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Level 1 of WSOP Main, & fella moves all-in blind. What range we calling with?

Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,092
edited July 2019 in Poker Chat
This actually happened over night in Vegas.

In fact the guy was drunk, pulled his trousers down, got his todger out, & threw a shoe on the table too.

None of which is relevant in our decision.

He had NOT looked at his cards.

We have 60,000 chips are playing 2 hour levels, & everyone else has folded, so we close the action.

Our calling range is? And explain why we have selected this range.
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  • mumsiemumsie Member Posts: 8,174
    I'm calling with this lot.
    Reason being, we are ahead of his ATC range.


    And I believe it's still too nitty , should be wider.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,092

    @mumsie

    I don't pretend for a moment to know the correct answer, but you'd be happy to take an almost certain flip with a low pair?

    Even if you thought you were an "average" player in this field?

    What if you were a really good player, with a perceived edge against the field - you still calling with a low pair?
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  • mumsiemumsie Member Posts: 8,174
    Yes, I see.
    Not as simple as i first thought.

    Do I really want to risk my tournament life on a LVL 1 flip ?

    Its a marathon - not a sprint.
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  • mumsiemumsie Member Posts: 8,174
    Found it.

    https://youtu.be/npncwzBdjs4
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,092

    He was ejected from The Rio, but 2 hours later turned up at Luxor......


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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,869
    edited July 2019
    Got to try and forget the size of the buy-in, though it is difficult.

    For me, it is ATo/A9s plus, KQ, AA-66, poss 55.

    For me, that is right. That said, yesterday at the GUKPT, I called 3 all-ins from shorter stacks.

    KK lost to AK, AJs lost to 55, AT lost to A5.

    Sometimes I really hate this game-not getting my todger out though :)
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  • FeelGroggyFeelGroggy Member Posts: 843
    edited July 2019
    Think it depends on your edge on the field; the bigger you perceive it to be the tighter you want to call. Don't think you could really justify folding hands like KTs, KJo, A9o A7s QJs 66 to a blind shove regardless of your edge. I would probably call slightly wider than that. Your perceived edge on the field needs to be bigger than your hands equity vs a2c to fold basically.
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  • tai-gartai-gar Member Posts: 2,703
    Is it Trump when he left his hair in his hotel room?
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,869
    The biggest edge you have here is that the guy is likely to do exactly the same next hand.

    The other important factor is how big an edge you need to gamble $10,000. For me, it is about 60-40%. That is right-for me. Not to say that figure is in any way right, except for me.
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  • BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
    Even though it's a blind shove I wouldn't be calling off all my chips in the first level of the ME when it's a super slow and deep structure. Even if you have AK you could have 40% chance of busting. Not sure doubling you're stack this early has a huge effect on the rest of you're tournament. I'm sure some top pros fold QQ and KK here (maybe I'm wrong not sure).
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  • MynaFrettMynaFrett Member Posts: 788
    Hmmm, interesting one. I find myself slightly disagreeing with @FeelGroggy here (for the first time ever :D ) and favouring @BigHawk89 approach slightly more.
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  • miniman88miniman88 Member Posts: 134
    BigHawk89 said:

    Even though it's a blind shove I wouldn't be calling off all my chips in the first level of the ME when it's a super slow and deep structure. Even if you have AK you could have 40% chance of busting. Not sure doubling you're stack this early has a huge effect on the rest of you're tournament. I'm sure some top pros fold QQ and KK here (maybe I'm wrong not sure).

    The pros gonna wait for a bigger edge than kings vs a blind shove?
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  • BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
    Like I said maybe I was wrong. The fact that it's day one In the first level makes a huge difference, you can't win the tournament on day 1 of a 7 day event.

    But I certainly wouldn't be calling as wide as some people have said. Calling off you're tournament and life with so many BBs with 55, A9os etc...
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  • kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,602
    I just read the result of the shove and the guy who was shoved on had a super duper tough decision. You could not put him in more of a 'ohhh ffs' spot.
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  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,095
    What was the result?
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  • FeelGroggyFeelGroggy Member Posts: 843
    I guess it depends on how much the novelty of playing the main event is worth to you. In a tournament where your invariably gonna have to win some all ins/ flips to go deep seems like a good situation to get your chips in with say 65% equity on average. Also makes it a little more likely you'll have a stack come the bubble for some nice abuse!
    Also being completely results orientated my suggested range would have done rather nicely vs his exact hand ;) Think A9o was doing the worst with 64%. I agree about the top pro's should call tighter than I suggested but even considering folding say QQ is taking it way too far.
    I mean I have heard that the main event is soft for but how much of an edge are you really going to have to justify folding pre with 65% equity in a $10,000 buy in tourney? I certainly don't think I'd have an edge big enough to fold anyway.
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  • kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,602
    The report I read said the blind shover had x3. I don't know why they haven't got both cards. The caller had 55.... and lost.

    Not sure what happened after but the blind shover got dq'd. Idk if the hand stood or not.
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  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 8,208
    Tikay10 said:


    He was ejected from The Rio, but 2 hours later turned up at Luxor......


    In the 'Land Of The Shoot First Ask Questions Later'. He's certainly riding his luck in both cards and life.
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  • FCHDFCHD Member Posts: 3,178
    FeelGroggy said:

    Also makes it a little more likely you'll have a stack come the bubble for some nice abuse!

    As the bubble won't be until early on Day 4, by which time the average stack will be something like 6x starting stack, I don't think this will be much of a consideration yet.
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  • Itsover4uItsover4u Member Posts: 1,538
    mumsie said:

    I'm calling with this lot.
    Reason being, we are ahead of his ATC range.


    And I believe it's still too nitty , should be wider.

    This is fine if we are in the big blind if there are players behind its still miles to loose
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