Tory leadership candidates campaigns.

    Politicians take notice of things that we decide are priorities.

    We can blame politicians, but we could individually do a bit more to help.

    Shame on us.

    Especially the bolded parts.

    There is a growing imbalance between the wealthy countries & the poor countries, & we need to address that. Denying people who, by the lottery of where they were born have become disadvantaged, is not acceptable. I believe today's youth are very caring, & will bring pressure to bear on Governments soon. Very few young people seem to be racist either, quite the opposite.

    What's very surprising (to me) is that it has become socially acceptable to admit "we don't want immigrants from war-torn or famine-hit countries". Folks even say as much on this Forum.

    Someone needs to take a lead on this. We need politicians who, instead of trying to curry favour, win votes & line their own pockets (see Farage etc), actually genuinely CARE about all people, & not just those who are of British descent. It's not about Great Britain, or "us", it's about everyone.

    It's all so sad, though in due course I think it will work out fine. There'll be some pain first, but the young generation are a good bunch & will help us get it sorted.
    Fortunately, I believe our younger generation seem less likely to have the old, we are Great Britain, and we won the war arrogance, of older generations, that think that we still have an Empire, and appear more empathetic to the plight of others, and the future of the planet.
    This is in complete contrast to the electorate that will select our next PM, ie the Tory party, where the average age of a member is 57.
    To put this in perspective, if half your membership were 30 years old, and the other half 90, the average age would be 60.
    Why would it make sense to ignore our young people, and allow the future of the country to be decided by people that obviously have very little future.

    We will not move forward while this continues.
  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
    Have to disagree Haysie, Just because you pass a certain age doesnt make your opinions, your politics or your ability to govern less meaningful than the young generation.
    Or maybe you think that at 55 we should all automatically be put into a home because only the young can deliver a world worth living in.

    Thats the same young who want to change every rule unless it fits their own narrow parameters, cant decide on their own sexual orientation, are allergic to many food groups, believe that laying down your weapons means others wont attack you, have a million and one great ideas without a clue about how to pay for them, cant hold a conversation for more than 5 minutes without looking at a phone and whos main ambition seems to be getting famous via social media.

    Nobody should be eligible for a career in politics until they have life experience.
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,933
    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    We are selfish.

    We can blame politicians, but we elect them.

    We appear more concerned about tax cuts than helping other people.

    We have lived with no borders within the EU, for many years without chaos.

    Many leave voters favoured stopping immigration.

    It is impossible not to feel compassion for those that feature in these horrible events, yet few people will be sending off a few quid of their own money to help starving children, or others facing hardship.

    The fact that a number of UK councils adopted a policy of helping the homeless, by offering them a one way train ticket to take their homelessness elsewhere, just about sums us up.

    Nothing that is being discussed on this thread will feature in either of the Tory leadership candidates campaigns.

    Politicians take notice of things that we decide are priorities.

    We can blame politicians, but we could individually do a bit more to help.

    Shame on us.

    Especially the bolded parts.

    There is a growing imbalance between the wealthy countries & the poor countries, & we need to address that. Denying people who, by the lottery of where they were born have become disadvantaged, is not acceptable. I believe today's youth are very caring, & will bring pressure to bear on Governments soon. Very few young people seem to be racist either, quite the opposite.

    What's very surprising (to me) is that it has become socially acceptable to admit "we don't want immigrants from war-torn or famine-hit countries". Folks even say as much on this Forum.

    Someone needs to take a lead on this. We need politicians who, instead of trying to curry favour, win votes & line their own pockets (see Farage etc), actually genuinely CARE about all people, & not just those who are of British descent. It's not about Great Britain, or "us", it's about everyone.

    It's all so sad, though in due course I think it will work out fine. There'll be some pain first, but the young generation are a good bunch & will help us get it sorted.
    Fortunately, I believe our younger generation seem less likely to have the old, we are Great Britain, and we won the war arrogance, of older generations, that think that we still have an Empire, and appear more empathetic to the plight of others, and the future of the planet.
    This is in complete contrast to the electorate that will select our next PM, ie the Tory party, where the average age of a member is 57.
    To put this in perspective, if half your membership were 30 years old, and the other half 90, the average age would be 60.
    Why would it make sense to ignore our young people, and allow the future of the country to be decided by people that obviously have very little future.

    We will not move forward while this continues.


    Without those older generations who may have very little future left, your future would've been very different indeed.


  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    edited July 2019

    Have to disagree Haysie, Just because you pass a certain age doesnt make your opinions, your politics or your ability to govern less meaningful than the young generation.


    Disagree at your leisure. I was merely pointing out that young people may well have a completely different view of the long term future, than people in their 90s. The Government have just committed themselves to achieve climate change targets before 2050. It is logical to assume that these targets will be of less concern to those in their 90s than young people.

    The electorate responsible for choosing our next PM is not only very small, and very old, 70% of them live in the South of England, and 97% white. Therefore not necessarily that democratic.




    Or maybe you think that at 55 we should all automatically be put into a home because only the young can deliver a world worth living in.


    Not really. Nor am I particularly in favour of euthanising all very old people. However, I do think that young people may care more about the long term future than very old people, for obvious reasons.

    Thats the same young who want to change every rule unless it fits their own narrow parameters, cant decide on their own sexual orientation, are allergic to many food groups, believe that laying down your weapons means others wont attack you, have a million and one great ideas without a clue about how to pay for them, cant hold a conversation for more than 5 minutes without looking at a phone and whos main ambition seems to be getting famous via social media.


    Much of this will apply to people of all ages.

    Nobody should be eligible for a career in politics until they have life experience.


    How many 18 year olds ever get elected as MPs?

    How many MPs do you know of that have not worked for a living prior to entering Parliament?



    Pensioner fined £600 after telling black woman 'when Brexit comes you will be gone'
    'I was born in this country and I have lived here all my life,' says victim




    A pensioner who told a black woman “when Brexit comes you will be gone” has been fined £600.
    John Keogh also admitted calling the woman a “f***ing n*****” during his tirade at a bookmakers’ in south London.
    The 74-year-old initially denied being in Peckham High Street’s branch of Coral but pleaded guilty to a racially-aggravated public order offence on Monday.



    Prosecutors said he “unleashed a torrent of racist abuse” because he was angered by the woman placing his £200 winnings on the counter, rather than in his hand.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-hate-crime-black-woman-gone-london-pensioner-a8983321.html






    Pensioner, 72, who was obsessed with people parking across his driveway is jailed for six years after he stabbed motorist with hunting knife
    Frederick Day attacked Brandon Luther in village of Stoke St Gregory, Somerset
    Day was angry with people repeatedly parking outside his home in Church Close
    Believed Mr Luther's car was parked across driveway on an evening in January
    Using a knife which he skinned rabbits with, he attacked Mr Luther, leaving him with 9cm wound in his side



    Frederick Day, 72, plunged a hunting knife into a neighbour's friend because he had parked his car outside his home in the village of Stoke St Gregory, Somerset


    Brandon Luther, 22, was left with a nine centimetre deep stab wound in his side. Above: Church Close, the cul-de-sac in the quiet village of Stoke St Gregory, Somerset, where Mr Day lived

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7201229/Pensioner-72-obsessed-people-parking-driveway-stabbed-motorist-22-hunting-knife.html


  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    lucy4 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    We are selfish.

    We can blame politicians, but we elect them.

    We appear more concerned about tax cuts than helping other people.

    We have lived with no borders within the EU, for many years without chaos.

    Many leave voters favoured stopping immigration.

    It is impossible not to feel compassion for those that feature in these horrible events, yet few people will be sending off a few quid of their own money to help starving children, or others facing hardship.

    The fact that a number of UK councils adopted a policy of helping the homeless, by offering them a one way train ticket to take their homelessness elsewhere, just about sums us up.

    Nothing that is being discussed on this thread will feature in either of the Tory leadership candidates campaigns.

    Politicians take notice of things that we decide are priorities.

    We can blame politicians, but we could individually do a bit more to help.

    Shame on us.

    Especially the bolded parts.

    There is a growing imbalance between the wealthy countries & the poor countries, & we need to address that. Denying people who, by the lottery of where they were born have become disadvantaged, is not acceptable. I believe today's youth are very caring, & will bring pressure to bear on Governments soon. Very few young people seem to be racist either, quite the opposite.

    What's very surprising (to me) is that it has become socially acceptable to admit "we don't want immigrants from war-torn or famine-hit countries". Folks even say as much on this Forum.

    Someone needs to take a lead on this. We need politicians who, instead of trying to curry favour, win votes & line their own pockets (see Farage etc), actually genuinely CARE about all people, & not just those who are of British descent. It's not about Great Britain, or "us", it's about everyone.

    It's all so sad, though in due course I think it will work out fine. There'll be some pain first, but the young generation are a good bunch & will help us get it sorted.
    Fortunately, I believe our younger generation seem less likely to have the old, we are Great Britain, and we won the war arrogance, of older generations, that think that we still have an Empire, and appear more empathetic to the plight of others, and the future of the planet.
    This is in complete contrast to the electorate that will select our next PM, ie the Tory party, where the average age of a member is 57.
    To put this in perspective, if half your membership were 30 years old, and the other half 90, the average age would be 60.
    Why would it make sense to ignore our young people, and allow the future of the country to be decided by people that obviously have very little future.

    We will not move forward while this continues.


    Without those older generations who may have very little future left, your future would've been very different indeed.


    A very cheap irrelevant shot.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    edited July 2019
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576

    "Pensioner fined £600 after telling black woman 'when Brexit comes you will be gone'"

    Good grief.

    Whatever are we coming to?

  • tai-gartai-gar Member Posts: 2,688
    I
    Tikay10 said:


    "Pensioner fined £600 after telling black woman 'when Brexit comes you will be gone'"

    Good grief.

    Whatever are we coming to?

    Indoctrinated into "Farageism" unfortunately. Misguided patriotism to say the least.
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,933
    HAYSIE said:

    lucy4 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    We are selfish.

    We can blame politicians, but we elect them.

    We appear more concerned about tax cuts than helping other people.

    We have lived with no borders within the EU, for many years without chaos.

    Many leave voters favoured stopping immigration.

    It is impossible not to feel compassion for those that feature in these horrible events, yet few people will be sending off a few quid of their own money to help starving children, or others facing hardship.

    The fact that a number of UK councils adopted a policy of helping the homeless, by offering them a one way train ticket to take their homelessness elsewhere, just about sums us up.

    Nothing that is being discussed on this thread will feature in either of the Tory leadership candidates campaigns.

    Politicians take notice of things that we decide are priorities.

    We can blame politicians, but we could individually do a bit more to help.

    Shame on us.

    Especially the bolded parts.

    There is a growing imbalance between the wealthy countries & the poor countries, & we need to address that. Denying people who, by the lottery of where they were born have become disadvantaged, is not acceptable. I believe today's youth are very caring, & will bring pressure to bear on Governments soon. Very few young people seem to be racist either, quite the opposite.

    What's very surprising (to me) is that it has become socially acceptable to admit "we don't want immigrants from war-torn or famine-hit countries". Folks even say as much on this Forum.

    Someone needs to take a lead on this. We need politicians who, instead of trying to curry favour, win votes & line their own pockets (see Farage etc), actually genuinely CARE about all people, & not just those who are of British descent. It's not about Great Britain, or "us", it's about everyone.

    It's all so sad, though in due course I think it will work out fine. There'll be some pain first, but the young generation are a good bunch & will help us get it sorted.
    Fortunately, I believe our younger generation seem less likely to have the old, we are Great Britain, and we won the war arrogance, of older generations, that think that we still have an Empire, and appear more empathetic to the plight of others, and the future of the planet.
    This is in complete contrast to the electorate that will select our next PM, ie the Tory party, where the average age of a member is 57.
    To put this in perspective, if half your membership were 30 years old, and the other half 90, the average age would be 60.
    Why would it make sense to ignore our young people, and allow the future of the country to be decided by people that obviously have very little future.

    We will not move forward while this continues.


    Without those older generations who may have very little future left, your future would've been very different indeed.


    A very cheap irrelevant shot.
    No cheap shot there also very relevant in response to the thoughts and words written by yourself regarding the older generation.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    lucy4 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    lucy4 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    We are selfish.

    We can blame politicians, but we elect them.

    We appear more concerned about tax cuts than helping other people.

    We have lived with no borders within the EU, for many years without chaos.

    Many leave voters favoured stopping immigration.

    It is impossible not to feel compassion for those that feature in these horrible events, yet few people will be sending off a few quid of their own money to help starving children, or others facing hardship.

    The fact that a number of UK councils adopted a policy of helping the homeless, by offering them a one way train ticket to take their homelessness elsewhere, just about sums us up.

    Nothing that is being discussed on this thread will feature in either of the Tory leadership candidates campaigns.

    Politicians take notice of things that we decide are priorities.

    We can blame politicians, but we could individually do a bit more to help.

    Shame on us.

    Especially the bolded parts.

    There is a growing imbalance between the wealthy countries & the poor countries, & we need to address that. Denying people who, by the lottery of where they were born have become disadvantaged, is not acceptable. I believe today's youth are very caring, & will bring pressure to bear on Governments soon. Very few young people seem to be racist either, quite the opposite.

    What's very surprising (to me) is that it has become socially acceptable to admit "we don't want immigrants from war-torn or famine-hit countries". Folks even say as much on this Forum.

    Someone needs to take a lead on this. We need politicians who, instead of trying to curry favour, win votes & line their own pockets (see Farage etc), actually genuinely CARE about all people, & not just those who are of British descent. It's not about Great Britain, or "us", it's about everyone.

    It's all so sad, though in due course I think it will work out fine. There'll be some pain first, but the young generation are a good bunch & will help us get it sorted.
    Fortunately, I believe our younger generation seem less likely to have the old, we are Great Britain, and we won the war arrogance, of older generations, that think that we still have an Empire, and appear more empathetic to the plight of others, and the future of the planet.
    This is in complete contrast to the electorate that will select our next PM, ie the Tory party, where the average age of a member is 57.
    To put this in perspective, if half your membership were 30 years old, and the other half 90, the average age would be 60.
    Why would it make sense to ignore our young people, and allow the future of the country to be decided by people that obviously have very little future.

    We will not move forward while this continues.


    Without those older generations who may have very little future left, your future would've been very different indeed.


    A very cheap irrelevant shot.
    No cheap shot there also very relevant in response to the thoughts and words written by yourself regarding the older generation.
    Did you actually read the comments?
  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,830
    It's not about being old or young for that matter it's about being good and competent at governing this country
    Blair and Cameron were young when in office and look at what those pair of eegits led us to.
    Just get someone in to sort this $hit out who can get things sorted
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    stokefc said:

    It's not about being old or young for that matter it's about being good and competent at governing this country
    Blair and Cameron were young when in office and look at what those pair of eegits led us to.
    Just get someone in to sort this $hit out who can get things sorted




    I was merely pointing out that our country is being influenced by old people who have less of a stake in the future.

    Our next Prime Minister will be chosen by 0.27% of the electorate, ie Tory Party members, who are mostly old.

    70% of them live in the South of England, 97% are white, and are therefore completely unrepresentative.

    Some people maintain that we are a democracy on this forum. Yet sometimes the facts don't support that.

    If you took the referendum as an example.

    75% of 18 to 24 year old voted to remain in the EU.

    Whereas oldies voted to leave.

    2,500,000 of the old leave voters have died since the referendum.

    1,500,000 young people have qualified to vote.

    1,500,000 EU immigrants that contribute taxes etc, weren't allowed to vote.

    The leave majority at the time was 1,400,000.

    Democracy in action.

    Old people decided to leave the EU, and will decide who our next PM is.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,771
    A very cheap irrelevant shot.

    I can see what you both mean, so want to try and find middle ground here.

    I'm never knocking people who were forced to fight in World War 2. A lot of heroes there.

    But that generation has gone. As an example, my late father was one of the youngest people in World War 2. When he died 3 years ago he was 92, and he was the only person in his Care Home (nearly 100 people) who had served in the War.

    The next generation seem to want to inherit the glory without the sacrifice. Take this year's BGT winner. Not knocking the guy. But he didn't fight in WW2-he wasn't old enough. Anyone think he was the most talented person there? (Ignore the sob story)

    One generation gave everything. The next one benefitted, but have a sense of entitlement that no other has. That was the generation that had Right to Buy, low house prices, Final Salary pensions and a host of benefits that will never be given to the young.

    And yet still feel hard done by if they don't get a free TV licence regardless of ability to pay. And deny the vote to 16 year olds about the future. And don't get me started on Care Home payments and Inheritance Tax avoidance...
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    edited July 2019
    Essexphil said:

    A very cheap irrelevant shot.

    I can see what you both mean, so want to try and find middle ground here.

    I'm never knocking people who were forced to fight in World War 2. A lot of heroes there.

    But that generation has gone. As an example, my late father was one of the youngest people in World War 2. When he died 3 years ago he was 92, and he was the only person in his Care Home (nearly 100 people) who had served in the War.

    The next generation seem to want to inherit the glory without the sacrifice. Take this year's BGT winner. Not knocking the guy. But he didn't fight in WW2-he wasn't old enough. Anyone think he was the most talented person there? (Ignore the sob story)

    One generation gave everything. The next one benefitted, but have a sense of entitlement that no other has. That was the generation that had Right to Buy, low house prices, Final Salary pensions and a host of benefits that will never be given to the young.

    And yet still feel hard done by if they don't get a free TV licence regardless of ability to pay. And deny the vote to 16 year olds about the future. And don't get me started on Care Home payments and Inheritance Tax avoidance...

    I have huge respect for the bravery shown by those that served in WW2.

    However, this respect doesn't extend to me thinking that decisions that influence the long term future of the country should be made by groups of very old people.

    To assume that my comments were in any way referring to those that served in WW2, is undoubtedly a cheap shot.

    You may just as well assume that when I mentioned young people, I was merely referring to junior doctors, that work about 80 hours per week, for little pay, and are a fine example of our younger generation.

    Not all old people served in WW2, and I think that it is reasonable to assume that those that are very old, may be less interested in the long term future than young people.

    I am reminded of a cartoon that I saw years ago, which depicted a group of very old people, standing at a graveside during a funeral, where one of them expresses his opinion that "It hardly seems worth going home".

    I think it is reasonable to make comments regarding old people without questioning their bravery or sacrifice during WW2, and those that would automatically link the two things, are taking a very cheap shot.

    Neither are all young people employed as junior doctors.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Model, 23, 'murdered her two young daughters within 18 days of each other because they got in the way of her lifestyle offering sex to men for cash'
    Louise Porton, 23, is accused of killing her two young daughters last year
    Three-year-old Lexi Draper was found dead in the early hours of January 15 2018
    16-month old Scarlett Vaughan passed away 18 days later after going to hospital
    Porton had made a life for herself which involved having sex with men for cash
    On one occasion she said:'If you put enough in we can meet and I will f*** you'
    She had also searched for whether or not you can die if you 'block a nose and forcibly close mouth with tape


    A court heard how Scarlett Vaughan (right) and Lexi Draper (left) had become a 'burden' to their mother


    Louise Porton (pictured above) is accused of killing three-year-old Lexi Draper and 16-month old Scarlett Vaughan, by obstructing their airways


    Porton was also heard 'laughing' and 'Facetiming with a man' while arranging Lexi's burial at a funeral home.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7205055/Model-murdered-two-young-daughters-18-days-got-way.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    edited July 2019
    PICTURED: Thousands of migrants held in 'dangerously overcrowded' cages as some are forced to sleep on the ground with foil blankets and others are only given wet wipes to stay clean, as uncovered by Homeland Security inspectors
    Photos taken by Homeland Security inspectors show migrants being held in dangerously overcrowded cells in border holding facilities in Texas
    Conditions were uncovered last month when Department of Homeland Security inspectors visited multiple holding facilities in Rio Grande Valley
    Inspectors reported serious overcrowding at the facilities and prolonged detention of unaccompanied children, families and single adults
    Children and adults had no access to showers and some adults were being held in standing room only conditions
    The report was released a day after a group of Democratic congressmen, including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, visited a facility in Clint, Texas
    A nationwide day of protests by rights groups is planned to target members of the U.S. Congress about migrant conditions



























    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7206077/Photos-migrants-held-overcrowded-cages.html
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